Athing Mu joins the sub-50/sub-2 club - 49.84!!

paris2024hawk wrote:

Why are you guys even arguing if she can run 47, she is an 800m runner, at best she will likely run 48.8 if she chooses to continue focusing on the 800m.There is a small chance she could be better at the 400m than the 800m, as she is running elite times while not training specifically for the event, but will likely never find out if she is.

Why wouldn't she be able to run 47? What exactly do you think will hold her back? If she focuses on 400m and forgets about 800m, all is possible if done right.

The other question is why try hard in 400m, when she easily can dominate 800m for upcoming decade. Easy money.

think firster wrote:

paris2024hawk wrote:

Why are you guys even arguing if she can run 47, she is an 800m runner, at best she will likely run 48.8 if she chooses to continue focusing on the 800m.There is a small chance she could be better at the 400m than the 800m, as she is running elite times while not training specifically for the event, but will likely never find out if she is.

Why wouldn't she be able to run 47? What exactly do you think will hold her back? If she focuses on 400m and forgets about 800m, all is possible if done right.

The other question is why try hard in 400m, when she easily can dominate 800m for upcoming decade. Easy money.

47 is splits of 23.5. To be able to run those she needs to be at least 2 secs faster over the 200. That's 21.5. The world record holder had a 200 pr of 21.7. Mu will never break 22 for the 200, as that is a world-class sprinter's time. She is fast but she is not a sprinter. She is probably a 22-high runner, or 23.

I have not been interested or watched women 800m since Caster left the scene. I would always watch it when she ran.

I am starting to get interested in the women 800m again.

I watched all of Mu’s 800m this year.

I’m sure I’m not the only one who has experienced that.

She will make the women 800m great again

If you are after some extra stats to ponder something that has been overlooked here is the average age that the women on the 400m all time list ran their best 200m and 400m times. I've done a bit of research and almost all the ages range between 22-28 for both events. Also if you look at the progression of a lot of these women, when they were the age of 18-19 ( Athing Mu's age) almost all of them had slower times in the 400m and similar times in the 200m compared to Mu and went on to run high 47, 48-49 for the 400m and low or sub 22 for the 200. If Mu decided to focus on the 200/400m she too could improve in a similar fashion to these former athletes.

gvgvvgvg wrote:

I have not been interested or watched women 800m since Caster left the scene. I would always watch it when she ran.

I am starting to get interested in the women 800m again.

I watched all of Mu’s 800m this year.

I’m sure I’m not the only one who has experienced that.

She will make the women 800m great again

What I want is races where I don't know who's going to win. Most of Caster's on that basis weren't exciting at all. For example didn't you think the 2019 Worlds finish was a great race?

She won't break 22 but she will easily break the world record in the 800. She isn't a world class 200 meter runner nor is she a world class 1500 meter runner. She will come close to the 400 record and will break the 800 record within 2 years. Wimpy ArmGuy will claim doping and will never admit that everyone else was correct while he was incorrect yet again.

GreatDane wrote:

If you are after some extra stats to ponder something that has been overlooked here is the average age that the women on the 400m all time list ran their best 200m and 400m times. I've done a bit of research and almost all the ages range between 22-28 for both events. Also if you look at the progression of a lot of these women, when they were the age of 18-19 ( Athing Mu's age) almost all of them had slower times in the 400m and similar times in the 200m compared to Mu and went on to run high 47, 48-49 for the 400m and low or sub 22 for the 200. If Mu decided to focus on the 200/400m she too could improve in a similar fashion to these former athletes.

Looking behind those stats we see that the fastest times were run by E Bloc runners, who were almost certainly doped. It can't be assumed the others are clean, either. Naser - with her whereabouts failures? Some of those athletes may have started doping in their twenties, when we saw a spike in their performances, and not in their teens.

On another thread, it was pointed out that of the teenagers who ran the 800 in 1.58 or better, most improved only 0.25secs over their careers. Teenage prodigies - of which Mu may be one - peak early and dont get much better. Ryun, Amos and Jelimo are examples.

Men are women so women are men wrote:

She won't break 22 but she will easily break the world record in the 800. She isn't a world class 200 meter runner nor is she a world class 1500 meter runner. She will come close to the 400 record and will break the 800 record within 2 years. Wimpy ArmGuy will claim doping and will never admit that everyone else was correct while he was incorrect yet again.

I am quite confident that she won't beat a massively doped world record. If she is clean.

