Agree. The unabomber, with his genius iq and all the free time in the world couldn't, fix his broken down truck. Lots of different types of smart(and dumb). General James Mattis and Henry Kissinger both fell under Elizabeth Holmes (theranos) spell and they have been widely lauded for their acumen.
As a child, my father tested over 4 SDs above the mean. He tells me that his first year calculus professor (at a large, well-respected university) had a standing offer that any student who scored 100% on the final exam would be granted a one-time privilege I'm intentionally omitting. In something like 20 years, no one had collected; strangely, two students collected that year (one of which was my father).
My father's ability to look at and figure out the workings of mechanical items is astonishingly bad for someone whose problem solving ability is so strong.
What is the matter with you math guys? Y = mx + b? Everyone knows you add numbers together and not letters! Geesh!
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do I like divide something? wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2eyq9qTOQY
Great example of the failed US school system.
do I like divide something? wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2ST6uApZ7k
She has the intelligence of one pizza slice.
The question I have is, is a pizza 8 times or 12 times more intelligent?
shuffle shuffle wrote:
First, most people who consider themselves "good at math" just memorized some mental tricks and shortcuts--they don't actually understand advanced theory and would get totally wrecked by anything above Calculus I. Just because you memorized a mental shortcut for finding derivatives doesn't make you "good at math." It makes you good at memorizing algorithms.
Second, some people have legitimate learning disabilities that make math really hard. There are some extremely intelligent people out there that are just terrible at math because they can't conceptualize numbers abstractly. But they might be amazing writers or artists, or be great at leading organizations regardless of that. And conversely, there are some people who are true geniuses in math or hard sciences that are borderline illiterate could not have an intelligent conversation about literature or history.
First, you have no idea what mathematical intelligence means.
Second, who said people who have legitimate learning disabilities can’t be dumb? That usually just means that they are so dumb you had to take them to a doctor to fix their illness of dumbness.
You sound like a perfect example of Dunning Kruegerism with your shockingly confident spouting of nonsense.
most people dont need much maths in life. some creative thinking is much more important. people are wise by not focussing on an area that has very limited application in life. people who waste their time with maths are probably not ***** their girlfriend (hand) a lot.
California dems are legislating math curriculum out of existence.
Make your own inferences about their voter base.
“Creative thinking” is a euphemism used by Americans for stupidity and the smart ones just curiously smile at that term.
hombre3000 wrote:
math is a litmus test for actual intelligence (not made-up intelligence). I've never met someone who's "bad at math" and was not a moran.
There is a learning difference known as dyscalculia, thought to be present in 3–6% of the general population. It's sort of the math version of dyslexia.
Someone with dyscalculia can have a genius IQ.
Fat hurts wrote:
hombre3000 wrote:
math is a litmus test for actual intelligence (not made-up intelligence). I've never met someone who's "bad at math" and was not a moran.
There is a learning difference known as dyscalculia, thought to be present in 3–6% of the general population. It's sort of the math version of dyslexia.
Someone with dyscalculia can have a genius IQ.
True enough, and an illustration of why blanket statements should generally be avoided. You can't *automatically* infer that someone with poor math ability sports a two-digit IQ.
That said, it is equally true that the great majority--but NOT all--of people who "just suck at math" or "just don't test well" are just fvckin' dumb. Despite below-average intelligence, kids who show up every day and do the work and aren't disruptive can still get As and Bs in some school courses, but standardized tests and especially math exams will tend to "find them out."
Come on, half of the population has below-average intelligence. That'll generally show up in lots of ways; one way is lousy math skills.
If it wasn't for some hot dumb girls most of us wouldn't have a mate
There are different types of intelligence, being able to read and persuade people is arguably more valuable than math and problem solving. In general great salespeople are more highly sought after and better compensated than great actuaries or accountants. Politicians all have better people skills than math and they run the whole world.
I say this as someone who is great at math and couldn't t sell whiskey to wild indians.
Whatley wrote:
Had a grandfather who was born and raised in Missouri he couldn't read or write but what he could do was cook better than my mom, my wife and my grandma's, he could tear an engine down rebuild it and put it back, his garden was amazing, he played the piano, the harmonica and the guitar, he knew all those old Jimmie Rodgers, Frank Hutchison, The Carter Family songs, he knew how to get people to do what he wanted and wanting to. He could fix anything and liked doing it and everyone who knew him adored him. When he died there must have been a thousand people at his funeral, that right there is the true test, how many will miss you when you're gone.
Way too much is made about intelligence, have known guys with some degree without a lick of common sense. Couldn't even change their oil.
This sounds like an example of an intelligent person who just was not educated. Doesn't mean he's dumb. He sounds very capable of learning things, and so he did learn a lot of things, all the things you mentioned. You've got to wonder what he could have achieved if he got some formal education, maybe he'd have been a great engineer inventing something.
STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^ wrote:
Problem solving in general is a key to gage intelligence level but it doesn't have to necessarily be math problems. Some smart people may be perplexed by math but good at solving other problems. But again, ability to figure things out usually signifies high intelligence.
Not looking promising for you then. But hey, at least you have that inheritance.
It seems most people are confusing arithmetic with math. Which means you suck at reading comprehension too.
Fat hurts wrote:
There is a learning difference known as dyscalculia, thought to be present in 3–6% of the general population. It's sort of the math version of dyslexia.
Someone with dyscalculia can have a genius IQ.
Yes, this does exist. There are many more examples of high IQ people with learning issues, but who have excellent numeration than those with poor numeration. However having dyscalculia doesn't indicate poor intelligence.
Measured intelligence in general is a vastly overrated metric. Common sense is in many ways more important, as demonstrated by the posting of the people in this very thread.
TBH, kids these days are required to do a lot less independently because the world has evolved into a place where thinking is unnecessary. Kids don't count coins in piggy banks anymore. They don't need to read clocks. They don't need to keep track of schedules for cartoons. Less natural number development. Thus, teachers need to be able to do more in the classroom to address this and in America many teachers are simply underqualified to do so.
Bingo Is His Namo wrote:
STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^ wrote:
Problem solving in general is a key to gage intelligence level but it doesn't have to necessarily be math problems. Some smart people may be perplexed by math but good at solving other problems. But again, ability to figure things out usually signifies high intelligence.
Not looking promising for you then. But hey, at least you have that inheritance.
Agree, people try so hard to euphemism stupidity as “creative ability”, “ability to figure things out” and what not. Math is all about creativity and figuring things out. Anyone who can do that well can figure most other things out in the world quicker. Including music, fine arts, and other pursuits one might consider stereotypically creative.
Disko Eric wrote:
It seems most people are confusing arithmetic with math. Which means you suck at reading comprehension too.
Some are also confusing it with memorization skills. They probably also can’t tell troglodytes apart from trigonometrists.