Has Trump Jumped the Shark?!? Posts "White Power" video on twitter

shark jumped wrote:

Mondo Hondo wrote:

So much for shreds.

No we didn't cover it already. And no you don't have to be "extremely dumb" to make some of those mistakes. Intelligent people make mistakes on the internet all the time. You can see erroneous or inapplicable links, and various other errors on message boards like this all the time. People around the globe attach the wrong PDF, or no PDF at all, to important work emails all the time. I'm not on twitter, but I'm sure people post the wrong video or wrong link all the time, and I'll bet it's easy to do if you rushing or prolific.

When you are posting from a phone, like I understand Trump is, errors are easier to make than on a PC. Try posting from your phone on any message board and also add a link, and you'll see the additional room for error.

Occam's Razor works well for minds of certitude like yours - when presented with competing hypotheses regarding the same event, select the one with the fewest assumptions.

ok.....let me break it down real simple like. Yes people make mistakes all the time when rapid posting things from a phone.......doing that as the President of The United States....a person in a position to start a war......is really really really dumb.

Also, Occam's Razor would lead one to the conclusion that he posted something because he meant to post it. That's what people normally do. That's the case the vast majority of the time. It's the simplest explanation there is.

Your hypotheticals are the ones that require several assumptions.

Mondo Hondo wrote:

shark jumped wrote:

ok.....let me break it down real simple like. Yes people make mistakes all the time when rapid posting things from a phone.......doing that as the President of The United States....a person in a position to start a war......is really really really dumb.

Also, Occam's Razor would lead one to the conclusion that he posted something because he meant to post it. That's what people normally do. That's the case the vast majority of the time. It's the simplest explanation there is.

Your hypotheticals are the ones that require several assumptions.

You discuss things in a very childish way and lack any objectivity. The event, for purposes of Occam's Razor, is NOT a tweet containing a "white power" reference, where Trump was notified of or already knew of the reference, and not only kept the tweet up, but proceeded to publicly defended it. That would indicate he "meant to post it."

The event, for purposes of Occam's Razor, is a tweet made at 8AM that contains a "white power" reference that would be extremely damaging to ANY political campaign (even David Duke's), that Trump deleted three hours later (11AM), which was then disclaimed by his staff at the White House as a mistake, and also disclaimed by the group in the video (the Villages). The assumptions leading to your complicated hypothesis as to why Trump would have strategically behaved that way are many and far-fetched - basically he searched for and found a "white power" video (or at least stumbled across it), then chose a three hour window to tweet it in an attempt to appeal to some hypothetical and small number of "white power" supporters among his base (although he never points out the "white power" reference in the tweet), and does this despite knowing the risk of losing an enormous amount of actual and real supporters in the ensuing 48 hour all negative new cycle, which are the type of thing he clearly wants to avoid.

The much more likely hypothesis, with much less built in assumptions and less far-fetched and extreme ones, is that he made the tweet by mistake not realizing the "white power" reference, was notified of it and took the tweet down three hours later, and had his staff issue immediate disclaimers saying it was a mistake and that Trump never heard the "white power" reference.

That's how Occam's Razor actually works. Don't needlessly multiply assumptions where one will do, Magoo.

GoodIntentions;-) wrote:

Mondo Hondo wrote:

You discuss things in a very childish way and lack any objectivity. The event, for purposes of Occam's Razor, is NOT a tweet containing a "white power" reference, where Trump was notified of or already knew of the reference, and not only kept the tweet up, but proceeded to publicly defended it. That would indicate he "meant to post it."

The event, for purposes of Occam's Razor, is a tweet made at 8AM that contains a "white power" reference that would be extremely damaging to ANY political campaign (even David Duke's), that Trump deleted three hours later (11AM), which was then disclaimed by his staff at the White House as a mistake, and also disclaimed by the group in the video (the Villages). The assumptions leading to your complicated hypothesis as to why Trump would have strategically behaved that way are many and far-fetched - basically he searched for and found a "white power" video (or at least stumbled across it), then chose a three hour window to tweet it in an attempt to appeal to some hypothetical and small number of "white power" supporters among his base (although he never points out the "white power" reference in the tweet), and does this despite knowing the risk of losing an enormous amount of actual and real supporters in the ensuing 48 hour all negative new cycle, which are the type of thing he clearly wants to avoid.

The much more likely hypothesis, with much less built in assumptions and less far-fetched and extreme ones, is that he made the tweet by mistake not realizing the "white power" reference, was notified of it and took the tweet down three hours later, and had his staff issue immediate disclaimers saying it was a mistake and that Trump never heard the "white power" reference.

That's how Occam's Razor actually works. Don't needlessly multiply assumptions where one will do, Magoo.

