Jakob Ingebrigtsen - THE MF GOAT -

About GOAT.

Magnus Carlsen has won the World Championship in chess three times and is not considered the Greatest.

It takes time and something special to achieve that.

Doping claims.

These people thrive from your responses. Leave them alone with their ludicrous statements.

Fantastic run.

Best 1500 m ever.

SprintTriathlon wrote:

Best 1500 m ever.

What? Not even close. But tremendous run.

The whole race was very predictable : Jacob and Tim smartly and predictably and fearlessly pushed the pace early and took the kick out of the kickers. There was no dobt they would do this and many other top runners should learn from it. Also not surprising that Jacob beat Tim since the Norwegian seemed laser focused on this race and Tim was not in his absolute top form.

Jacob is a true Prodigy but of course we have known that for a while. Amazing. Can he keep getting better or is this the peak?

Doping: all I know is that all of the people on here that claim that all Sprint times by the black runners are clearly doped and all the spectacular distance times and performances by the East Africans are clearly doped seem to sing a different tune when a white Runner beats those supposedly doped athletes and supposedly doped times. Suddenly it's completely believable for a 20 year old to run 328 and dominate the Olympics! But if it had been an East African to do it they would have said he is clearly 30 years old and clearly on every drug ever invented! Funny.

I think these folks have two choices: either say the same things about Jacob and call him a Doper or apologize to some of the East Africans they have slandered over the years. Not saying that they were all clean but a blanket accusation of doping on entire nations is certainly unfair and now we see that such times were/are not as unbelievable as they stated.

To be fair Magnus Carlsen is one of the chess players in history

bcun g wrote:

132193727 wrote:

Have you ever got a new world record and an olympic gold medal in the same race? If not, go do that and get back to us on how you might feel the adrenaline at the finish.

Oh, I forget you don’t get tired when you set WR. Got it - that explains it. Basic human physiology ceases to exist when you win a gold medal in an all-out 400 and 1500 because…adrenaline. Coach told ‘em “get really excited and your adrenaline levels will go up and you won’t get tired…at all!”

Be hilarious if wada started showing up to their houses every day.

Basic human phsysiology can more or less cease to exist for a short periode of time if the adrenaline level is sky high. Like when a mother suddenly is able to lift a car to save her child. Or if you get seriously hurt. Gives you a window to act where the mind shuts of the ability to feel pain. Cant be controlled tho ("Coach told ‘em “get really excited").

robertwee wrote:

To be fair Magnus Carlsen is one of the chess players in history

My point exactly. Kasparov is still considered better though.

Also. I got carried away by commentators saying it was the best 1500 run ever, but surely the world record run was better, but the number of runners under and just above 3.30 was fantastic.

Yup amazing athlete.

But please still don’t try to compare his career with the absolute GOAT middle distance runner is El G.

El G won 4 consecutive WC, broke WR Mile indoor, outdoor, 1500m indoor and outdoor and also 2000m.

Ran the second fastest 3000m, ran 12:50 5k in his first 5k. Beat the absolute GOAT distance runner (Bekele) in the Olympic final at his prime accomplishing 1500-5000 double against two of the best distance runners of all time at their prime.

Ran sub 3:30 in the 1500 more than 30 times, lost maybe 4-5 races in his entire career as a pro in the 1500m. So GOAT is simply out of reach for this talented kid. He might ended up running 3:26-3:25 who knows but El G with new shoes and new track surfaces probably could have run 3:23.

abcrunning wrote:

Yup amazing athlete.

But please still don’t try to compare his career with the absolute GOAT middle distance runner is El G.

El G won 4 consecutive WC, broke WR Mile indoor, outdoor, 1500m indoor and outdoor and also 2000m.

Ran the second fastest 3000m, ran 12:50 5k in his first 5k. Beat the absolute GOAT distance runner (Bekele) in the Olympic final at his prime accomplishing 1500-5000 double against two of the best distance runners of all time at their prime.

Ran sub 3:30 in the 1500 more than 30 times, lost maybe 4-5 races in his entire career as a pro in the 1500m. So GOAT is simply out of reach for this talented kid. He might ended up running 3:26-3:25 who knows but El G with new shoes and new track surfaces probably could have run 3:23.

El g is in my opinion to most obvious doper of all time for the men.

Hes the male version of flojo. Someone that was so obviously doping it just accepted fact.

Aaleby wrote:Was it EPO as well back then?

Nope. Probably creatine.

Why are there so many anti-scandinavian/nordic racists on this site? Frig off. Jakob is clean until proven otherwise, which will never happen because he's clean.

If he is or not fortunately doesn't depend on your "opinion".

