Jakob and Filip to run 800m on tuesday june 30th

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

1:46.1 for Jakob. 2nd, half a second behind Fillip.

I think Filip wins

1:45.1 Filip to 1:45.7 Jakob.

I think you are right!

He ran a 2k in 4:50, I won't be surprised if he hits 1:44- 1:45.

What's the correlation between a 2 000m and a 800m?

None.

What's the correlation? wrote:

What's the correlation between a 2 000m and a 800m?

None.

Absolutely none.

Jakob last year in my estimation could have run in perfect races:

1:45.5 3:29.5 12:55

Some might raise an eyebrow at the 5k time.

But really, if you are objective, the guys like Edris, Barega, Kejelcha etc can literally run low 12:40s. They have even proved so. Even Mo Ahmed is probably low 12:50s.

They are just downplayed mainly because Farah used to slap them about and nobody likes him.

That is why they destroyed Jakob at Doha, because they can run 10-15s faster than him in a 5k.

ex-runner wrote:

That is why they destroyed Jakob at Doha

This is true. Jakob got destroyed at Doha.

He had two options during the final 600m, and he chose the wrong one which was front-running going for the win.

If he had kept his cool until the last 3-400m he could have made the podium, but I'm sure it was a really good learning experience for him.

I don't think Jakob could beat 49s for the 400. I will go with the other commenters here that are picking an 800 in the region of 1.46xx. That would be a good result.

the249kilometrist wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

That is why they destroyed Jakob at Doha

This is true. Jakob got destroyed at Doha.

He had two options during the final 600m, and he chose the wrong one which was front-running going for the win.

If he had kept his cool until the last 3-400m he could have made the podium, but I'm sure it was a really good learning experience for him.

He was not going to make the podium. He had nothing in the last 400m.

I don't think he'll even break 1:46 tbh.

As I said, most likely low in the low 1:47

Deanouk wrote:

letsdrum wrote:

I would not interpret too much into these tables - do you know how they were done?

1:44.7 is definitely better than 2:16.50.

Yep!

2:16.5 is equal to 1:45.78 for 800m.

.5 is exactly equal to .78 ?

Alfred de Musset wrote:

He was not going to make the podium. He had nothing in the last 400m.

What are you talking about?

He was leading beyond 4800m in an attempt to go for the win. If he let someone else lead out and/or delay his finish for 200m he would most likely place 3rd.

At least he's not afraid to go for the win, but that day wasn't his day. You should rewatch the last 1000 if you're still unsure of how it went down.

the249kilometrist wrote:

Alfred de Musset wrote:

He was not going to make the podium. He had nothing in the last 400m.

What are you talking about?

He was leading beyond 4800m in an attempt to go for the win. If he let someone else lead out and/or delay his finish for 200m he would most likely place 3rd.

At least he's not afraid to go for the win, but that day wasn't his day. You should rewatch the last 1000 if you're still unsure of how it went down.

He led and he tried to go for it, it showed that he had nothing.

If he had waited longer he would have exploded the same way and finished at the same place.

filip will be frontrunner after 600m and will close in 1:45.5 to 1:46,0

jakob will draft 700m and nobody know what will happen on the final stretch. My guess is he will close right behind filip in 1:46.0.

However, the ingebritsen brothers are the best entertainment and inspiration of the running world this year!

ok, my part of the world... :)

Kudos to them!

Looking forward to see them!

Jakob does not have any world junior record, he is very far from them. And none of the world junior record holder have set a senior record later except Shaeen. So you expect him to be a late bloomer when he is an early bloomer.

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Do you have a master degree in logic?

You blame Jakob for not having a World Junior Record and simoultaneously state that none junior WR holders get WR´s. So why should Jakob care?

By the way : Kenenisa Bekele held a U20 WR in the 3000m. Did you forget him?

Early bloomer:

I have made a little bit research about former and current 800m/1500m runners to see how they developed from their teens in the 800m:

Steve Ovett. age 17 1:47.34; age 22 1:44.09

Seb Coe. age 20 1:44.95; age 24 1:41.73

Steve Cram. age 20 1:46.29; age 24 1:42.88

El-Guerrouj. age 20 1;47.18

Marcin Lewandowski. age 17 1:51.73; age 19 1.46.69; age 28 1:43.72; age 32 1:43.74

T. Makhloufi. age 21 1:49.40; age 28 1:42.61

Centrowitz. age 20 1:51.40; age 25 1:44.62

Elijah Manangoi. age 22 1:47.40; age 25 1:44.15

Craig Engels. age 16 1:55.37; age 19 1: 51.03; age 25 1:44.63

Jake Wightman. age 18 1:52.16; age 19 1:48.01: age 24 1:44.61

Timothy: age 18 1:45.92; age 23 1;43.11

Kalle Berglund. age 16 1:58.39; age 19 1:46.85; age 22 1:46.63

Drew Hunter. age 16 1:59.55; age 18 1:48.64; age 20 1:48.57

Josh Kerr. age 16 1:53.80; age 19 1:48.05; age 21 1:45.35

Jakob Ingebrigtsen. age 14 1:52.60; age 15 1:51.07; age 16 1:49.40; age 19 ???

As you can see runners normally develop substantially up into their twenties some even into their late twenties.

BUT YOU WILL PROBABLY SAY THAT THEY ARE JUST EXTREMELY LATE BLOOMERS ALL OF THEM?

AND MAINTAIN THAT JAKOB IS JUST AN EARLY BLOOMER WHO IS GOING TO PEAK SOON?

Very interesting data, thank you.

Doesn't change that Jakob will never break 1:45 in his career.

Do you have some arguments for your postulate?

objectiveobserver wrote:

Do you have some arguments for your postulate?

Many closeted fans have this weird mental strategy where they postulate overly pessimistic expectations such that the outcome either leaves them being correct, or positively surprised.

I expect them to run something Brazier would run in preliminary rounds.