What D1 teams can someone who runs the mile in 4:19 minutes join?

Without knowing the details behind a runner's HS career, someone's PRs cannot be taken at face value.

Legitimate is not a play on words. Mark Nenow wrestled until his senior year so he was in no way a legitimate 9:20 2-miler.

Due to physical maturity, HS runners will a big improvement during 1 year and it's usually from their Sophomore to Junior years. A guy at my HS improved from 9:44 to 8:58 during that year. After that year, a jump to a new level is not going to happen.

Again, out of all the guys in my section that ran 4:20 during my four years in HS, not a single one had success past the JC level and only the 4:15 guys were competitive at Sac State or UC Davis.

Scholar Expert wrote:

100 would say no. And maybe more depending on where they are with roster spots. A coach would be very concerned about a kid who is that far down the road in the process and now decides that he wants to run. Anyone who is all in would want their college and running mapped out by January.

Again that’s just not my experience. First time I contacted my current coach was may of my senior year and he was very interested. Cleared it with the head coach and let me know I was on the team in june

not a duck wrote:

Now you’re going to say I made that up even though I literally copy and pasted that from my gmail.

Just a heads up, I don't believe that reply was to you but to the post above yours that mentioned the 8th best times per event

I'm not sure what that post was meant to convey. That every kid in the Big 10 should just be cut if they haven't run those times? No coach actually believes the only way to contribute to a team is to score a point at conference. Sure that's a big part of it, but it's asinine to ignore that someone may not be able to "contribute" their first couple of years because they need to develop. They can still be a great teammate, a good leader, helpful to have in workouts, score in cross, make it on a relay team, etc.

Real data is always useful for every discussion. It is obvious that many people don't have access to Milesplit and don't know how to use TFRRs. Seeing the top 8 in the Big10 is an eye opener. I think some people look at conference results and think those numbers are representative of what people are really running because high school meets rarely are tactical. Of course people improve and may not score until senior year. But the potential needs to be there. Nobody is saying a freshman running 14:30 should be cut if potential is there for improvement. I can tell you that some Big 10 teams do cut several freshmen every year and it is a shock to the athletes.

No coach is recruiting an athlete that they believe will never score a point. They may take a flyer thinking that there is only a 1% chance but they will never take an athlete who is going to be a good teammate and leader if they think there is 0% chance of ever scoring.

Stanovsek was not allowed on the team at Oregon even though he was on campus running on the club team and had run 4:10 in high school. Which team are you referring to? Betting it wasn't a P5.

Michigan Dude wrote:

How about a name? We can search through the top 20 teams top 4 runners which would only take 15 minutes but would be easier for you to give him the credit.

I went back to be completely accurate and I realized I was a little bit off, but not much.

Sean Laidlaw from Georgetown.

HS: 2:01/4:21/9:29

NCAA D1 champs this year he was 164th. Ran #4 for Georgetown in that race and they finished 22nd as a team.

At those levels I would agree, there aren't (many) national caliber programs that are just looking to add another body if they can't do something.

I've never been at a P5 school, but I've been at 3 Division I schools that have ranged from Top-5 in the Region to having less than 12 people when I arrived. Across all of them and most of the teams in each of those 3 conferences, teams were always told that they needed to have a bigger roster to drive enrollment. That included the track team with 95 athletes and over half a dozen All-Americans on it.

I think, by and large, most teams in the nation do not have roster limits but are instead encouraged to field bigger teams. At the highest level where the only goal is to win I know that's incredibly rare. But since the original question was "what D1 teams can someone who runs the mile in 4:19 minutes join?" I want to mention that the 80% of teams that aren't even thinking about a national championship berth probably face more pressure to add bodies than limit someone that was clearly good in high school.

This has been a good thread, but it's definitely morphing a little bit into just talking about the peak of the mountain that someone can't run at, but hasn't said as much explicitly on where they can run at. If this kid does somehow get rejected by every other team, then either I'm in trouble with how many 4:18 kids every other team is apparently going to sign, or I hope I get an email from a solid 4:19 kid.

Your post contains a good point for the OP to consider. Does he want to train hard for 4 years as a "body"

I’ve said it already. I ran at a big 10 school. Not going to say which for anonymity purposes.

Look. The point is there are PLENTY d1 schools you can run at with a 4:19. Almost every school would be in contact with you have give you a realistic picture of what you’d be on their team.

Betting you that if a senior with 1:58/4:20/9:30/16:00 Prs sends something to every P5 coach right now, he receives no response from 2/3. Even of the 1/3, a few will tell him that they have no roster spots. 10% will have enough interest to ask him if he wants an official visit. Some will tell him to keep them informed of their plans as track season progresses. Not one will take the chance and say they have a spot for him if he is ready to commit without talking to him.

