Boy on daughters xc team

DorkyDinkles wrote:

coach wrote:

OP if you're confused imagine how the child must have felt growing up. I dont think she is competing on the girls team because it's easier to medal. Try to support every member of the team.

The child has a Y chromosome, ergo, is a MALE and a HE, not a she

LOL at Emphatically stating "facts" about an individual who is unknown to you and probably doesn't even actually exist. The rest of us can't even confirm that this person is real. You, on the other hand, know their genotype.

Bonkers wrote:

the media is corrupt wrote:

Need any more evidence the world has gone crazy? Adults going along with and actually encouraging this nonsense.

Poor misguided, confused and immature kids need some sane adults in their lives, but instead are led down this crazy path by stupid, woke, leftist morons.

The suicide rate for LGBTQ+ children is much higher than other children, largely due to the "sane adults" you speak of not treating them with empathy and acceptance. Listen, we can debate the sports thing and it's a legitimate argument with good points on both sides. But, from a societal standpoint, adults who support and accept trans youth for who they are are not the ones causing damage.

{N}ot the ones causing damage?

Forgive me for thinking that lobbying for public funding of "treatments" including an onslaught of opposite-sex hormones, suppressors of same-sex-hormones, cutting off breasts, penises, scrotums, testicles, etc., is more damaging than not caving into a belief system based almost only on the self-identification of deeply trouble people contrary to a body, ahem, of biological counter-evidence. But at least in the post above you didn't call the un-woke people "haters" or "bigots."

Regarding suicide rates: shouldn't these be broken into pre-op and post-op rates to see just how effective the "empathy" you speak of has been?

llort_vbo wrote:

Switching to serious mode for a bit.

There's a couple of different ways this could break in our country. It's hard not to imagine an apocalypse for women's sports given what we see as the trend. People with testicles are tearing up women's sports at every level.

Maybe though we will stop being so impressed with athletic feats and recognize that they shouldn't be worshiped.

At every level? Sure, middle school girl's XC had now been destroyed, but how many people with testicles competed in the women's division at the NCAA championships and the Olympic Trials?

The recent domination by intersex distance runners at the international level has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

NuMu wrote:

are you sure? wrote:

Is this individual actually a boy, or is that just what you are choosing to label them as?

Why even bother asking at this point? OP is clearly misgendering to prove their point.

To the OP: it takes a "special" type of person to talk smack about a 12 year old, you must feel very macho. Great example you are setting for your daughter.

No such thing as "misgendering" because "gender" is not a real thing. It's a made up social construct used by ideologues pushing an agenda. Too bad kids like the one in OP's example, get caught up in the politics and suffer from identity disturbances and confusion, which in turn hurts those around him. It's sad about all the girls who will miss out on medals this year because of weak, virtue signaling parents who cant provide enough rules and boundaries for their son to understand he's a boy. It's also sad that people like OP will be attacked by self-righteous morons like you who want to virtue signal at the expense of other people.

pavement88 wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Pretending that the OP's story is real, the girls in the race might not care. Does the OP's daughter appreciate the support or is he embarrassing her?

This x100000.

Have you talked to you daughter about what she thinks? Is there a chance the kid is friends with your daughter and the other runners on the team?

You don't know the kids story or homelife. A kid that age who you disagree with is still a child.

Talk to your kid and make sure your actions aren't going to come up to her therapist in 7 years.

Is any one interested in "teammate" perspective? Here is one...

I see the crux of your problem, you spoke with the "principle" when you should have actually spoken with the school's principal. Easy mistake to make in these confusing times, buddy.

manualf150 wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with that, unless they are running the same race/qualifier as the women then that's taboo in my books.

I've coached men and women together, let them run together, share workouts, etc. As far as racing it's generally not allowed -- or if it's a co-ed race, they are just calculated up on the computer and have different finisher per sex. We've done a lot of them. It actually is neat to see men and women racing together, and I seen some performance gains -- along with sometimes demotivation (but that's another topic).

I don't mind men and women racing together, but the results just need to be split up according to gender.

You're an IDIOT!

So you have the majority (if not all) of the boys up front and the girls behind them. The girls don't any of the spotlight, they just finish up, just like a road race?

Stupid "Woke" Sh^t!

Snowflake city, USA wrote:

12 year olds? Really? Who cares? Worry about your daughter, if she was in a real conference there would be girl's running 11:10 already.

