Gressier 3:36.01 Ostrava, pb

KAV wrote:

noticer of senseless hatred wrote:

The stats dont think so after Jakob & Crippa.

5000PB

1) Foppen 13:13.06

2) Oumaiz 13:14..14

3) Gressier 13:15.17

4) Hassan 13:18.01

5) Mohumed 13.23+

I still have Gressier above Crippa overall. Gressier has a faster 1500 and has a better road pedigree.

Crippa ran a 3'52" mile in Milan..... as well a 13'02".... step away from the keyboard...

What did Gressier run in that race in which Crippa ran a 13:02? Right. So we don't know directly how they compare. Only thing from that race that we know is that Oumaiz is way behind Crippa as Oumaiz ran only 13:17 there on that perfect day.

What we also know is that in that Monaco race Gressier ran 13:15 and Crippa couldn't hang with the hot pace and ended up dropping out. Advantage Gressier.

In July almost solo 1500 in 3:48, one pacer ...for around 1200...good job.

Joel Lilleso name for the future, Denmark, not normally a hotbed for distance runners, but 2 World class distance runners among the youth right now including Christensen

Today JG won the French championships in the 5000 with a modest timer 1333 but before you jump at his throat please keep in mind that the temperature was really a heatwave and very unkind use it to running fast.

Jimmy Gressier (Boulogne-sur-Mer Ac) won his first national track title by winning the 5000m in 13'33''08. A race conducted at high speed from the start as announced by the member of Boulogne-sur-Mer Ac. Author of a big finish, Fabien Palcau (Dijon Uc) took second place in 13'35''61 ahead of the triathlon world champion in mixed relay, Dorain Coninx (Entente Athlétique Grenoble 38, 13'40''11) . Among the hopes it is Etienne Daguinos (Us Talence) who is crowned in 14'01''21 ahead of Bastien Augusto (Us Berry Athletics, 14'06''85) and Théo Rageot (Athlé Bocage Vendée, 14'08 '' 17).

If you were interested in French women and how fast they run in the 5000 well two of them ran under 16 minutes for 5000 m which is considered a pretty good time in France. Please note the very high temperatures today so I think those two girls can run between 1535 to 1545.

At the end of a nice race long battle with Aude Korotchansky (Athletic Clubs 92), finally second in 15'58''58, the junior Alessia Zarbo (Nice Cote d'Azur Athlétisme) takes the national title elite of the 5000m in 15'56''46. Emeline Delanis (Athlé 91) completed the podium in 16'02''54. Among the hopes (sub 22 years old division) Mélody Julien (Association Multisports Montredonnaise) who won in 16'18''54 ahead of Mathilde Sénéchal (Aj Blois-Onzain, 16'33''25) and Méline Rollin (Grac Athletics, 16'48 23).

“Among the hopes it is Etienne Daguinos (Us Talence) who is crowned in 14'01''21 ahead of Bastian Augusto (Us Berry Athletics, 14'06''85) and Théo Rageot (Athlé Bocage Vendée, 14'08 '' 17).”

In France, there is a separate division for runners under 22 years old and they are called “Espoirs” which translates to “hopes” in English and which really means young runners with potential for the future. So in this age division the winner of under 22 ran 1401 and the second place was 1406 and third place was 1408. So I guess those young hopeful runners would be good in NCAA division two in the United States but not good enough to win their division is in division one that’s for sure.

How good are those young French runners in the 5000 not counting JG? Well they are good but those two young Danish runners are actually better than most of the best young French runners. I think the French are very good in the middle distances, sprints and technical vents but there seems to be a mental block in France about running long distances on the tracking on the roads. I mean if you look at the national lists for 5000 10,000 in France it is really pretty weak. For example, in Japan there would be literally hundreds of runners capable of beating most of the best French runners from 5000 to the Marathon distance. This means that Jimmy Gressier, despite his addiction to Macca’s and KFC is the exception that confirms the rule.

