Nick Willis reckons Cole Hocker is in 3:29 shape & the 1500 final was the best ever

xczvzxcv wrote:

Katir bla bla bla

The real story is that we were afraid of our stars chances with the existence of a new dominant

In fact, in this forum you accuse everyone of doping as long as you have a conflict of interest with his performances!

People have won double gold medals at age 32, I hope Katir will double for Spain in the next Olympic Games.

Soy What? wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Race baiting? Why is Katir accused of doping here and Hocker isn't, when he has made the bigger jump in a year?

20-year old U.S. distance runner v. 23-year old Moroccan/Spanish distance runner. Keep your obsession with race out of it.

I don't have an interest in race - despite a misplace accusation of "race-baiting" - because it was not I who started a thread accusing Katir of doping for his performance spikes. But any championship 1500 runner who improves by nearly 10 seconds in a year - as Hocker has - raises a very big doping flag.

I didn't see "red", as you put it - I simply pointed out that there was no questioning of Hocker's improvement when it has exceeded Katir's and yet Katir became the subject of a doping thread. As far as I am concerned, both athletes invite scepticism.

Inkotabulation wrote:

Soy What? wrote:

Agreed. Ironically, it was in Christchurch! (albeit 9 years before Nick was born)

I was there that day.

It really wasn't a great race, just a case of wondering if Bayi was going to last

The rest were just scrambling to catch him.

2 runners broke Ryun's wr with Bayi trying to destroy the field in an unprecedented display of front running and it wasn't a great race? I suppose it needed everybody to beat the record for you to be impressed.

I can't believe people are excusing these guys for not being fresh in the final! Back in the 80's all 3 rounds were on consecutive days. None of these rest days between rounds.

How tall is Josh Kerr anyway? I'd think Wheating is the biggest guy to break 4 minutes in the mile, not Kerr.

Deanouk wrote:

I can't believe people are excusing these guys for not being fresh in the final! Back in the 80's all 3 rounds were on consecutive days. None of these rest days between rounds.

Didn't Coe once advance with something like a 3:45 1500? I don't think anyone ever runs their fastest possible 1500 in an Olympic final, whether they run three races in 3 days or 5 days. It isn't "excusing" them to acknowledge the obvious effect of racing the best in the world on tired legs. It takes two or three full days of rest to recover to something close to 100% in the best of circumstances, unless you are hopped up on Epo or getting blood transfusions.

The Dirty Duck wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

I can't believe people are excusing these guys for not being fresh in the final! Back in the 80's all 3 rounds were on consecutive days. None of these rest days between rounds.

Didn't Coe once advance with something like a 3:45 1500? I don't think anyone ever runs their fastest possible 1500 in an Olympic final, whether they run three races in 3 days or 5 days. It isn't "excusing" them to acknowledge the obvious effect of racing the best in the world on tired legs. It takes two or three full days of rest to recover to something close to 100% in the best of circumstances, unless you are hopped up on Epo or getting blood transfusions.

Elliott set a wr in the Rome '60 final and Keino never ran faster than in the Mexico '68 final, despite having run the 10k, 5k and been in hospital. It isn't tired legs, it's tactics that make for a slower race.