IDIOT!

are you sure? wrote:

michimanx wrote:

In many states, a boy can decide he identifies as a girl and, regardless of his physiology, he can compete with and against girls in any sport? How long until a 6'9" boy is playing on the girls' basketball team?

Incorrect. There is no such thing as a boy who identifies as a girl. If you identify as a girl, you are a girl. Period.

IDIOT!

flyingfrog wrote:

Dad - relax, this is the USA's plan to counter the DSD athletes the other countries are throwing at us. It's a national grass roots program used to identify young runners who may consider identifying as female and boosting our chances at future Olympics.

+1

coachy wrote:

Who cares. It’s 8th grade. Focus on your daughter’s improvement rather than others.

IDIOT!

under a bridge wrote:

The OP's only other posting history is also complaining about trans women in sports. But everyone loves to believe and feed the troll about this issue with his "daughter".

Stay under the bridge.

IDIOT!

Biological males, biological females, and those that "identify" as something other than their biological birth sex, are not identical. No matter how "woke"certain people seem to want to appear, or what political party you belong to, they just are not the same from a performance standpoint.

I understand there are extremely rare intersex people that biologically don't fit any category. I also understand that transgender people go through a tremendous amount of pain and unfair treatment. But so do females who are forced to line up against male>female transgenders, and see their hard work and accomplishments stolen under the false pretense, that biological females and male>female transgenders are physiologically the same. They are not.

The only thing fair, in my opinion, is to have separate races for biological males, biological females, female>male transgenders and male>female transgenders. Trying to say that those four categories are on equal footing performance-wise, is a lie.

You are not saying unreasonable things, but none of what you said precludes a trans kid’s parents accepting them for what they are. You would do the same if you had a trans child, wouldn’t you? In the OP’s described scenario, I’m having a hard time blaming the “boy”’s parents without knowing much more. It’s difficult to know how best to steer your child’s thoughts if at all. If I thought my child was just wanting to change their gender and organs out of the blue with little other evidence of their being trans until teenage, I’d push back or at least try to identify if external factors like media and peer pressure might be causing it. Most of the difficult cases are intersex cases where decisions are not easy, and sometimes can cause irreparable damage physically and mentally, but parents can only go by what their kid says they feel, their best intentions for their kid’s well being, and what the doctors tell them. So blaming parents of trans kids doesn’t get us anywhere good.

As for parents of other kids in school, put yourself in the position of a trans kid’s parents and ask what kind of a school environment you’d want. I’d want the environment the OP describes. But, if I were the OP, I’d of course also understand that it might feel unfair to my daughter, but would nevertheless teach my daughter to err on the side of compassion towards her classmate, assuming that the other kid and his parents are not gaming the system, so like the OP, I’d want to know more and would probably take up the principal’s offer to discuss it in a PTA meeting.

In most school communities, kids and parents already know because communities are usually small, so the OP’s described scenario of not having any information about the “boy”’s condition or the parents sounds rather strange.

Lobbying etc. is different from parenting and local community, and is a political activity.

It seems like you're being sarcastic, but I'll still give it a go.

There are many, many cases of biological males playing girls sports across the us. I wasn't even thinking about the intersex athletes in T & F. I'd say that hs sports are relevant to this thread.

i really hate people who advise others to be compassionate when it runs in the face of their own interest.

No, you don't have to let the boy win the girl's races. f that.

Ok, I understand, but it's just middle school. Yes, it's not fair, but some girls on my middle school team were running in the 12s, but that's beside the point. Does this student practice with the team? Is anyone else confused? Like what's the dynamic?

potato_salad wrote:

i really hate people who advise others to be compassionate when it runs in the face of their own interest.

No, you don't have to let the boy win the girl's races. f that.

This, time to stop putting up with lemming Marxist wokisms. It’s perfectly fine to agree that these people who parrot nonsense from the academy about gender are lunatics. It’s nothing more than a religion of beliefs that they all have to adhere to so they can nod at each other and say “I too have a Dr. Seuss starbelly”

llort_vbo wrote:

It seems like you're being sarcastic, but I'll still give it a go.

There are many, many cases of biological males playing girls sports across the us. I wasn't even thinking about the intersex athletes in T & F. I'd say that hs sports are relevant to this thread.

The poster wasn't talking about participation and there is almost none anyway. This is what he said:

"People with testicles are tearing up women's sports at every level."

That is clearly a false statement.