Jacob Kiplimo is an Absolute Phenomenon : 57:31 completely solo in Lisbon

This.

Is true denial.

Lol you don't need to be in denial or even be naive to think that its pointless to shout doping at every athlete, as long as no-one has any specific details so we might as well talk about running, which is much more interesting than to talk about doping.

El Ugandiano wrote:

We are very proud of one of our greatest sons today. Uganda has shown the way forward for distance running again!

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CWiVR6Crwyd/?utm_medium=copy_link

Thanks for the clip. What part of the race was this shot?

Anyway, this story deserves to be featured more prominently. Any way you slice or dice it, this is a legendary run.

Amen to that! For the people on here obsessed about doping in athletes they should head over to the site LetsDope.com lol. For those purely interested in running stay here!

Gold! Lol

NORman12 wrote:

Lol you don't need to be in denial or even be naive to think that its pointless to shout doping at every athlete, as long as no-one has any specific details so we might as well talk about running, which is much more interesting than to talk about doping.

Unfortunately, one can't be confidently separated from the other now. As a rule of thumb, I would say the faster the time the more likely it is doped.

GreatDane01 wrote:

Amen to that! For the people on here obsessed about doping in athletes they should head over to the site LetsDope.com lol. For those purely interested in running stay here!

Do you think that if you ignore it doping isn't present?

Passant wrote:

I want really to see the face of people that were claiming that Katir will be caught for doping in/after the Olympic Games.

6 months have past now.

https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/10/345272/moroccan-jawad-abdelmoula-wins-gold-medal-in-2021-world-triathlon-cup

Still waiting to hear some new about British prodigies..

We all said that either a/ Katir was going to get busted or b/ his performances would start going backwards (ie. off the juice).

B is clearly what happened.

Katir's progression was similar to Aouita's in 1983. Aouita was the favorite going in to Helsinki, after almost being unheard of before that season (and a similar age to Katir). He flopped to some extent by 'only' winning bronze in a depleted field, but that can be explained to a large part due to a bad tactical race. Perhaps Aouita cut back on the roids fearing his first taste of any serious anti-testing at Helsinki. But it was nothing compared to the flop of Katir.

That was just a completely implausible trajectory in 2021. He jogs a 7:27 3000m in the wind and rain of a chilly Gateshead, then trails home 8th in 13:08 in the 5000m Olympic final in Tokyo. Then his excusers say his best event was really the 1500m, in which he cruised a 3;28 and destroyed Jakob in Monaco. Then post Tokyo, he can barely break 3:35 and trails home almost last in the Ivo Van Damme meeting. His excusers say it was because he 'kicked too early' - lol. The next week, he trails home in 5th in an average DL field in Zurich and his excusers say he was running without his favorite shoes or some rubbish.

He will probably either go further backwards in 2022 or get popped.

That triathlete looks juiced to the Moroccan gills, btw.

Nice breakdown. I wish the brojos would get Katir (either speaking in English or through a translator) on the pod to comment in depth on his results, training, favorite shoes, etc. Might be telling.

Let me preface this by saying that I'm not too invested in wether or not a given athlete is doping or not; usually we simply will never know for certain so I prefer to just focus on the performances. This does seem like an accurate assessment of Katir's surprising season this year, but just to add some more context:

Jan 29 7:35 indoors

Feb 9 3:36 indoors

May 12 3:33

May 23 13:08

June 10 12:50

June 26 14:08 taking 2nd?

July 9 3:28

Followed by the 13:06 8th place finish in Tokyo (Aug 6) and poor showings of 3:34 and 3:32 on Sep 3 and Sep 9.

This trajectory is odd, and does seem coherent with an 'off the sauce' narrative. However, I wonder if it isn't much more likely that the descent in performance from july 9 to Aug 6 isn't better explained by more conventional factors like inadequate final weeks training, botched peak for the season, or simply a bad race day in August. I'm not an expert in physiology and banned substances; but do we really expect that someone on a robust enough doping schedule to run 12:50 and 3:28 would decline markedly in just 4-5 weeks ? I thought the consensus on most PED's (such as EPO) was that they primarily facilitated a superior training regime, and were not necessarily themselves acutely linked to race day improvement. Perhaps there is no such consensus, especially on these embittered boards, but at any rate, a decline in performance over just weeks seems surprising to me.

Kiplimo spoke to the portuguese media on monday and said that he made a 20k longrun a week before in 58' (in Uganda, at 2000m). That's crazy!

https://www.record.pt/modalidades/atletismo/detalhe/20-quilometros-em-58-minutos-em-altitude-o-brutal-treino-de-kiplimo-antes-do-recorde-de-lisboa

Amazing result.

Paris double!