I decided to look at the best team in the country since you said that they routinely take guys who have run 4:20. Their HS PRs do not confirm your claim. It was interesting to find out that Nur is probably the one guy who fits that bill but now is one of the fastest. Betting the coach watched him in HS and reached out to him. I don't know. I guess there is a chance that he was a random emailer and in an off year. 90% of the guys were national class. I was shocked to see how many sub 9 type guys are lost on their JV squad. Imagine showing up as a 4:10 guy or 8:59 or 14:50 and never wearing a varsity uniform.

Barnhill 4:05

Black 9:13/14:55

Bosley 4:07/8:49

Easton 4:12/8:57

Espinoza 4:17/15:09

Prosser 4:18/8:59

Gorgas 4:15/9:02

Grotenhuis 4:08/9:03

Hasty 4:00/8:55

Human 4:22/15:34

Kusche 1:47/4:10

Marquez 1:52/4:19

Merchant 8:59

Nur 15:30

Nyoak 4:10/9:10

Prince 4:18/9:10

Quax 4:02/9:00

Raff 8:51/14:50

Scherer 9:12/14:45

Shea 4:19/9:19

Young 8:40/13:50

P5 Programs that would respond to a 4:20/9:30 walk-on. SEC is the only conference that could turn a blind eye -

Big 12

Kansas (26:26 team avg.)

Baylor (26:41 team avg.)

Texas Tech (26:47 team avg.)

Oklahoma (27:13 team avg.)

TCU (team avg. 27:43 at Big 12 Conference)

Pac 12

Arizona

ACC

Boston College (26:24 team avg.)

Clemson (26:33 team avg.)

Miami (team avg. 27:33 at ACC Conference)

Big Ten

Nebraska

Ohio State

Iowa

Rutgers (team avg. 27:35 Big TEN 5.2 mi avg.)

I can tell you that some of those programs do not respond. You are incorrectly that the slower a program is the more likely that they will respond when it may actually be the opposite.

Michigan Dude wrote:

I can tell you that some of those programs do not respond. You are incorrectly that the slower a program is the more likely that they will respond when it may actually be the opposite.

Yeah to some extent those programs have accepted that they need to suck in XC (and it isnt like a lot of them are better inTF). In theory outside of the top half dozen programs, every coach should be willing to take a 4:20 guy and look for 20% that become 4:05/13:50 guys when you up the mileage from 50->80 and the like. But if the school says you can only have 25 athletes between xc and TF, you might not take them.. note this is even tougher for the senior to be. You have to guess where the 450->430->420 kid will be after 1 more year. Maybe they drop a 410. Maybe they stagnant. Is that 930 a result of running a half dozen races or was it just one race where they won by 10s?

A lot of DI schools will bring in sub 4:20 and many will offer a small amount of aid for a freshmen with those times.

Depending on situation, P5 may or may not be interested, and if they were it would be as a walk on.

Love this thread… I think everyone is kinda saying the same thing though. At the end of the day, yes there are a lot places that will take a 4.20 kid the issue is that a lot of places won’t/can’t take a 4.20 kid at any specific time. So if you are a 4.20 athlete you will surely be ignored/not persuaded by a lot of places and if there are only a couple schools that you are interested in you may or may not find your way onto a team.

If your goal is to get on a team and run d1 you can certainly do that and if you have good grades you may even have some pretty decent choices.

But NO not every and perhaps not even the majority (more than 50%) of schools will be interested in you. Should most schools be interested, that is debatable and dependent on the specific kid.

Dumb statement. All of these teams will take a 4:20 miler as a walk on. If you don't believe me, go do research. Overestimating the majority of P5 programs.

ACC

BC

Clemson

FSU

Louisville

Miami

Pitt

Virginia Tech

Virginia

Duke

BIG 12

Baylor

Kansas

Kstate

TCU

Texas Tech

Oklahoma

Texas

SEC

LSU

Miss St

Missouri

A&M

Alabama

Florida

Georgia

Auburn

Kentucky

Tennessee

Vanderbilt

PAC 12

Arizona

Arizona State

UCLA

California

Washington St

BIG 10

Illinois

Iowa

Indiana

MSU

Minnesota

Nebraska

OSU

Penn State

Rutgers

No. The majority of those typically won't.

Yea they will. Dunno why you’re so bitter, maybe you or your kid missed out on running in college but literally everyone in this thread knows you’re wrong. Just quit it at this point.