Ghost1 wrote:

How good are those young French runners in the 5000 not counting JG? Well they are good but those two young Danish runners are actually better than most of the best young French runners. I think the French are very good in the middle distances, sprints and technical vents but there seems to be a mental block in France about running long distances on the tracking on the roads. I mean if you look at the national lists for 5000 10,000 in France it is really pretty weak. For example, in Japan there would be literally hundreds of runners capable of beating most of the best French runners from 5000 to the Marathon distance. This means that Jimmy Gressier, despite his addiction to Macca’s and KFC is the exception that confirms the rule.

Sorry for the typos above. The correct version should read the following: “ I think the French are very good in the middle distances, sprints, and technical events but there seems to be a mental block in French about running long distances on the tracks and on the roads.”

Typo: mental block in France,(not “in French”).

Age categories in France

https://www.athle.fr/asp.net/main.html/html.aspx?htmlid=25

For Francophiles of which one feels there are many on this site here are the French records which may be of interest you.

https://www.athle.fr/asp.net/main.html/html.aspx?htmlid=25

100 m 9''86 (+1.3) VICAUT Jimmy 92 Ca montreuil 93 04/07/15 Saint denis

100 m 9''86 (+1.8) VICAUT Jimmy 92 Ca montreuil 93 07/06/16 Montreuil

200 m 19''80 (+0.8) LEMAITRE Christophe 90 As aix-les-bains * 03/09/11 Daegu

400 m 44''46 DJHONE Leslie 81 Es montgeron 29/08/07 Osaka

800 m 1'42''53 BOSSE Pierre-ambroise 92 Ua gujan-mestras 18/07/14 Monaco

1 000 m 2'13''96 BAALA Mehdi 78 Asptt strasbourg* 27/06/03 Strasbourg

1 500 m 3'28''98 BAALA Mehdi 78 Asptt strasbourg* 05/09/03 Bruxelles

Mile 3'50''33 DUBUS Eric 66 Stade bordeaux uc 16/08/95 Zurich

2 000 m 4'53''12 BAALA Mehdi 78 Asptt strasbourg* 23/06/05 Strasbourg

3 000 m 7'30''78 ESSAID Mustapha 70 Asptt grenoble * 08/08/98 Monaco

5 000 m 12'58''83 SGHYR Ismail 72 Stade bordelais* 28/07/00 Oslo

10 000 m 27'17''29 WANDERS Julien 96 Eaa - s/l la foulee d'annemass 17/07/19 Hengelo

20 000 m 58'18''4 ITSWEIRE Bertrand 65 C marignane sa 31/03/90 La flèche

25 000 m 1h15'56''7 CHAUVELIER Dominique 56 E sud sarthe a 13/06/92 La flèche

30 000 m 1h31'53''2 CHAUVELIER Dominique 56 E sud sarthe a 13/06/92 La flèche

Heure 20km601 ITSWEIRE Bertrand 65 C marignane sa 31/03/90 La flèche

110 m Haies 12''95 (+0.2) MARTINOT-LAGARDE Pascal 91 Es montgeron 18/07/14 Monaco

400 m Haies 47''37 DIAGANA Stephane 69 Ea franconville le parisis 05/07/95 Lausanne

3000 m Steeple 8'00''09 MEKHISSI BENABBAD Mahiedine 85 Efs reims a. * 06/07/13 Saint denis

Hauteur 2m34 HANANY Mickael 83 Entente franconville cesame va 22/03/14 El paso

Perche 6m16 I. LAVILLENIE Renaud 86 Clermont athletisme auvergne * 15/02/14 Donetsk

Longueur 8m42 (+0,4) SDIRI Salim 78 Lagardere paris racing 12/06/09 Pierre-bénite

