FFS guys, can we just talk about the run and praise the WR holder otherwise go to the Trump thread perhaps?
Why is every thread spoiled by the trolls who prefer to speculate, have theories on shoes, track...I'm surprised no one is saying that the pace lights is unfair
I am Sam wrote:
FFS guys, can we just talk about the run and praise the WR holder otherwise go to the Trump thread perhaps?
Why is every thread spoiled by the trolls who prefer to speculate, have theories on shoes, track...I'm surprised no one is saying that the pace lights is unfair
People are saying the pace lights are wrong, because they are.
An epic run - every bit as stunning and credible as Tirunesh Dibaba's 14:11 5K WR.
Let's get real for a minute - if 12:37 Bekele was in this race you really think he wouldn't have won? I have zero doubt he would have won.
Bekele was just better, IMO.
Jambo Cabao wrote:
your agenda sucks wrote:
Then it sounds like you should have quit watching the sport in '97.
Why are you even here? Either try and enjoy it as much you can while there's still a tiny bit of money keep it afloat or find a better hobby. Might I recommend betting on the SEC football Covid festival?
I really began asking myself that after the Aden group got away without even a hint of a slap on the wrist.
And the 2019 World Championships was really just a pharmaceutical commercial. It was as rife with blatant doping as I ever remember seeing, and I said that was the end of it for me.
Old habits die hard I guess. You give yourself to this sport, and as much as you hate to see a mockery made of it, or especially of people turning a blind eye to obvious cheating, its hard to move on. I tell myself there's no chance in hell that I'm watching the upcoming Olympics...but I'm sure I will. And I'm sure I'll be disgusted.
I still mostly have faith in the NCAA championships. There's dopers in there too no doubt, but as a whole, its quality, clean, amateur competition. Maybe I'll just focus on that, if the NCAA doesn't cut it altogether with covid as an excuse.
Bottom line...enjoy what you're watching, or not, it doesn't matter to me, but just know that what you saw today was a synthetic performance. And so was Bekele's WR. And so were Geb's. And we've know it the whole time, and never done anything about it.
How would you even know this? Stating your opinion as fact does not make it so. If woody kincaid can run 12:58, why can’t a guy that has lived at altitude on organic foods his entire life not run 20 seconds faster?
Do yourself a favor, and pick something else to watch. At the minimum, don’t come here and spout your unfounded negativity.
Nope wrote:
How in the name of bejesus can anyone look so casual after crossing the line
Did you see Kipchoge after he crossed the line after running 4:34 pace for 26.2 miles? Crazy.
hallahung wrote:
Let's get real for a minute - if 12:37 Bekele was in this race you really think he wouldn't have won? I have zero doubt he would have won.
Bekele was just better, IMO.
Not at the 5k...
Uh huh wrote:
Nope wrote:
How in the name of bejesus can anyone look so casual after crossing the line
Did you see Kipchoge after he crossed the line after running 4:34 pace for 26.2 miles? Crazy.
It is amusing that the faster running gets the easier it becomes - runners in the past were such idiots not to realise that. They should have simply run faster and fatigue would have magically vanished. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to apply to amateurs and the rest of us were mortals.
Why is this so hard wrote:
Lots of microdosing going on in 2020? And do we know how many seconds faster these new "Dragonfly" spikes are? (Not just here - I have my doubts about BTC as well). Hard to know what a record means these days.
Obviously a great run, but its hard to put in context. Honestly making me less of a track fan these days.
Compared to what era??
EPO era of late 90s early 00s?? (Bekele & El G)
Blood doping era of the 80s?? (Coe)
Steroid era of the Communist Bloc heyday, the 70s??
BTW, all of the shoes from any company or model is 1000 x better than what Paavo Nurmi used in the early 20th century.
Rupp had better shoes than Gebrselassie
Geb had better shoes than Pre
Pre had better shoes than Viren and Pre still got his ass kicked.
One things for sure.
Joshua Cheptegea ran 12:35 when it was 79 degrees.
I'd say that means he could run 12:35 in Chuck Taylor's if it were say, 52 degrees.
gregorygregg wrote:
George213 wrote:
Nah, that's just the nail in the coffin. Bekele can retire now, as he will never get the 5000m, 10000m and marathon WRs at the same time.
