Is Drew Hunter wasting his potential by training with Tinman?

Drew looks like he's having fun. A lot of fun. The imapct of that on the quality and longevity of his career, not to mention his life can't be underestimated. There are some things that matter far more than the details of a workout. If I were him I'd enjoy this situation as long as I could.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

I was thinking about the tennis thread the other day, and all the box jumps and side-to-side with bands stuff those guys do. Then I watched some videos with gym training by the world's best XC mountain bike racers.

If I were coaching, I'd have my fastest guy doing stuff like the above, while also working toward a 53 close.

Otherwise, you're never taking down Edris.

How many box jumps and band work do you think Edris has done? It wasn't even a very fast lap lap. It was a quick last 800m where a bunch of the keys tied up. Endurance work might be more important for that.

I think he would definitely benefit from training with people faster than him. I can’t speak to training and how many miles he “should” run but I would probably have him run more than 75-80 mpw as he shows in strava.

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I know how to do it! He needs me to fullfill his dreams!

He doesn`t have to train with anyone . He just needs his very best and EXACT paces to reach the world top .

tinman has read scientific studies about aerobic conditioning but that alone doesn't make anyone a good coach. You need expertise in nutrition, strength training, sports psychology, tactics, speed, injury prevention, biomechanics, and many other factors. Tinman is incredibly DEFICIENT in those areas. And he's too arrogant to admit it, so his athletes pay the price.

yOU ARE RIGHT ALBANESE!! tINMAN IS A THEORETICHL COACH WITHOUT SECRET KNOWINGS . He will stay as a B-COACH.

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Drew looks like he's having fun. A lot of fun. The imapct of that on the quality and longevity of his career, not to mention his life can't be underestimated. There are some things that matter far more than the details of a workout. If I were him I'd enjoy this situation as long as I could.

I wouldn't read too much into videos and social media. There is alot you can fake and manufacture.

he really needs to be training with better runners than tinman. He should be trying to make the US team, most of the group is trying to make the trials. Either he needs to recruit someone else actually good or needs to leave

Just give him to Gjert.

Tinman is wasting his potential by training Drew. He really should be living in east Africa training the best and I mean the best talent like our Italian friend does. It would be terrific and I mean HUGE if Tinman actually had some talent to work with. And yes Im very handsome and own many properties.

I wouldn't disagree with you on that. If he's just doing this for the gram & is not having a great time with this crew he should pull the plug.

Hindsight is 2020 for the Don wrote:

Tinman is wasting his potential by training Drew. He really should be living in east Africa training the best and I mean the best talent like our Italian friend does. It would be terrific and I mean HUGE if Tinman actually had some talent to work with. And yes Im very handsome and own many properties.

His training would be so easy for them that they might thInk it was all some sort of elaborate prank.

LRP praises the simplicity of the system but simple only gets you so far. Read up on the training of Kenyan/world champion athletes and you’ll see that eventually you have to do more than CV reps, tempos, and strides.

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Hindsight is 2020 for the Don wrote:

Tinman is wasting his potential by training Drew. He really should be living in east Africa training the best and I mean the best talent like our Italian friend does. It would be terrific and I mean HUGE if Tinman actually had some talent to work with. And yes Im very handsome and own many properties.

His training would be so easy for them that they might thInk it was all some sort of elaborate prank.

LRP praises the simplicity of the system but simple only gets you so far. Read up on the training of Kenyan/world champion athletes and you’ll see that eventually you have to do more than CV reps, tempos, and strides.

Tinman understands the concept of peaking as good as any other elite coach - he adds some specific, high intensity workouts or tune-up races when his runners get closer to their peak competition.

Think about it that way - Hunter ran a 3:57 mile at moderate altitude, equivalent to a 3:54-3:55, few weeks ago off JUST CV training/tempos/thresholds/strides. Imagine what he can do once he starts to peak for a mile race. The classic Tinman base/CV training keeps someone within 97% of his maximum ability in a race, with much lower injury risk than high-intensity intervals or anaerobic capacity sessions. That will give him the last few % he needs to become ultra competitive.

Everyone works with a given talent level - Tinman training can get everyone to 97%, in a safe way. For Hunter that's 3:55, for the average HS kid it might be 4:20, for the average recreational adult 4:50. Then, with peaking and tune-up races, these times become 3:52, 4:15, 4:40. There is nothing magical about training. The Kenyan/world champion runners you mention aren't that fast because of some special training, but because their talent level is even higher than let's say Hunter, Justyn Knight, Grant Fisher, etc.

LRP - that’s not true. Go look at Hunter’s strava. On Fridays they have been going to the track and doing some tougher works. Usually a combination of threshold/tempo work and VO2 Max intervals. You even posted about one such workout - 12x400 @ 3k pace with 30s rest followed by tempo work. The 400s were faster than 3k pace (based on his 3200m time trial) making for a tough workout. You’ll see similar sessions over the last few months.

Hey LateRunnerPhil, why don't you reply to this?

hello? JS? wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Interesting, can you give some examples?

You?

And by the way, Tinman is definitely wasting Drew's potential. But so is Drew.

So much in the coach/athlete relationship depends on how much faith the athlete has in the coach. If the runner believes the coach's methods are right for him the runner will improve unless, obviously, the methods are totally screwed up such as aiming at a marathon medal off a mileage of 30 a week or running 70 miles a week for a 400 runner.

Snell believed in Lydiard, Elliott had absolute faith in Cerutty's approach, Ryun had total trust in Timmons, Bannister accepted Stamphl.

I find it funny how you keep comparing hunter knight and fisher. Knight is head and shoulders above the other two, and fisher is 7 seconds behind drew in the 5k. But fisher just signed with BTC, literally THE premiere running team in the United States. Fisher is training with guys like lomong, centro, Kincaid, hill, etc. and is gonna be dropping bombs soon.

And the Kenyans are faster mostly because of their work ethic and running environment/culture. Not just “talent”.