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Original thread.
rojo wrote:
Guest poster wrote:
The Notre Dame frosh ran a 3:58 DMR split, after running ~4:05 in high school. Didn't run freshman xc (or track I think), only started running as a sophomore. Went from 14:52 on the track his senior year to 18:00 6k XC (not sure his 8k) in college.
Incredible post. Your post reminds me of the text I got a few years back when Fisher was in HS, it said, "Fisher's not even the most talented guy in Michigan." A friend was at a meet and saw Donavan Brazier run and thought he was unreal.
Tonight at NCAAs, Nuguse - a true freshman walk on - just walked down a totally fresh Grant Fisher and others in the DMR to grab 2nd. Unreal.
Why are you like this Rojo...
Random question xyz wrote:
GreatDane wrote:
Just incredible. I haven't done the research but I would be suprised if an Olympic 1500m heat has ever been won in a faster time than that! Anyone know for sure?
OR Ngeny 3:32.07, 2000. But you make a good point
That was the final, though. I think the poster is right that Olympic heats are rarely run this fast. Semis occasionally, but it's less crazy for 3:29-30 guys to run 3:35 obviously.
lonesome moon wrote:
You realize these things aren’t mutually exclusive? All three can make the team.
It's true, but if Nuguse, Hocker and Teare are in 3:33ish shape (or faster) the path for Centro is pretty rough.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Random question xyz wrote:
OR Ngeny 3:32.07, 2000. But you make a good point
That was the final, though. I think the poster is right that Olympic heats are rarely run this fast. Semis occasionally, but it's less crazy for 3:29-30 guys to run 3:35 obviously.
Oh good point. I missed that the op was specifically about heats
rojo wrote:
Good point. Nuguse's time today equals 3:51.9 in the mile but if you even out the shoes, this might be only a 3:54 in the old shoes.
Look rojo I know you've never run in the shoes so stop saying stuff like this they really don't give you some incredible feeling of bounciness that you get from next%s the truth is they are just a nice spike that is my opinion is far more forgiving on the legs.
aint nobody f***ing with the kid from Kentucky
Didn't see this coming.
It does compare to Ollie Hoare's recent races and also to Jakob's 1500m solo in the 2020 Norwegian championships:
Just a reminder to everyone who doesn't know realize amazing Oregon's 3:50 miles were, 3:34 converts to 3:51. Nuguse seems to be running a hair better right now but we won't know who is truly top dog until Hocker and Nuguse lay it all out there in the final
The 1500 final is definitely going to be the premier event of NCAA's. Nuguse and Hocker and possibly Kipsang (can't forget about him) will battle for first, and then there's lots of really talented depth right behind them. Suliman, Clinger (if he doesn't run the 5k), Garcia-Romo, Adams. As our fearless leader Trump would say - it's going to be wild.
The Nuguse is loose!
Let it Rupp wrote:
Just a reminder to everyone who doesn't know realize amazing Oregon's 3:50 miles were, 3:34 converts to 3:51. Nuguse seems to be running a hair better right now but we won't know who is truly top dog until Hocker and Nuguse lay it all out there in the final
The 1500 final is definitely going to be the premier event of NCAA's. Nuguse and Hocker and possibly Kipsang (can't forget about him) will battle for first, and then there's lots of really talented depth right behind them. Suliman, Clinger (if he doesn't run the 5k), Garcia-Romo, Adams. As our fearless leader Trump would say - it's going to be wild.
I would argue Nuguse's run was more impressive. Completely solo and outdoors without the windless conditions on those bouncy indoor tracks. Obviously this will be settled on the track and hopefully for many more years to come. All of a sudden, the US is loaded with promising 1500m/mile talent.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
I would argue Nuguse's run was more impressive. Completely solo and outdoors without the windless conditions on those bouncy indoor tracks. Obviously this will be settled on the track and hopefully for many more years to come. All of a sudden, the US is loaded with promising 1500m/mile talent.
100% agree. The 3:50 was great, but it was indoors and perfect conditions with pacing for basically 1350 meters.
Let it Rupp wrote:
Just a reminder to everyone who doesn't know realize amazing Oregon's 3:50 miles were, 3:34 converts to 3:51. Nuguse seems to be running a hair better right now but we won't know who is truly top dog until Hocker and Nuguse lay it all out there in the final
The 1500 final is definitely going to be the premier event of NCAA's. Nuguse and Hocker and possibly Kipsang (can't forget about him) will battle for first, and then there's lots of really talented depth right behind them. Suliman, Clinger (if he doesn't run the 5k), Garcia-Romo, Adams. As our fearless leader Trump would say - it's going to be wild.
Huh? Didnt all 3 of them race just last week?
just one long sentence wrote:
Let it Rupp wrote:
Just a reminder to everyone who doesn't know realize amazing Oregon's 3:50 miles were, 3:34 converts to 3:51. Nuguse seems to be running a hair better right now but we won't know who is truly top dog until Hocker and Nuguse lay it all out there in the final
The 1500 final is definitely going to be the premier event of NCAA's. Nuguse and Hocker and possibly Kipsang (can't forget about him) will battle for first, and then there's lots of really talented depth right behind them. Suliman, Clinger (if he doesn't run the 5k), Garcia-Romo, Adams. As our fearless leader Trump would say - it's going to be wild.