Nah Bekele will just run 12:34 and then get marathon WR
Isn’t Bekele too old to get a 5k world record now?
hallahung wrote:
Let's get real for a minute - if 12:37 Bekele was in this race you really think he wouldn't have won? I have zero doubt he would have won.
Bekele was just better, IMO.
No, Bekele is not better. Just look at the times.
World best for 4k too, last 4k was run in 10:02.62, I think his 4k enroute was also a world best at 10:04 and change lol. For 10 laps...
I thought he had less than a 1% chance of breaking this record. I was obviously way wrong. When Cheptegei says he is going to do something amazing, I am going to listen from now on. I thought Bekele's record might stand for decades. Incredible.
I tend to think that his breaking the 10k record is now a given. As suggested in another thread, we can even start talking about a sub-26.
In any other scenario, this board would be lit up with Jakob 3:28 threads. It takes a lot to make the letsrun crowd stop talking about Jakob for a day.
dodge ball wrote:
hallahung wrote:
Let's get real for a minute - if 12:37 Bekele was in this race you really think he wouldn't have won? I have zero doubt he would have won.
Bekele was just better, IMO.
No, Bekele is not better. Just look at the times.
There is a slight difference between better and faster. Yes Cheptegei will always be faster but I still think Bekele is a better 5,000m runner (so far). Both have great strength but Bekele had a far better kick
It’s like saying Mo Farah is better than gebremeskal (sp?). I don’t think anyone would bet against Mo even though he didn’t have the faster time
cheptegei was 14s behind (now previous) track wr on the road, rhonex only 7s behind the 10000m wr
Cheptegei ran one hell of a race. Regardless of new technology, most thought Bekele’s record was way out of reach before tonight. Not only did Cheptegei say he’d beat it, he destroyed it easily. Technology will always improve. That has to be accepted if one is to continue to be a fan of the sport. Bekele ran in better spikes than did those who preceded him, just the same as Cheptegei did to get the record. Nostalgia leads us to believe Bekele’s run was better, but someone will come along and break Cheptegei’s in the future. We need to take these runs for what they are worth at the time: impressive feats based on what was in front of them. Track needs this kind of mindset if it ever hopes to move forward as a sport. Otherwise, it will always be stuck in a mindset of “well technology, “doping,” or pacing lights made this possible.” The sport is constantly evolving, like all other sports. If track is satisfied with keeping 20 year old records, it’s will die a slow and painful death. Bekele was an icon was still deserves to be cherished for what he did, as does Geb, Komen, etc. just my 2 cents as a fan of the sport
Theyre not microdosing.Thats a myth.Top athletes are using just as many drugs in just as high doses as those in the past,despite the allegedly increased testing.I have no faith in the tests,or the testers,as the sport is very corrupt.
rare wrote:
PIK wrote:
Congrats to Cheptegei!
Shame Bekele was never able to hold the 5000m, 10000m, marathon records at once. If he wasn't able to do it, I can't see it ever being done, certainly not in my lifetime.
I think Bekele could have done it (he was two seconds away from having the marathon WR) but unfortunately he’ll never be able to now. Cheptegei has a good shot at doing it, the only question is if he is able to be a good marathoner.
You never know with marathon. Just look at Tadese, people expect him to do well, but marathon is just a different beast.
joecrunner wrote:
World best for 4k too, last 4k was run in 10:02.62, I think his 4k enroute was also a world best at 10:04 and change lol. For 10 laps...
How is it a registered user doesn't know what "en route" means? You can only set another record en route if you clear the distance from the start to that marker on your way to the designated distance. So from 0 - 4000m is that part that would be measured. 1000 - 5000 is not a 4000 world best. It's an impressive bit of running, but not a record. Flying starts don't count, genius
JamesTheAmateur wrote:
joecrunner wrote:
World best for 4k too, last 4k was run in 10:02.62, I think his 4k enroute was also a world best at 10:04 and change lol. For 10 laps...
How is it a registered user doesn't know what "en route" means? You can only set another record en route if you clear the distance from the start to that marker on your way to the designated distance. So from 0 - 4000m is that part that would be measured. 1000 - 5000 is not a 4000 world best. It's an impressive bit of running, but not a record. Flying starts don't count, genius
Isn't that exactly why he quoted two different times? One for the final 4k (10:02:62) and one for the first 4k (10:04:xx)...