I doubt Mo Ahmed would do it intentionally.
I doubt Mo Ahmed would do it intentionally.
STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^"""""""" wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
I think the critical point in this whole debacle is when Mo puts both his hands up to his left and to his right which was unnecessary and which may have caused the incident. It looked like he was mad that he was not able to get ahead of those two guys to both his right (Avila) and his left, and then when he went down, he reacted by pulling Avila down with him - whether it was intentional or not remains to be seen but it looked like it was intentional.
Ahmed’s Instagram has not yet mentioned the incident.
It looked like Mo may have been guilty of an infraction in the heat of the moment which we are all capable of, and this should not detract from the overall picture we have of this guy which is that he’s a good guy - Mo Ahmed.
Mo weighs around 120 pounds and faces a serious challenge at the start of the race surrounded by guys who are around 30 to 40 pounds heavier.
I regret he did not do a “Kiprop” or “Abdi Bile” (intentionally stay at the back of the field in the early going), and then move through smoothly.
The reason Kiprop and guys like Farah casually went to the back is because they could toy with the field and get away with having bad racing tactics because they were doping. The doping gave them the confidence to toy with the field like they would do so often. No clean athlete races like that.
It seems to have forgotten people like Dave Wottle. He was as clean as a whistle and adopted these kinds of tactics in most of his races
https://youtu.be/nhixMwfBL7YGhost1 wrote:
It seems to have forgotten people like Dave Wottle. He was as clean as a whistle
Were you with him 100% of the time? Stop assuming athletes are clean, just because they are white.
Al Sleet wrote:
mvnnm wrote:
Are you visually impaired, a moron, or both?
Mo got pushed from both sides and then flailed his arms in frustration. And then when going down he grabbed the nearest thing he could trying to stay up.
Remember Kejelcha/Barega? Grabbing someone's vest/shorts can be enough for you to stay up. And if that guy was the one initiating your fall, eff him.
The visually impaired crew is led by you. I assume a Mo teammate or fanboy. He could not have attempted to get away from the line any more poorly or unprofessionally. There's always a bit of bumping at the start of a competitive 1500m as we see within the same race with guys who actually know how to get away from the line instead of flailing away and grabbing anyone they can to pull them down.
The guy is a clown.
Mo Ahmed is more of a distance runner than middle middle distance runner since he was at school in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. With that in mind, I suspect he lacks the technical savvy that comes from a lot of experience in 800 and1500 m race is that these guys have. Pushing and barging is not normally essential in 5000 m and 10,000 m races.
I feel this was a “one off” as he’s normally a good guy.
Al Sleet wrote:
mvnnm wrote:
Are you visually impaired, a moron, or both?
Mo got pushed from both sides and then flailed his arms in frustration. And then when going down he grabbed the nearest thing he could trying to stay up.
Remember Kejelcha/Barega? Grabbing someone's vest/shorts can be enough for you to stay up. And if that guy was the one initiating your fall, eff him.
The visually impaired crew is led by you. I assume a Mo teammate or fanboy. He could not have attempted to get away from the line any more poorly or unprofessionally. There's always a bit of bumping at the start of a competitive 1500m as we see within the same race with guys who actually know how to get away from the line instead of flailing away and grabbing anyone they can to pull them down.
The guy is a clown.
Why the animosity? So you admit he was ill-suited to the race conditions that befell him? I agree. I don't think that's his fault though.
Ok7272 wrote:
I doubt Mo Ahmed would do it intentionally.
But he did intentionally not make piece with Avila after the incident. Avila helped the begrudging Moh to his feet and a minute later tried unsuccessfully to high five or something. Moh looked like an ass all the way through. Bumping and banging is part of racing and as Salvatore Stichmo described Moh's "blender arms" action is not.
quickytug wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
It seems to have forgotten people like Dave Wottle. He was as clean as a whistle
Were you with him 100% of the time? Stop assuming athletes are clean, just because they are white.
Wottle is different because he was not toying with the field like dopers Farah, Kiprop, Mak Daddy is another one who toys with the gield because of the hubris that doping provides him. Wottle was simply running smart, even splits while his opposition was blowing their load.
Mo is 100% to blame for everything. Pulling down Avila was CRIMINAL. Absolutely disgusting. It is NOT him just trying to regain balance, it's an intentional tackle.
There should never be 15 people on the line in any pro 1500m race. The max should be 10.
It had to be Drew Hunter spitting at Mo from the grassy knoll
Who gives a McFluck wrote:
Ok7272 wrote:
I doubt Mo Ahmed would do it intentionally.
But he did intentionally not make piece with Avila after the incident. Avila helped the begrudging Moh to his feet and a minute later tried unsuccessfully to high five or something. Moh looked like an ass all the way through. Bumping and banging is part of racing and as Salvatore Stichmo described Moh's "blender arms" action is not.
I'm not sure why people in this thread are oblivious to the HUGE elbows Avila threw at the start, knocking both Moh and Vince away from him. The difference is that Moh is lighter than Vince, and Wynne was REALLY close to Moh. So at the start Moh understandably had try and regain his balance.
Then, 25m later, Avila tries to cut in HARD on Moh (wayyyy too early), shoulder checks him, and Moh goes down.
Now, I don't know if Moh intentionally grabbed on to Avila or not, but even if it was intentional, I don't blame him. Avila ruined his race.
Why do you think Moh was having "blender arms"? Just because he felt like it? Avila's elbows are right into the shoulders of both Vince and Moh at the start.
