Naples Half Marathon Official Discussion Thread

Great PR for Seth. With a little more speed work I think he could run a 1:04. What did he do? Total of three track workouts? Someone needs to convince him it takes more WO s. Keep the altitude and mileage. Maybe a little less mileage.

Anyhow congratulations Seth! Top 5. Does he walk away with any $?

Banned in 60 Seconds wrote:

holpin wrote:

DeMoor's new PB 1:05:44 has 2:17:3x potential in the Marathon, per Daniels Calculator; McMillan gives it a 2:18:20.

He's not disciplined enough to run either time.

Why would you say such a thing?!? The guy demonstrates incredible discipline!

abce1 wrote:

Great PR for Seth. With a little more speed work I think he could run a 1:04. What did he do? Total of three track workouts? Someone needs to convince him it takes more WO s. Keep the altitude and mileage. Maybe a little less mileage.

Anyhow congratulations Seth! Top 5. Does he walk away with any $?

I'm not convinced (and I don't think he is either) a lot of reps on the track is what he needs, with the training time he has available, in light of the fact that his very peak goal race this year is the Pikes Peak Marathon, followed by NYC marathon. Ripping off reps on the track, in the cold, in order to peak for this half would have greatly increased injury risk.

Yes, I hope everyone now understands what it takes to run fast - LOTS of FAST running; flushing lactate efficiently from the muscles. Seth did 3-4 strong sessions. He needed 13-14 sessions. Look at the work Morgan McDonald just put in.. and he's probably a 61-62 min shape or faster.

Can't complain about a PR, but when you experiment in training without science, you get random results.

Seth DeMoor's 1:05:44 Half Marathon PB today is INTERNATIONAL CLASS (90.77 Age-perf %) on the 2010 Factors. That's huge!

Granted, with the updated 2020 Factors, his Half today was worth 88.74 Age-perf %, high National Class, which ain't shabby.

Onward and upward.

"flushing lactate efficiently". :rollseyes"

It's called training around the lactate threshold, it is not new by any measure, and it was certainly NOT invented by Canova, whatever he or you want to call it.

holpin, read the thread. Looks like you were proven wrong. I know what I'm talking about and you can roll your eyes all you want. I 'll check in with Seth this week and send him a cycle Canova gave me once for my PR.

holpin wrote:

"flushing lactate efficiently". :rollseyes"

It's called training around the lactate threshold, it is not new by any measure, and it was certainly NOT invented by Canova, whatever he or you want to call it.

Standard Setter wrote:

Seth did 3-4 strong sessions. He needed 13-14 sessions.

Since you evidently failed to read or comprehend my earlier post, I'll repeat if for you:

I'm not convinced (and I don't think he is either) a lot of reps on the track, at this juncture, with all things considered is what he needs, considering the training time he has available, in light of the fact that his very peak goal race this year is the Pikes Peak Marathon, followed by NYC marathon. Ripping off reps on the track, in the cold, in order to peak for this half would have greatly increased injury risk.

Standard Setter wrote:

I know what I'm talking about and you can roll your eyes all you want.

I don't think so. I think you are as clueless as that JS Wizard that trolls this board, and should have been banned long ago for continually trying to spam his bogus coaching services. Maybe you are him, with just another of his different handles.

holpin wrote:

Banned in 60 Seconds wrote:

He's not disciplined enough to run either time.

Why would you say such a thing?!? The guy demonstrates incredible discipline!

His in race discipline and pacing is atrocious. Outside of trail events, he always starts too fast and fades hard over the closing miles. He'll make his excuses on YouTube later and his fawning fans will offer attaboys and emojis to stoke his ego. On Tuesday, we'll get another video of him erasing half of his training plan and re-writing it for his next goal race ("I think, I THINK, that more steasy threshold fartleks are needed. I don't know. I don't understand all of the science so hit up the comments if you understand theses things. Oh look! TempoDave84 with the butter my bread emojis says, "You're still my hero!!!")

IMHO - his training plans are overly complex (13 run types!) and he should get an outside coach to guide him rather than rehashing his recollection of Wetmore's stuff from his college days. I think that he is far more interested in producing YouTube content. If he ran a perfect race and scored a big victory over a class field (Sorry! Pike's Peak was a middling array of locals as COVID and wildfire smoke kept many top trail dogs from racing) then he would be scrambling for ideas. "Almost" keeps his hobby jogger fanbase engaged as they love a fellow underdog.

holpin, why are you doing this to Seth? Do you have a vendetta against him? Do you not like his personality? Stop bringing negative attention to him on these boards, I know he does not appreciate it. Please move on with your obsession.

Move on, no one knows of the JS Wizard you speak of and anyone that says their name is a Wizard is pulling the sheets over your eyes. Canova is a proven world class coach. You should become educated. Move on, troll.

holpin wrote:

Look JS Wizard, you are an incredibly rude, and ignorant bore. You don't realize how much of a PITA you are on this forum, or you get some queer pleasure trolling the board that has long grown tired of it.

Again, you fail to understand that training around the lactate threshold is NOT some new revelation, and Canova DID NOT come up with it.

Banned in 60 Seconds wrote:

I think that he is far more interested in producing YouTube content.

^^^You got this right. He is trying to support his family doing so, and it takes an incredible amount of discipline to pull it off.

If he ran a perfect race and scored a big victory over a class field (Sorry! Pike's Peak was a middling array of locals as COVID and wildfire smoke kept many top trail dogs from racing) then he would be scrambling for ideas.

You can only race the ones that show up. He didn't cower in fear, like the Hoka athletes, but went out and grabbed the bull by the horns, and in doing so, not only came away as champion, but crushed the time of the guy that came in second the prior year.

Know, dude, the only one that needs to get off the thread I started is you, if you don't like it.

"Know", as in 'know' your answer is NO, as in no know-ledge.

Running a faster time in a different year means absolutely nothing. You fanboys must not be actual runners. The baro pressure was extremely high for the Pikes Peak Ascent 2019 and also that year it was much higher than 2020 when seth ran marathon. This makes a big difference in races at high altitude. Notice the guys you claim he ran faster than have all ran way faster than him when they race on the same day in the same race

He owns the record for his age group in the Pikes Peak Marathon. I think an Age Group record in that iconic race is huge. You think that was due to 2020 being the one and only year it had special barometric pressure.

So who do you think is showing up this year to race it with him. Andy Wacker was there last year, and David Sinclair, and those guys had great races, too. Why do you trolls always have to try and find the negative, rather than cheer these guys accomplishments? Do you think that elevates you somehow?

holpin wrote:

May have been ideal for FL, but 70% humidity at 56deg was a step up in intensity for the folks training in Colorado.

It is what it is. His next peak race (I think) is a marathon.

No way any runner out there today could have expected anything better weather wise. It was as close to perfect conditions as you'll ever get for a race, Naples Florida or not. If any of the elites under performed in relation to their expectations, they will likely point to how they had hoped to better take advantage of the ideal weather.

Congrats to Seth on a new PR.

I’m not a fanboy of his, but I was rooting for him to do well.

In my opinion, Seth needs to use much more modulation in his mileage and intensity. Take a look at his Strava weekly distance graph.

Also, I believe his taper was far too extreme.

Still a good run.