Middle Class wrote:
Interesting.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/caitlyn-jenner-opposes-transgender-sports-girl-teams
Is this front page worthy brojos or just being used to push an agenda? Why haven't you put up an article showing the opposing viewpoint? #EmbraceDebate, or something.
honestly, all this effort should be made to find ways to allow them to complete, not just outright ban them. Require them to take testosterone reducing therapies until their levels are below a certain range. Do something rather than just outright ban them. That is the most extreme solution, why not try something better.
Every time you are saying, "You can't do this because you are different" you make it easy for people to equate "different" with "wrong". You are separating them from everybody else. These are kids who are just looking for acceptance. Next it is the bathroom issue. Finally you are saying to these kids that "You can't do all those things that other kids can do, but 'go be who you want to be'".
Do people really think that kids are out there trying to game the system? That how they would do better in sports is a considering factor in the decision to live their life as a completely different gender?
Muebele wrote:
honestly, all this effort should be made to find ways to allow them to complete, not just outright ban them. Require them to take testosterone reducing therapies until their levels are below a certain range. Do something rather than just outright ban them. That is the most extreme solution, why not try something better.
Every time you are saying, "You can't do this because you are different" you make it easy for people to equate "different" with "wrong". You are separating them from everybody else. These are kids who are just looking for acceptance. Next it is the bathroom issue. Finally you are saying to these kids that "You can't do all those things that other kids can do, but 'go be who you want to be'".
Do people really think that kids are out there trying to game the system? That how they would do better in sports is a considering factor in the decision to live their life as a completely different gender?
totally agreed. That's why I think it def shouldn't matter for kids before high school. And we should make every effort to be inclusive, while continuing to make fairness a top priority at every level after that.
teh gheys have turned against caitlin after calling him "brave" a few years ago. such a fickle bunch.
NotPC wrote:
teh gheys have turned against caitlin after calling him "brave" a few years ago. such a fickle bunch.
Caitlyn was always a controversial figure in the LGBT community. If you think they just "turned on her" then you don't really get the whole history here.
The trans community (which contrary to popular belief on here) has ALWAYS existed, and has made small steps towards visibility for a long time. Look up Harry Allen, Christine Jorgensen, Marsha P Johnson, etc etc.
The thing is, trans activists created tons of leeway and space over time and in the 21st century, a lot of those trans folks were black trans women like Janet Mock and Laverne Cox.
But Caitlyn had the BIGGEST platform, and it was one that was created by a frivolous reality TV show. With the Diane Sawyer interview, she became the most famous trans person alive, and maybe the most famous ever. Her story made her a house hold name. For other trans activists it was a moment that was mixed. Suddenly they were visible, but the real activists got none of the credit.
It was like that journalist quote about trump "I worked on this story for months, and he just...tweeted it out!" Caitlyn deserved to live as herself, but the credit for her ability to do this and for everyone after her to do this should go to the trans people who made that moment possible. But we won't remember them. We'll instead remember Caitlyn.
Caitlyn is not a great spokesperson for the LGBT community. She has opposed same sex marriage, and supported Donald Trump. Typically the LGBT community stands firm with other marginalized people. Caitlyn generally only thinks of herself.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7197153/transgender-rapist-women-inmates-in-jailRunRagged wrote:
a controversial new law came into effect requiring that placement in male or female prison be based on convicts' claimed gender identities, not their biological sex
ALL OF YOU LEFTISTS ARE COLLECTIVELY GUILTY OF ASSAULT.
All of you leftists who claim to be feminists are against the safety of women.
All of you leftists are hypocrites.
Related, is TMZ a reputable polling source? Might that website have issues with the audience they attract + the way polls are presented to said audience?
Ya'll are taking a clear stance & pushing a clear agenda.
The fact that this has only popped up as an issue after Biden proposed better policy than the previous administration should tip you off that it’s not about common sense.
I think you cherry pick your research when it comes to issues you’re afraid might not go your common-sense way if you were to have a look at the bigger picture.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/05/03/caitlyn-jenner-trans-girls-ban-activist-dr-veronica-ivy/
wejo wrote:
It’s common sense.
Ignoring any hormone suppression, biological men shouldn’t compete vs biological men when there are categories based on sex.
Caitlyn as Bruce was the greatest male athlete in the world. She understands basic biology.
And trans women understand this on some level right? They know they are not biologically male.
Sure there is a fairness component and maybe that is where testosterone levels could come in or reminding trans women they can still compete with their biological sex. There isn’t a perfect solution but the more this progresses I don’t have much of an issue of making elite sport more about biology than gender identity. Nikki Hiltz made this is even more apparent to me. She’s one of the top female athletes in the word at 1500 . She would be a pretty good high school male runner . No matter what she identifies with I don’t have a problem with her competing in the women’s category. She is female. I wouldn’t force her to compete vs biological men because she on some days she feels more masculine than feminine.
What’s wrong with telling trans athletes you are free to identify as you wish but when it comes to sport it’s based on biological sex and not gender identity?
Recreational sport can do what it wants.
What am I missing?
you are a hateful person Weldon. This site has been anti-trans.
Here is what you are missing. First you and the bros on this site are attacking kids who just want to live their lives. Children.
Secondly, it's not really a problem. There is no wide scale issue. It's people like you that wanted to push bathroom bills.