Triple Saut 18m04 (+0.3) TAMGHO Teddy 89 Ca montreuil 93 18/08/13 Moscou

Poids 7 kg 20m72 NIARE Yves 77 Avia club issy-les-moulx 18/05/08 Versailles

Disque 2 kg 68m90 RETEL Jean-claude 68 Ind guadeloupe 17/07/02 Salon-de-provence

Marteau 7 kg 82m38 DUPRAY Gilles 70 Tregor goelo athletisme* 21/06/00 Chelles

Javelot 800 g 82m56 LEFEVRE Pascal 65 Asptt grenoble 28/08/89 Duisbourg

Décathlon 9 126 pts MAYER Kevin 92 Earv 26 07 - s/l ea tain-tourn 15/09/18 Talence

10''55(+0,3) - 7m80(+1,2) - 16m00 - 2m05 - 48''42 - 13''75(-1,1) - 50m54 - 5m45 - 71m90 - 4'36''11

4 x 100 m 37''79 EQUIPE DE FRANCE 01/09/90 Split

MORINIERE Max (64) CC Fort de France - SANGOUMA Daniel (65) CO Les Ulis - TROUABAL J. Charles (65) CO Les Ulis - MARIE ROSE Bruno (65) Racing CF

4 x 200 m 1'20''66 EQUIPE NATIONALE 24/05/14 Nassau

LEMAITRE Christophe (90) As Aix-Les-Bains* - FONSAT Yannick (88) Ca Montreuil 93 - BASSAW Ben (89) Grand Angouleme Athletisme - ROMAIN Ken (ESM/93) Tremblay Ac Athletisme

4 x 400 m 2'58''96 EQUIPE DE FRANCE 31/08/03 Paris-st denis

DJHONE Leslie (81) Neuilly Plaisance Sp. - KEITA Naman (78) AC Issy les Moulineaux - DIAGANA Stéphane (69) EA Franconville - RAQUIL Marc (77) Neuilly Plaisance Sp.

4 x 800 m 7'13''6 SELECTION FRANCAISE 23/06/79 Bourges

SANCHEZ Roqui (52) CMS Marignane - RIQUELME Joël (57) CA Ouest - DUPONT Philippe (58) JS Alonnes - MILHAU Roger (55) SS Martigues Sorts

4 x 1500 m 14'48''2 SELECTION FRANCAISE 23/06/79 Bourges

BEGOUIN Didier (56) CA Nancy - LEQUEMENT Denis (56) Stade Sottevillais - PHILIPPE Marcel (51) IND FFA - DIEN Philippe (57) Stade Français

Medley Court 1'54''97 ANNECY HAUTE SAVOIE A. * 12/10/19 Blois

DANGELO Lucas (JUM/01) Annecy Haute Savoie A. * - LAGARD MERMET Simeon (JUM/01) Annecy Haute Savoie A. * - LEECH Eddy (JUM/00) Annecy Haute Savoie A. * - MAURICE Patrice (89) Annecy Haute Savoie A. *

Medley Long A ETABLIR

1h Marche 15 395 m DINIZ Yohann 78 Efs reims a. * 13/03/10 Reims

20 000 m Marche 1h19'42''0 DINIZ Yohann 78 Efs reims a. * 25/05/14 Bogny sur meuse

30 000 m Marche 2h03'56''5 TOUTAIN Thierry 62 Ga haut-saonois (fc) 24/03/91 Héricourt

50 000 m Marche 3h35'27''2 DINIZ Yohann 78 Efs reims a. * 12/03/11 Reims

French women records

100 m 10''73 (+2.0) ARRON Christine 73 Racing cf (paris) 19/08/98 Budapest

200 m 21''99 (+1.1) PEREC Marie josé 68 Stade francais (paris) 02/07/93 Villeneuve-d'ascq

400 m 48''25 PEREC Marie josé 68 Stade francais (paris) 29/07/96 Atlanta

800 m 1'56''53 DJATE Patricia 71 Sa pamiers basse ariege 09/09/95 Monaco

1 000 m 2'31''93 DJATE Patricia 71 Sa pamiers basse ariege 25/08/95 Bruxelles

1 500 m 3'59''76 DEHIBA CHAHYD Hind 79 As anzinoise athletisme * 16/07/10 St-denis