In nearly forty years no doper has been able to beat it - or a biological male who is intersex.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Men are women so women are men wrote:

She won't break 22 but she will easily break the world record in the 800. She isn't a world class 200 meter runner nor is she a world class 1500 meter runner. She will come close to the 400 record and will break the 800 record within 2 years. Wimpy ArmGuy will claim doping and will never admit that everyone else was correct while he was incorrect yet again.

I am quite confident that she won't beat a massively doped world record. If she is clean.

In nearly forty years no doper has been able to beat it - or a biological male who is intersex.

Yeah yeah. What happened to Bekeles records? I'm sure you thought those were unbeatable?

What about Bolt breaking Powells WR?

What about Van Niekerk beating Johnsons WR?

There is ALWAYS someone better.

Don't you think it's sad when everytime someone gets a record you proclaim them doping? Do you even enjoy track?

Mu is a kid, a very fast kid. Not even remote trace of doping and already world class. She 100% can get the WR clean if she does all right.

Only time will tell. It only takes one freak of nature to perform the "impossible" to change everyones opinion of what's possible. E.g If you asked someone in 1950 if 4 minutes would ever be broken, let alone someone would someday run 3:43 they would have laughed in your face and called you crazy. Similar with Bolt running 9.58 and 19.19. Nobody saw that coming.

GreatDane wrote:

Only time will tell. It only takes one freak of nature to perform the "impossible" to change everyones opinion of what's possible. E.g If you asked someone in 1950 if 4 minutes would ever be broken, let alone someone would someday run 3:43 they would have laughed in your face and called you crazy. Similar with Bolt running 9.58 and 19.19. Nobody saw that coming.

Exactly. I mean Amstrong guy is more than 70 years old. For him the last clean athlete is Jim Ryun.

Hahaha laughing out loud literally here!! Sorry Armstrong...Actually do I really need to apologise here?! lol

think firster wrote:

GreatDane wrote:

Only time will tell. It only takes one freak of nature to perform the "impossible" to change everyones opinion of what's possible. E.g If you asked someone in 1950 if 4 minutes would ever be broken, let alone someone would someday run 3:43 they would have laughed in your face and called you crazy. Similar with Bolt running 9.58 and 19.19. Nobody saw that coming.

Exactly. I mean Amstrong guy is more than 70 years old. For him the last clean athlete is Jim Ryun.

Not 70. But Ive seen a lot more of life - and track- than the adolescents who populate these boards. I dont know if Ryun is the last clean athlete - I havent ever said that - but I referred to him here because he is an example of a highly talented athlete who peaked young and didn't get better past 20. Prodigies - like Mu also - are often like that. None of you know who is the last clean athlete because doping is widespread in elite and professional sport and largely undetectable. The assumptions here that achievements in this sport are clean is ill-informed and hopelessly naive.

GreatDane wrote:

Hahaha laughing out loud literally here!! Sorry Armstrong...Actually do I really need to apologise here?! lol

You might - because your arguments aren't particularly convincing. They fall more into the category of wishful thinking than analysis.

GreatDane wrote:

Only time will tell. It only takes one freak of nature to perform the "impossible" to change everyones opinion of what's possible. E.g If you asked someone in 1950 if 4 minutes would ever be broken, let alone someone would someday run 3:43 they would have laughed in your face and called you crazy. Similar with Bolt running 9.58 and 19.19. Nobody saw that coming.

If you told someone in 1950 that professional athletes would have access to designer drugs that couldn't be detected, that are now found in every sport at the top level and across all countries, they wouldn't have believed that either. Some of you are still in 1950 - figuratively speaking. The world of sport changed a long time ago - and not necessarily for the better.

think firster wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I am quite confident that she won't beat a massively doped world record. If she is clean.

In nearly forty years no doper has been able to beat it - or a biological male who is intersex.

Yeah yeah. What happened to Bekeles records? I'm sure you thought those were unbeatable?

What about Bolt breaking Powells WR?

What about Van Niekerk beating Johnsons WR?

There is ALWAYS someone better.

Don't you think it's sad when everytime someone gets a record you proclaim them doping? Do you even enjoy track?

Mu is a kid, a very fast kid. Not even remote trace of doping and already world class. She 100% can get the WR clean if she does all right.

I dont believe there has been a clean world record for 30 years - nearly 40 in the women's events, with the E Bloc records still standing. No improvements since have been unaccompanied by drugs. You might like to think these records are clean - but you have no idea whether they are or not.