So, to summarize the bit where to try too hard to make yourself sound smart - you are rolling with the theory that the President does not view or listen to items that he posts to millions and millions of people. That’s somehow “better” to you?

Mondo Hondo wrote:

shark jumped wrote:

ok.....let me break it down real simple like. Yes people make mistakes all the time when rapid posting things from a phone.......doing that as the President of The United States....a person in a position to start a war......is really really really dumb.

Also, Occam's Razor would lead one to the conclusion that he posted something because he meant to post it. That's what people normally do. That's the case the vast majority of the time. It's the simplest explanation there is.

Your hypotheticals are the ones that require several assumptions.

You discuss things in a very childish way and lack any objectivity. The event, for purposes of Occam's Razor, is NOT a tweet containing a "white power" reference, where Trump was notified of or already knew of the reference, and not only kept the tweet up, but proceeded to publicly defended it. That would indicate he "meant to post it."

The event, for purposes of Occam's Razor, is a tweet made at 8AM that contains a "white power" reference that would be extremely damaging to ANY political campaign (even David Duke's), that Trump deleted three hours later (11AM), which was then disclaimed by his staff at the White House as a mistake, and also disclaimed by the group in the video (the Villages). The assumptions leading to your complicated hypothesis as to why Trump would have strategically behaved that way are many and far-fetched - basically he searched for and found a "white power" video (or at least stumbled across it), then chose a three hour window to tweet it in an attempt to appeal to some hypothetical and small number of "white power" supporters among his base (although he never points out the "white power" reference in the tweet), and does this despite knowing the risk of losing an enormous amount of actual and real supporters in the ensuing 48 hour all negative new cycle, which are the type of thing he clearly wants to avoid.

The much more likely hypothesis, with much less built in assumptions and less far-fetched and extreme ones, is that he made the tweet by mistake not realizing the "white power" reference, was notified of it and took the tweet down three hours later, and had his staff issue immediate disclaimers saying it was a mistake and that Trump never heard the "white power" reference.

That's how Occam's Razor actually works. Don't needlessly multiply assumptions where one will do, Magoo.

bully pulpit wrote:

Mondo Hondo wrote:

You discuss things in a very childish way and lack any objectivity. The event, for purposes of Occam's Razor, is NOT a tweet containing a "white power" reference, where Trump was notified of or already knew of the reference, and not only kept the tweet up, but proceeded to publicly defended it. That would indicate he "meant to post it."

The event, for purposes of Occam's Razor, is a tweet made at 8AM that contains a "white power" reference that would be extremely damaging to ANY political campaign (even David Duke's), that Trump deleted three hours later (11AM), which was then disclaimed by his staff at the White House as a mistake, and also disclaimed by the group in the video (the Villages). The assumptions leading to your complicated hypothesis as to why Trump would have strategically behaved that way are many and far-fetched - basically he searched for and found a "white power" video (or at least stumbled across it), then chose a three hour window to tweet it in an attempt to appeal to some hypothetical and small number of "white power" supporters among his base (although he never points out the "white power" reference in the tweet), and does this despite knowing the risk of losing an enormous amount of actual and real supporters in the ensuing 48 hour all negative new cycle, which are the type of thing he clearly wants to avoid.

The much more likely hypothesis, with much less built in assumptions and less far-fetched and extreme ones, is that he made the tweet by mistake not realizing the "white power" reference, was notified of it and took the tweet down three hours later, and had his staff issue immediate disclaimers saying it was a mistake and that Trump never heard the "white power" reference.

That's how Occam's Razor actually works. Don't needlessly multiply assumptions where one will do, Magoo.

It would be somewhat believable he simply made a mistake if this was the first such incident. However, there have been too many to even recall:

Altered “racist” toddler video

Failing to disavow long-time Klan leader David Duke

Retweet of a far-right group’s anti-Muslim video

Failing to call out Senator Steve King’s “white nationalist” comment

There are “good people” on both sides

Portraying Central American asylum seekers as mostly hardened criminals

Portraying Mexican immigrants as rapists and murderers

Referring to covid-19 as the Kung flu

Claiming Obama was born in Kenya (even if he was he would still be born an American citizen by virtue of his mother’s citizenship)

You are going to great lengths to deny that Trump may have actually seen the “white power” comments in the video and sent it out anyway, knowing that it would not really make any difference.

The truth is that even if Trump intended to post the video it will not cost him any votes. People have come to terms with who he is one way or another. Many of his voters may not agree with his racist tone at times but their hatred for liberals runs much deeper. Trump believes that many American fear BLM much more than they may uncomfortable with his racist references. And he is probably right.