It's hateful...you know it. You try to pretend you care about the integrity of the sport or women. (But with the sites history of misogyny, it's laughable)
Muebele wrote:
honestly, all this effort should be made to find ways to allow them to complete, not just outright ban them. Require them to take testosterone reducing therapies until their levels are below a certain range. Do something rather than just outright ban them. That is the most extreme solution, why not try something better.
Actually, there is an ultimate solution to this problem.
Prescribe puberty blocker to every trans girl by age 11-12, and they won't develop any physical advantage over cis girls. Then they can start HRT once they turn 16.
Of course, the people who are trying to "protect women's sports" are also trying to ban HRT and puberty blocker for minors. It's like the best way to prevent abortion is to ban birth control. Makes perfect sense, right?
https://www.acpeds.org/gender-dysphoria-in-children-summary-pointsJust Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Prescribe puberty blocker to every trans girl by age 11-12, and they won't develop any physical advantage over cis girls.
"Puberty blocking hormones gonadotropin releasing hormone agonists or GnRH agonists arrest bone growth, decrease bone density, prevent the sex-steroid dependent organization and maturation of the adolescent brain, and inhibit fertility by preventing the development of gonadal tissue and mature gametes for the duration of treatment."
An 11-year-old child cannot buy a beer or drive a car. He or she is not developed enough to make life-altering decisions that might harm his or her health.
All of you leftists have proven yourselves to be hypocrites who don't care about children's health or about women's safety.
Just keep posting more and digging your hole deeper. You've lost the argument, and nothing you say will turn the tables around.
You cannot even begin to reply to me because you know in your heart that you are wrong.
I don’t know how protecting women from being abused by men became a conservative talking point.
L L wrote:
I don’t know how protecting women from being abused by men became a conservative talking point.
I don't know where you're getting "conservative talking point" from. Independents, libertarians, and moderates are all in favor of protecting women.
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/over-50-percent-white-liberal-women-under-30-mental-health-condition"women, ages 18-29, who identified as liberal were given a mental health diagnosis from medical professionals at a rate of 56.3%".
What form of mental illness do you have if you are part of the 56.3%?
facts and reason wrote:
https://www.acpeds.org/gender-dysphoria-in-children-summary-points
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Why don't you try this link instead?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075Bruce is confusing people.
I agree with Jenner. And she pisses off the identity thought police which is always a good thing.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/05/i-know-what-happens-to-the-kids-in-transhood-because-it-happened-to-me/Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Why don't you try this link instead?
"Grandma was totally unaware of the damage that she was inflicting, indoctrinating me into enjoying being a girl instead of who I really was—the scruffy little boy with cowboy boots and torn jeans. In retrospect, I see her behavior as emotional and psychological abuse because it planted the idea I would be loved more as a girl."
If you support 11-year-old children taking puberty-blocking chemicals, then you are supporting child abuse.
Occam wrote:
wejo wrote:
It’s common sense.
Ignoring any hormone suppression, biological men shouldn’t compete vs biological men when there are categories based on sex.
Caitlyn as Bruce was the greatest male athlete in the world. She understands basic biology.
And trans women understand this on some level right? They know they are not biologically male.
Sure there is a fairness component and maybe that is where testosterone levels could come in or reminding trans women they can still compete with their biological sex. There isn’t a perfect solution but the more this progresses I don’t have much of an issue of making elite sport more about biology than gender identity. Nikki Hiltz made this is even more apparent to me. She’s one of the top female athletes in the word at 1500 . She would be a pretty good high school male runner . No matter what she identifies with I don’t have a problem with her competing in the women’s category. She is female. I wouldn’t force her to compete vs biological men because she on some days she feels more masculine than feminine.
What’s wrong with telling trans athletes you are free to identify as you wish but when it comes to sport it’s based on biological sex and not gender identity?
Recreational sport can do what it wants.
What am I missing?
you are a hateful person Weldon. This site has been anti-trans.
Here is what you are missing. First you and the bros on this site are attacking kids who just want to live their lives. Children.
Secondly, it's not really a problem. There is no wide scale issue. It's people like you that wanted to push bathroom bills.
It's hateful...you know it. You try to pretend you care about the integrity of the sport or women. (But with the sites history of misogyny, it's laughable)
I disagree. If you wanna be a trans and chop off your nutsack, or be male, keep your nutsack and "self identify" as female, knock yourself out. I could care less, its your right. But don't then decide you want to compete in women's sports, where you have a distinctly unfair advantage over the female competitors, irrespective of nutsack or lack thereof.
https://faithit-eszuskq0bptlfh8awbb.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tutu.jpgOLD SMTC SOB wrote:
I could care less, its your right.
Americans have the freedom for the pursuit of happiness. You can go dance on the sidewalk while wearing a pink tutu and having purple hair. That is your freedom.
If your actions affect others, it is no longer a question of freedom.
When a leftist wants to enforce an unfair advantage against girls in school, then that is crossing the line.
Some assembly required. wrote:
I agree with Jenner. And she pisses off the identity thought police which is always a good thing.
Jenner isn't pissing anyone off. She decided that being a Republican makes her best strategy to be opposed to transgender athletes. It's not surprising and supporting transgender athletes wouldn't have gotten her votes on the left.
I don't care about her transgendering, but she's been somewhat of a clown for decades and I consider her running for governor to be absurd.
