Sub-elite men trying to race elite women at the end of a road race is the worst. (from David Monti @d9monti)

What is armchair qb David Monti's 5k PR?

T.J. Applebee wrote:

She's *** and if you ask her there might be multiple reasons why, from **** to the ** to **** at a university. Maybe blame ****. She tends to***t, and being addicted to **** surely enables that. She even *****

****it?

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No man wants to get chicked, and no woman respects a man who lets her beat him because he's woke.

Star wrote:

Alter Klocker wrote:

A race is a race.

It's not a race if you are listed in separate results.

So if I, a man, is nearing the finish line and there is a woman in front or beside me I'm not allowed to kick? Do I have to jog it in and then tell everyone later how "I could have gone faster if I wanted"??

NERunner0353 wrote:

Want to add, too, that I think the initial tweets were more/less about the last few seconds of a race & about proper etiquette. Nobody is telling sub-elite men not to race flat-out. It's about being aware of your surroundings & not breaking the tape (or one stepping or out-leaning) of a woman on their way to a NR, PB, life changing kind of mark.

The tape breaking awareness I can get on board with, but I think it is asking a lot to be aware of some other person's PRs etc. , process how that affects the meaningfulness of their race versus yours, and then make a decision about whether or not you need to slow down or not, all while sucking wind in the last bit of a race.

Ultimately I think this is a race management issue.

As a woman, I say a race is a race. I don't want anyone to ease up or "let me beat them". I got outkicked for the OA win in a local 5k by a man. It was a really fun, exciting sprint to the finish.

As far as elites go, as long as the man isn't crossing the women's finish line (if they're separate) or interfering with her breaking the tape - Racing is Racing.

Sarah hall at London

What ever happened to gender equality? If a 2:38 potential male and a 2:38 female battle to the finish I see that as totally fine. Not every man is automatically capable of a 2:05 marathon.

runinthewind wrote:

As a woman, I say a race is a race. I don't want anyone to ease up or "let me beat them". I got outkicked for the OA win in a local 5k by a man. It was a really fun, exciting sprint to the finish.

As far as elites go, as long as the man isn't crossing the women's finish line (if they're separate) or interfering with her breaking the tape - Racing is Racing.

+1

Also a woman and I am not offended if a dude sprints past me at the finish line. It would be ridiculous if he slowed down just to let me cross first. Im trying my hardest and going all out so why should someone else not do the same just because they are the opposite sex? So stupid.

I mean dont break the women's only tape or something rude like that but other than that, fair game. People need to quite looking for reasons to be offended.

What's the etiquette if a 55 year old male is racing against an elite female near the finish, does he still have to pull up and defer to the woman? Or should she back off and let him finish first, since he's running a superior age-graded time? Or what if it's a 40 year old male, BUT he's currently running all six marathon majors in a matter of weeks? What if you finish near Joanie, are there extra special rules since she's beloved?

If a man breaks the tape for the first women, that’s on the event organizers.

I’m kicking at the finish regardless of who is near me.

It is a race isn't it?

Is it wrong to race to the finish.

It's an odd thing to call out.

I never understood that. The only time I think it is bad is when a guy muscles past a woman right at the line because he has little man syndrome, but these are not sub-elite but rather mid-packers doing that.....almost all the sub-elite athletes that I know don't have a problem being beaten by a top-level woman at all.

I often hear, "damn, she is fast." As a compliment from guys being beaten.

Perhaps Monti saw something else going on.....

Two problems here. 2:37 for a dude is not sub elite. Also 2:37 for a women is not elite. You have a former world-class woman who is now sub-elite kicking against a solid local guy. Nothing to see here. From your title I assumed we'd see a 2:20 guy kicking against the women's winner or at least someone in the top 10.

I may have a unique point of view on this, but I will echo what others have said.

Some years ago as a 40 ish “ male” runner I ran the last half mile of the Cascade Runoff with a local Portland woman who was one of the top finishers. We occasionally trained together. As we approached the finish line she started kicking and I did too. There were separate finish lines and separate results and neither of us knew who “won” between us, but both us gave it our best.

Last weekend, as an older “woman” (trans woman to be clear) I raced a guy to the line in a local race in England. He crossed the line before me, but he started 4 seconds in front of me and the race used chip timing so officially I beat him.

A race is a race.

Joanna

First of all, that dude wasn't trying to race her to the line. He was just maintaining her pace and they finished at the same time without either trying to kick. Second, a race is a race. You run your best and try to beat everyone you can.

Wet Coast wrote:

It's an odd thing to call out.

I never understood that. The only time I think it is bad is when a guy muscles past a woman right at the line because he has little man syndrome, but these are not sub-elite but rather mid-packers doing that.....almost all the sub-elite athletes that I know don't have a problem being beaten by a top-level woman at all.

I often hear, "damn, she is fast." As a compliment from guys being beaten.

Perhaps Monti saw something else going on.....

Why is giving it your all to pass the person next to you a little man syndrome thing?

What does muscle pasting someone in running even mean? Do you mean physically touching, because that is just never allowed period.

without reading any of the replies, getting chicked even (1) fewer time in any race is always worth it

Try not to use her finishing chute if she's the female leader, but if necessary--- break that tape baby.

Just dont raise your hands in celebration in the chute is all I ask

Attn Wejo: Please delete and ban Rojo for thishttps://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10862317#10862406 The blatantly rank hypocrisy from Rojo here is flat-out disgusting. If the above private gossip from 50 years ago about someone's personal life is acceptable as "locker room talk" or "things I talk about with my friends out on a run" then what isn't?

rojo wrote:

T.J. Applebee wrote:

She's *** and if you ask her there might be multiple reasons why, from **** to the ** to **** at a university. Maybe blame ****. She tends to***t, and being addicted to **** surely enables that. She even *****

****it?

1) This poster has been banned.

2) Keep posts on topic.

3) Please do not talk about people's personal lives unless you REALLY think it's critically related to the topic at hand. Keep threads on topic. Going off about something someone did 5 or 10 years ago that has nothing to do with thread is wrong. People are allowed to have personal lives that don't need to appear on the Internet.