Mile 4'27''43 QUENTIN Frederique 69 Asptt lille metropole 14/08/96 Zurich

2 000 m 5'39''00 SERGENT Annette 62 Asu lyon 11/07/86 Londres

3 000 m 8'35''41 GHEZIELLE Bouchra 79 Ea franconville le parisis 01/07/05 St-denis

5 000 m 14'43''90 MAURY Margaret 74 Clermont athletisme auvergne 03/09/04 Bruxelles

10 000 m 31'35''81 DAUNAY Christelle 74 Sco ste-marguerite marseille* 03/06/12 Bilbao

20 000 m A Etablir

25 000 m A Etablir

30 000 m A Etablir

Heure 17km332 DUVIALARD Valerie 73 Asptt rouen 23/03/96 Rouen

100 m Haies 12''56 (+1.2) EWANJE-EPEE Monique 67 Us créteil 29/06/90 Villeneuve-d'ascq

100 m Haies 12''56 (+1.2) BILLAUD Cindy 86 Us creteil 12/07/14 Reims

400 m Haies 53''21 PEREC Marie josé 68 Stade francais (paris) 16/08/95 Zurich

3000 m Steeple 9'25''62 DUARTE Sophie 81 Ac paris-joinville 10/07/09 Rome

Hauteur 1m97 I. SKOTNIK Melanie 82 Alsace nord athletisme* 18/02/07 Aubière

Perche 4m75 GUILLON-ROMARIN Ninon 95 Ea cergy pontoise athletisme * 20/07/18 Monaco

Longueur 7m05 (-0.4) BARBER Eunice 74 Efs reims a. * 14/09/03 Monaco

Triple Saut 14m69 (+2.0) NZOLA MESO BA Teresa 83 Entente sud lyonnais* 23/06/07 Munich

Poids 4 kg 18m69 MANFREDI Laurence 74 Us gap 19/02/00 Liévin

Disque 1 kg 66m73 ROBERT-MICHON Melina 79 Lyon athletisme* 16/08/16 Rio de janeiro

Marteau 4 kg 74m94 IH TAVERNIER Alexandra 93 Annecy haute savoie a. * 11/07/20 Venissieux

Marteau 4 kg 74m84 TAVERNIER Alexandra 93 Annecy haute savoie a. * 16/06/19 Chorzow

Javelot 600 g 63m54 ANDRAUD Mathilde 89 Nice cote d'azur athletisme * 21/05/16 Halle

Heptathlon 6 889 pts BARBER Eunice 74 Efs reims a. * 04/06/05 Arles

12''62(+2.9) - 1m91 - 12m61 - 24''12(+1.2) - 6m78(+3.4) - 53m07 - 2'14''66

Décathlon 8 150 pts COLLONVILLE Marie 73 Amiens uc 25/09/04 Talence

12''48(+0,4) - 34m69 - 3m50 - 47m19 - 56''15 - 13''96(+0,4) - 6m18(+1,0) - 11m90 - 1m80 - 5'06''09

4 x 100 m 41''78 EQUIPE DE FRANCE 30/08/03 Paris-st denis

GIRARD Patricia (78) Neuilly Plaisance S. - HURTIS Muriel (79) AC Bobigny - FELIX Sylviane (77) GA Noisy le grand - ARRON Christine (73) Neuilly Plaisance S.

4 x 200 m 1'32''16 EQUIPE NATIONALE 12/05/19 Yokohama

ZAHI Carolle (94) Ca Montreuil 93 - RAFFAI Estelle (ESF/98) Athle 91* - LEDUC Cynthia (ESF/97) Sco Ste-Marguerite Marseille* - PARE Maroussia (96) Us Talence*

4 x 400 m 3'22''34 EQUIPE NATIONALE 14/08/94 Helsinki

LANDRE Francine (70) Stade Français - DORSILE Viviane (67) Stade Français - ELIEN Evelyne (64) AC Bouillante - PEREC Marie Jose (68) Stade Français