Huh? Didnt all 3 of them race just last week?
Yes, but what makes finals races so great is that is when everyone is aiming to peak and be at their best and all stops will be pulled. Mid-season races are just preparations for the finals, they're not meaningless but they are not the end goal. You could argue even NCAA's won't give us the real clear picture since these guys are all aiming for Oly titles in the summer.
It's just great stuff and smart on many levels - I laughed at how the commentators didn't seem to figure out or understand what was going on here.
I mean the logic is sound - weather looked amazing (who knows if it would be as good in the final), no stress of needing to win the race (even if somehow he blew up he probably still makes the final and can reassess) and he's also fresh.
I mean given that he's the best miler in the nation right now I'm going to assume he can win the final in many ways and this way that's all he needs to focus on. Why worry about winning a race and running the standard in the same race when you can split it up.
Just takes the guts to do it and he clearly has them. Super impressive
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Random question xyz wrote:
OR Ngeny 3:32.07, 2000. But you make a good point
That was the final, though. I think the poster is right that Olympic heats are rarely run this fast. Semis occasionally, but it's less crazy for 3:29-30 guys to run 3:35 obviously.
^+1
So off the top of my head I had remembered a handful of 3.35/6 races in heats but I also remembered that in either Athens or Beijing there was one crazy heat which was super fast.
It was actually Beijing and it was our favorite 1500m runner from that era, Rashid Ramzi, who ran 3.32.89 in the first round. Of course that result ended up being annulled so the next fastest was second in that heat - Mohammed Moustaoui whose result we could probably also annul, but officially this is fastest time ever in an Olympic heat (3.34.80)
So you are right - this was faster than any heat at an Olympics (or a Worlds) for that matter. I can't imagine other than this where we would find a heat run as quick.
But as someone else pointed out, there is a difference between this and guys running 3.35/6 off 2.57 at 1200m but either way it's pretty sensational.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
It's just great stuff and smart on many levels - I laughed at how the commentators didn't seem to figure out or understand what was going on here.
I mean the logic is sound - weather looked amazing (who knows if it would be as good in the final), no stress of needing to win the race (even if somehow he blew up he probably still makes the final and can reassess) and he's also fresh.
I mean given that he's the best miler in the nation right now I'm going to assume he can win the final in many ways and this way that's all he needs to focus on. Why worry about winning a race and running the standard in the same race when you can split it up.
Just takes the guts to do it and he clearly has them. Super impressive
I agree with this wholeheartedly. The broadcasters had no idea what was going on. As soon as he passed 200 in 27 something I felt myself let out a loud chuckle. The first thought that crossed my mind was “ , is he going for the standard or just working on being aggressive?” I’m sure most stat nerd knew by 300 in what he was doing. The most impressive thing for me was his close. He hit 1200 hard in 2:53 and still managed to close in 41. Even his last 200 looked bad, I saw him cross in 3:06 and thought it was over because of how high his arm carriage was becoming. If nothing else Yared proved he’s got the will to be a champion and I can’t do anything but commend him for that.
slowbro wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
It's just great stuff and smart on many levels - I laughed at how the commentators didn't seem to figure out or understand what was going on here.
I mean the logic is sound - weather looked amazing (who knows if it would be as good in the final), no stress of needing to win the race (even if somehow he blew up he probably still makes the final and can reassess) and he's also fresh.
I mean given that he's the best miler in the nation right now I'm going to assume he can win the final in many ways and this way that's all he needs to focus on. Why worry about winning a race and running the standard in the same race when you can split it up.
Just takes the guts to do it and he clearly has them. Super impressive
I agree with this wholeheartedly. The broadcasters had no idea what was going on. As soon as he passed 200 in 27 something I felt myself let out a loud chuckle. The first thought that crossed my mind was “ , is he going for the standard or just working on being aggressive?” I’m sure most stat nerd knew by 300 in what he was doing. The most impressive thing for me was his close. He hit 1200 hard in 2:53 and still managed to close in 41. Even his last 200 looked bad, I saw him cross in 3:06 and thought it was over because of how high his arm carriage was becoming. If nothing else Yared proved he’s got the will to be a champion and I can’t do anything but commend him for that.
People in agreement on Letsrun - things are looking up in the world!
The final point you made is a great one because no disrespect to Yared - he's not exactly "Centro-esque" in the form department. I had heard the name before but the first time I saw him actually run was a few weeks ago when I watched the NCAA final from '19 and I was like "this dude?" Even more impressive was the guts and toughness to win that final given what happened with 150m to go. Same with last night - I knew he had run 3.34 before I had seen the race and again in the first 300 I'm thinking how does this guy do it? Like you said - he has determination and strength - both physical and mental that is rare (see Engles, Craig) and he is one tough dude. That will get you far in this event - he will be exciting to watch at US Champs.
Yeah but if you look Nuguse from the waist down when he runs, which is what really matters, he looks tremendous.