Top 10 all time lists for 5k and 10k for both female and male are dominated by college age runners. And this notion that Africans lie about their age is silly. There is nothing to gain and many that are supposedly much older seem to hang around for long periods of time.
So why is it that there’s uncertainly around his age?
If you follow the sport closely, this grey area regarding age is nothing new. Haile Gebrselassie, the last great ageless marathoner, was famously about five years older than what was on his passport. The common explanation is that East African countries haven’t traditionally kept very good birth records, particularly in the remote Rift Valley region, where Kipchoge was born, and certainly not 35ish years ago. When it came time to gain a passport, or some other form of official proof of age in order to compete internationally (usually at the junior level), athletes would provide a guesstimate of their age. This led to athletes and coaches taking advantage of this loophole in order to enter mature athletes into junior competitions, improving their chances of winning and moving on to a successful career afterward.
astro wrote:
the 800 is not exactly a high profile event.
Compared to the 3k?...
Then where are all the teenagers running in the Olympic trials 4 countries that have accurate birthdate records, in events like the 5K and 10K
When was the last time a woman ran in the American Olympic trials at the distances of 5K or 10K at the age of 16? Like Willis did...
Willis, whitaker, mu, and about 10 other 16 to 18 year old girls have been among the best in America at the Sprints recently
Oh but what a shock this is literally never happened in the 5K or the 10K, in the history of American running, or British running or any country that has accurate birthday records
And oh wow what a shock Mo Farah didn't run a time that would make him world-class until he was 23.
Got me there. Really the only high profile running event outside of the pro marathons is the 100m.
At the US Olympic trials the best that a female college student ever did in the 5000m was 5th. Henes had the second best performance by a college student in the events history. I recall that US college runners did make top three in the 3000m, but have not looked in a while.
Wait. I was thinking it was Plumer but she already graduated in 1988. Might be wrong.
Jake from the Olympics wrote:
Betting that when Tuohy retires from running after college, people will gush about how smart she is to pursue a real career instead of running. Any hiccup in her development will always be either due to a phantom injury or to pursue her education. She is the best high school XC runner of all time. She is a very good college runner. But the odds of her progressing to the point of earning a living is very slim. It is amazing how little attention Mu gets in comparison to Tuohy even though they were in the same class. Mu will have a faster lifetime best in the 1500 than Tuohy.
How do you know? People were saying she was done a year or two ago, but after a great XC season + her 8:54 people still doubt she's going to progress more. Would you have said the same about Cranny, or Schweizer or Sisson? I'm sure they are earning a living wage. Not every teenage phenom ends up not progressing. She's clearly made gains since HS so why can't we celebrate it for now instead of setting arbitrary limits just because you want your personal, negative assumption to be right?
Also Mu is a 4/8 runner, this is a distance running website.
That's news to everyone. There are multiple threads about football and covid and food and music and the economy on the front page.
cramister wrote:
astro wrote:
the 800 is not exactly a high profile event.
Compared to the 3k?...
I'm not sure, but I think it has been 4 months since Mu (or Hodgkinson) ran a race, no? What is there to discuss right now? Or did I miss them running a XC race?
FastTuohy wrote:
I'm not sure, but I think it has been 4 months since Mu (or Hodgkinson) ran a race, no? What is there to discuss right now? Or did I miss them running a XC race?
Since we've veered off topic from the 3k to the 880, just might as well add that Juliette Whitaker recently ran a xc race and qualified for EastBay Nationals . . . but now I've really taken this thread off the rails .:-)
To get back on point re:Tuohy, this little piece of trivia may have been posted earlier but is worth stating again: Katelyn is now the "absolute" U-20 3k US record holder, as Ceci Hopp still holds the US outdoor U-20 record at 8:57.27 from 1982.
Jake from the Olympics wrote:
Betting that when Tuohy retires from running after college, people will gush about how smart she is to pursue a real career instead of running. Any hiccup in her development will always be either due to a phantom injury or to pursue her education. She is the best high school XC runner of all time. She is a very good college runner. But the odds of her progressing to the point of earning a living is very slim. It is amazing how little attention Mu gets in comparison to Tuohy even though they were in the same class. Mu will have a faster lifetime best in the 1500 than Tuohy.
then again, the reason why some people hate tuohy is because she gets attention lol OK
shes one of the greatest hs distance runners of all time, came back from a knee surgery and now won ncaa xc team championship and back to breaking records, and running faster times than her hs times which pretty much most of the people here said she could not
letsrun simply is a more distance runner website than sprint or mid, go to moo instagram, she gets attention there, maybe that would make you feel better
Bower Man wrote:
FastTuohy wrote:
I'm not sure, but I think it has been 4 months since Mu (or Hodgkinson) ran a race, no? What is there to discuss right now? Or did I miss them running a XC race?
Since we've veered off topic from the 3k to the 880, just might as well add that Juliette Whitaker recently ran a xc race and qualified for EastBay Nationals . . . but now I've really taken this thread off the rails .:-)
well at least you're talking about someone who's been racing.. other guy is asking attention for his fave runner that hasn't run for months
Jake from the Olympics wrote:
A few of you are like the parent on your kid's cross country team that overloads everyone's email and facebook and twitter gloating how great their child is every time they run a PR even though they are about the 7th best kid on the team.
katelyn tuohy is the second-best runner on her team for 5k xc, best runner on her team for 3k and is the best u20 runner in America for 3k
im not her parent, but a fangirl, i dont ask and beg other people to pay attention to my fave runner tho
you want to talk about your fave runner then go make your own thread, don't come here crying
cramister wrote:
astro wrote:
the 800 is not exactly a high profile event.
Compared to the 3k?...
yes, a lot more run and relate to 3k than 800
The usual malcontents aside, think about how much she was struggling her senior year. I think she ran in the 9:30s at the Dr. Sanders, and never better than the 9:20s the rest of the season. It was obviously injury related. Last year she ran in the 9:10s working her way back. Records aside, to blast through the 9 minute barrier and set such a big PR was pretty impressive.
Touhy barely held off her teammate who was basically a nobody in HS. It's cool she broke the record and improved, but she - she is 6 seconds faster than hs running on a faster track with better competition with better training. Losing to several people. I'm not saying she isn't amazing, I just saying these constant threads are weird, as she isn't winning and isn't number one on her team and she is a sophomore so she has adjusted to college.
Yeah she set a U20 record and PR'ed by 7 seconds off her high school record time, but....Lol.
There is one solitary thread on the subject. What is bizarre is how it seems to really bother a handful of people who feel compelled to repeatedly whine about it and who keep bumping the thread up.
Tuohy will break records, and win National Championships in college. She is an amazing athlete. And she's just getting back into shape. The coach is still keeping her mileage down. So once she can get back 2 full intensity and do all the training she wants she will keep breaking records. I could see her going 20 seconds faster than this in 3 years.
i dont want to be that person but id say it anyways
nico young isnt the best on his team too, hes also losing to other people, he also has threads on this site just like katelyn tuohy, whenever they are at meets, a lot of people pay attention to them, why arent you on those threads commenting this same comment??
the thing about katelyn is that shes quite popular, many running fans wants to keep updated on her races, she had a knee surgery last year and has worked hard to get back in top shape after not running and limited training for months, now that shes back and is now running faster than she ever did in hs and shattering school and national records again, why is it weird to talk about it?
i mean, you got people on this site talking about thorvaldson's 9:30 33k debut, why do you find it weird if we talk about katelyn's 8:54 ???