4 x 800 m 8'17''54 EQUIPE NATIONALE 25/05/14 Nassau

FEDRONIC Justine (91) Entente Franconville Cesame Val D'oise * - MOH Clarisse (86) Ca Montreuil 93 - BLAMEBLE Lisa (ESF/92) Ca Montreuil 93 - LAMOTE Renelle (ESF/93) Athle Sud 77*

4 x 1500 m A ETABLIR

Medley Court A ETABLIR

Medley Long 11'06''33 EQUIPE DE FRANCE 02/05/15 Nassau

LAMOTE Renelle (ESF/93) Athle Sud 77* - DIARRA Elea Mariama (90) Decines Meyzieu Athletisme - MOH Clarisse (86) Ca Montreuil 93 - PERRAUX Claire (87) Sco Ste-Marguerite Marseille*

5 000 m Marche 21'26''05 MENUET Emilie 91 Aj blois-onzain 17/06/17 Blois

10 000 m Marche 44'58''6 OUALI Fatiha 74 Cm roubaix 22/04/01 Chalon/saône

1h Marche 12 879 m OUALI Fatiha 74 Cm roubaix 22/04/01 Chalon-sur-saône

20 000 m Marche 1h34'57''1 GUINAUDEAU Christine 78 Amiens uc 26/04/09 La londe-les-maures

50 000 m Marche A Etablir

The French women’s records for 1500 m and 3000 m are somewhat controversial because both those records were achieved by women who were subsequently convicted of doping. Both are also of North African (Maghreb countries= Tunisia/Algeria/Morocco) origin which may or may not be significant. In addition, both those women were naturalized citizens of friends but not French by birth which may or may not be significant as well depending on your mindset.

Typo: should read “naturalized citizens of France” not - “naturalized citizens of friends.”

1) Obviously his rankings this year don't mean much since most top (african) guys don't/didn't run this year. Last year he would have been 8th in the 1500 m and 10th in the 5k. This year he is only 5th in the 10km road race from what i can tell and last year he would have been 8th in the 10000 m. Obviously U18 athletes rarely run the 10k, so the rankings don't mean much.

2) I didn't make any predictions about Ingebrigtsen when he was his age, but Jakob was much faster at the same age (3:39 in the 1500 m, 13:35 in the 5k), so i see no reason to think that this guy is remotely as talented as Jakob.

3) If you call sticking to the facts being biased, then i guess i am biased ...

It is a fact that in almost 3 decades no european-born guy has won a 5k/10k medal at world level, so for every young talent the probability of winning a medal is super small.

“It is a fact that in almost 3 decades no european-born guy has won a 5k/10k medal at world level, so for every young talent the probability of winning a medal is super small”

You are right about that but Jacob is the exception that might prove this rule. He is an outlier when it comes to European runners on the world stage competing with African runners. The advantage of second to none preparation, technology, and a back up system, Norge Federation. .

noticer of senseless hatred wrote:

KAV wrote:

Crippa ran a 3'52" mile in Milan..... as well a 13'02".... step away from the keyboard...

What did Gressier run in that race in which Crippa ran a 13:02? Right. So we don't know directly how they compare. Only thing from that race that we know is that Oumaiz is way behind Crippa as Oumaiz ran only 13:17 there on that perfect day.

What we also know is that in that Monaco race Gressier ran 13:15 and Crippa couldn't hang with the hot pace and ended up dropping out. Advantage Gressier.

How old are you?

Like in Kenya, and many other countries, Crippa is a “policeman” although he probably does not hand out a lot of tickets these days. For many decades, most of the best athletes in Italy have competed under the police name and organization. Interestingly, in Italy, policemen are allowed to sport long hair and beards which looks rather weird compared to most countries where police men and women sport the ‘clean look.”

By signing that contract, the athletes have a decent stipend and a good pension for life when their careers end a few years later.

https://images.app.goo.gl/nDspardxXxGd9eHJ6

Ghost1 wrote:

In July almost solo 1500 in 3:48, one pacer ...for around 1200...good job.

Almost solo with a pacer for 1200 m?