Bork wrote:

Why are there so many anti-scandinavian/nordic racists on this site? Frig off. Jakob is clean until proven otherwise, which will never happen because he's clean.

Henrik isn't. He's suspicious. Take your holier than thou gobbsheit and shove it.

Jeg gir faen i det wrote:

Bork wrote:

Why are there so many anti-scandinavian/nordic racists on this site? Frig off. Jakob is clean until proven otherwise, which will never happen because he's clean.

Henrik isn't. He's suspicious. Take your holier than thou gobbsheit and shove it.

Only as evidenced by modified or completely fabricated documents from supposed Russian hackers

Totally agreed with this.

Throughout the history of LetsRun, there have been two troubling views on East Africans. One view is that the East Africans (often referred to by nationality only, without regard for individuals) are genetic freaks who just luck into running fast. Pretty standard, prejudiced, colonial view of Africans as uncivilized. Second view is that the East Africans are cheaters, who take advantage of "Third World" immorality and corruption to get drugs. Pretty, standard, prejudiced view of African countries as uncivilized.

Now these views are somewhat inconsistent (one view has Kenyans and Ethiopians as supremely talented, another has them as needing to cheat to win). What is consistent is the strenuous effort to denigrate all accomplishments by African runners. Whatever the argument that is needed in the moment, it is used so that the African champions can be ignored.

Credit to Wejo and Rojo for avoiding these traps and prejudices. They are fans of the best runners, regardless of nationality. They are just as excited to tell the story of Chelimo and Hissan as the story of the Norwegians. Alas, there are many prejudiced trolls on this board who are taking the Norwegians at face value while they question others. These folks have a faith in Nordic genes that would have even made some folks in the 1920s cringe.

And, if you want to just make wild accusations and play on national stereotypes, the performances by the Norwegians were some of the most unbelievable, jaw-dropping, Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, Ma's army performances ever. Why should we believe that this country is suddenly able to produce these extraordinary performances. Two clean runners thrashing supposedly doped runners. If anyone thinks the Kenyans cheat, but Jacob beat them clean, they are deluded (and worse). But if you are in that category, I have some LiveStrong bracelets to sell to you.

he is just unstoppable wrote:

fujimaster wrote:

El g is in my opinion to most obvious doper of all time for the men.

Hes the male version of flojo. Someone that was so obviously doping it just accepted fact.

If he is or not fortunately doesn't depend on your "opinion".

read this thread about how LR viewed lance

open your eyes friend. they are nearly all doping. there probably hast been a clean track medal in 40 years.

Red tracks wrote:

If anyone thinks the Kenyans cheat, but Jacob beat them clean, they are deluded (and worse). But if you are in that category, I have some LiveStrong bracelets to sell to you.

Translation - 'if anyone thinks that a white kid just thrashed the best doped up Kenyan genetic superman, then I'm going to lie down and cry, as my weird racist view of East Africans being a genetic offshoot of humanity is so important to me'.

There have been convicted 2:20 male Kenyan marathon runners. Does that mean any white person who runs faster than that is a doper?

Freaking imbecile.

HobbyJOG wrote:

1- He beats Cheruiyot

2 - He broke his 1500 PR

3- He broke the Olympics 1500M Best time

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I still have in mind all the people who were like " Ingrebgitsten will never beat Cheruiyot " / " Ingebrigtsen never wins championships "... LOL

Yeah, just not convinced his father's athletes are clean including him.

Nordic neighbors Denmark, Sweden and Finland have how many of the world's 3 foremost hurdlers or distance runners? Sweden imported one (Aragawi), but she turned out to be a cheat. As much as the Nordics share best practices and training tips, no other country outside of Norway has been able to benefit from this tranche of insights. Not one. None. Norway's performances are in that Bonds-McGwire-Sosa territory, their Nordic neighbors are whiffing and striking out.

Red tracks wrote:

Credit to Wejo and Rojo for avoiding these traps and prejudices. They are fans of the best runners, regardless of nationality. They are just as excited to tell the story of Chelimo and Hissan as the story of the Norwegians. Alas, there are many prejudiced trolls on this board who are taking the Norwegians at face value while they question others. These folks have a faith in Nordic genes that would have even made some folks in the 1920s cringe.

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Did you not see that thread from rojo wheere the fact that Katir lost meant that "god is good?" Very clearly implying that Katir is doped out of and into his eyeballs?

Funny forum this. Is there any athlete that has won gold in this olympics without all you guys scream "doping"? Consider better shoes, better tracks, better research about training.

Cant see why Jakob, whos been like a pro since 10, should be accused of doping. Its not like he crushed the wr.. But he will.