Watched it 100x... spoiled Bowerman boy.
Have you ever run in a pro race in your life? Simple question - yes or no answer.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Have you ever run in a pro race in your life? Simple question - yes or no answer.
Yes, as a collegiate athlete, way back.
It's mind-blowing to me how people can watch the same video and reach such drastically different conclusions. Some people (like the ' guy on page 1) are clearly biased and see what they want to see (or pretend to see it). Others seem to genuinely believe their opinion.
I came in here unbiased - I barely know who Ahmed is and have no idea who Avila and Wynne are - and to me it can't be clearer that Ahmed caused all this. He's all over the place like a panicked spastic, he actually throws both arms sideway at one point when he's moving from lane to lane, and then when he can't keep his balance, he just decides to take down Avila with him. The natural instinct when you are tripping is to put your hands or arms toward the ground to brace the impact, NOT to grab the nearest person and drag them down too. Later on, Avila should have b!tchlapped him, instead of trying to give him a hand up.
central park runners wrote:
Mo is 100% to blame for everything. Pulling down Avila was CRIMINAL. Absolutely disgusting. It is NOT him just trying to regain balance, it's an intentional tackle.
There should never be 15 people on the line in any pro 1500m race. The max should be 10.
You are blind. I watched this frame by frame, and Avila shoved him twice across able 2/3rds of a lane into/in front of Wynne. Then he got pulled down has as was shoving him the third time. It's Avila's own fault.
Che Gemoof wrote:
It's mind-blowing to me how people can watch the same video and reach such drastically different conclusions. Some people (like the ' guy on page 1) are clearly biased and see what they want to see (or pretend to see it). Others seem to genuinely believe their opinion.
I came in here unbiased - I barely know who Ahmed is and have no idea who Avila and Wynne are - and to me it can't be clearer that Ahmed caused all this. He's all over the place like a panicked spastic, he actually throws both arms sideway at one point when he's moving from lane to lane, and then when he can't keep his balance, he just decides to take down Avila with him. The natural instinct when you are tripping is to put your hands or arms toward the ground to brace the impact, NOT to grab the nearest person and drag them down too. Later on, Avila should have b!tchlapped him, instead of trying to give him a hand up.
I concur. It's almost like people ignore the entirety of the first 50m and only see Ahmed grabbing Avila. Why would you ignore the events leading up to that? Those were ALL caused by Avila trying to clear space for himself and cutting in too early.
8^) wrote:
central park runners wrote:
Mo is 100% to blame for everything. Pulling down Avila was CRIMINAL. Absolutely disgusting. It is NOT him just trying to regain balance, it's an intentional tackle.
There should never be 15 people on the line in any pro 1500m race. The max should be 10.
You are blind. I watched this frame by frame, and Avila shoved him twice across able 2/3rds of a lane into/in front of Wynne. Then he got pulled down has as was shoving him the third time. It's Avila's own fault.
Exactly. Moh didn't just spontaneously decide to grab Avila and haul him down. He was already going down BECAUSE of Avila.
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Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Have you ever run in a pro race in your life? Simple question - yes or no answer.
Yes, as a collegiate athlete, way back.
Okay so personally I maybe ran 50-60 in my career, and not "way" back - so I have a good sample size to make this statement. The start of that race was messy even by pro standards but not uncommon. Nobody did anything absolutely egregious until Ahmed hooked his hand under Avilas vest and horse-collared him to the ground which is flat out dangerous (there could have been broken bones/torn ligaments for everyone involved).
So congrats on your one pro race as a collegian way back when - but honestly pal, you don't know what you are talking about and that's the end of it.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
` wrote:
Yes, as a collegiate athlete, way back.
Okay so personally I maybe ran 50-60 in my career, and not "way" back - so I have a good sample size to make this statement. The start of that race was messy even by pro standards but not uncommon. Nobody did anything absolutely egregious until Ahmed hooked his hand under Avilas vest and horse-collared him to the ground which is flat out dangerous (there could have been broken bones/torn ligaments for everyone involved).
So congrats on your one pro race as a collegian way back when - but honestly pal, you don't know what you are talking about and that's the end of it.
This, folks, is what we call an appeal to authority and worthless in an argument. Why don't we just ask you for opinion every time we discuss something regarding a professional race? Obviously your opinion is the only correct one. What's the point in mere mortals like myself even discussing professional track. I should just call you up every time I need to think about something like this, and have you think for me!
So, ignoring the irrelevant part of your comment, answer this question, yes or no (since you enjoy that format so much): Was Ahmed going to fall anyway because of the push from Avila? It's a simple question.
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8^) wrote:
You are blind. I watched this frame by frame, and Avila shoved him twice across able 2/3rds of a lane into/in front of Wynne. Then he got pulled down has as was shoving him the third time. It's Avila's own fault.
Exactly. Moh didn't just spontaneously decide to grab Avila and haul him down. He was already going down BECAUSE of Avila.
Yes, looking at how far Avila was shoving Mo again frame by frame, it's more like the full width of a lane for both the first and second shoves. From the line between lanes 6 and 7 to the line between lanes 5 and 6 on the first shove, and then from the line between lanes 5 and 6 to the line between lanes 4 and 5 on the second shove. Then he got pulled down as he was attempting to shove Mo a third time.
Frame by frame youtube: someone already said it above, but pause the video, then use the comma and period (which have the less than and greater than in the shift position, pointing left and right, but don't shift) to go back and forward a frame.