Just stumbled across the YouTube channel of Andy Millman. ItsOnAndy.
Seems quite a likeable, relatable bloke.
what’s with so many YouTubers in the midlands though!
Met Andy at the Bourton 10K. Nice guy even if he beat me that time :) Definitely improving well as a runner. Doing Seville in Feb looking for about 3:10. Makes a change from the sub 2:20 aspirants :) "Relatable" - well to me these days...
Anyway furthest north I usually get is Milton Keynes :)
It would be a lot better if Sagasu Running just stuck to talking about shoes, because his training is an absolute mess. A year ago, he was seriously saying he might maybe aim for a 1:20 half marathon… thankfully, 1:30 now sounds a lot more realistic. He even had a chart on YouTube where he claimed his marathon pace was 4:14/km and his easy pace 4:49/km. Supposedly, his interval pace is 3:26/km. Then you look at his Strava, and even holding 4:00/km for a single kilometer looks like pure agony. His so-called “easy pace” is faster than what many elite runners use for recovery runs. And his marathon PR? 3:53. What the hell? It doesn’t help that he’s unbearably arrogant, bragging about running in Nike Victory spikes like he’s Ingebrigtsen.
My recent marathon pace was 3:45/km and I run most easy runs around 5:00/km. Another example of people who flex their easy pace like it matters but can’t run a decent time in a race. Marathon pace and easy pace should not be that close together. But this guy barely trains and has a 3:53 PB so good luck to him.
It would be a lot better if Sagasu Running just stuck to talking about shoes, because his training is an absolute mess. A year ago, he was seriously saying he might maybe aim for a 1:20 half marathon… thankfully, 1:30 now sounds a lot more realistic. He even had a chart on YouTube where he claimed his marathon pace was 4:14/km and his easy pace 4:49/km. Supposedly, his interval pace is 3:26/km. Then you look at his Strava, and even holding 4:00/km for a single kilometer looks like pure agony. His so-called “easy pace” is faster than what many elite runners use for recovery runs. And his marathon PR? 3:53. What the hell? It doesn’t help that he’s unbearably arrogant, bragging about running in Nike Victory spikes like he’s Ingebrigtsen.
My recent marathon pace was 3:45/km and I run most easy runs around 5:00/km. Another example of people who flex their easy pace like it matters but can’t run a decent time in a race. Marathon pace and easy pace should not be that close together. But this guy barely trains and has a 3:53 PB so good luck to him.
My recent marathon pace was 3:45/km and I run most easy runs around 5:00/km. Another example of people who flex their easy pace like it matters but can’t run a decent time in a race. Marathon pace and easy pace should not be that close together. But this guy barely trains and has a 3:53 PB so good luck to him.
Your easy pace is also far too fast.
You're saying someone capable of a 2:38 marathon (6:02/mile) should run far slower than 8:00/mile on easy runs? I think you're tripping
just watched the latest Cole G vid. Surprised to hear he's still planning on running Valencia.
Considering the video is focused on him being reflective and what worked for London and what didn't for Berlin - including ramping things up far too much and too quickly and not racing enough in the Berlin build - so why do Valencia?
He had a great XC season last year but I havent seen him race for Tonbridge at Mansfield relays (where they won) nor Liverpool and he doesn't appear to be doing the Kent XC League either which he did prior to London. So already he's not following his own advice.
There's no chance he's going to get in PB shape for Valencia (his highest mileage in last 10 weeks appears to be 70 miles, once) so why bother?
Surely it'd be better to progressively build back up, get some races in and focus on peaking for London 2026.
Yep, that doesn’t sound too fast for an easy pace, but of course, a 2:38 marathoner might well run recovery runs at 5–6 min/km. Anything starting with a 4 is more like an elite’s easy pace if you want to recover before the next session/long run. If I remember right, Jakob Ingebrigtsen used to run his easy runs at around 4:30/km.
Yep, that doesn’t sound too fast for an easy pace, but of course, a 2:38 marathoner might well run recovery runs at 5–6 min/km. Anything starting with a 4 is more like an elite’s easy pace if you want to recover before the next session/long run. If I remember right, Jakob Ingebrigtsen used to run his easy runs at around 4:30/km.
Totally agree with this. Case in point: RTJ does most of his running between 4:40 and 5:30 per km. He's one of the few who actually keeps his easy runs easy.
Contrast that with a high-36-minute 5k runner like mattruns, who does his easy runs at about 4:20 per km. Probably not too far away from where his current marathon pace would be! I don't know what it is, but there's something so grating about people running their easy runs far too fast just for Strava and Insta clout.
Yep, that doesn’t sound too fast for an easy pace, but of course, a 2:38 marathoner might well run recovery runs at 5–6 min/km. Anything starting with a 4 is more like an elite’s easy pace if you want to recover before the next session/long run. If I remember right, Jakob Ingebrigtsen used to run his easy runs at around 4:30/km.
Totally agree with this. Case in point: RTJ does most of his running between 4:40 and 5:30 per km. He's one of the few who actually keeps his easy runs easy.
Contrast that with a high-36-minute 5k runner like mattruns, who does his easy runs at about 4:20 per km. Probably not too far away from where his current marathon pace would be! I don't know what it is, but there's something so grating about people running their easy runs far too fast just for Strava and Insta clout.
I have a friend who does 5k in about 23 mins who thinks his easy pace is 5:30/km. I've tried telling him, but it does annoy me more than it should considering it has no impact on me
My recent marathon pace was 3:45/km and I run most easy runs around 5:00/km. Another example of people who flex their easy pace like it matters but can’t run a decent time in a race. Marathon pace and easy pace should not be that close together. But this guy barely trains and has a 3:53 PB so good luck to him.
Your easy pace is also far too fast.
Far too fast? I wouldn’t say so at all but what do I know, I only went from a non runner who was not coming in from a sporting background to a 2:38 marathon in 2 years doing things my own way 🤷🏻♂️
just watched the latest Cole G vid. Surprised to hear he's still planning on running Valencia.
Considering the video is focused on him being reflective and what worked for London and what didn't for Berlin - including ramping things up far too much and too quickly and not racing enough in the Berlin build - so why do Valencia?
He had a great XC season last year but I havent seen him race for Tonbridge at Mansfield relays (where they won) nor Liverpool and he doesn't appear to be doing the Kent XC League either which he did prior to London. So already he's not following his own advice.
There's no chance he's going to get in PB shape for Valencia (his highest mileage in last 10 weeks appears to be 70 miles, once) so why bother?
Surely it'd be better to progressively build back up, get some races in and focus on peaking for London 2026.
Make it make sense.
I feel for Cole and know how hard that decision is to make, but he really should back out of Valencia. Regroup for a few months and bounce back for a late spring marathon.
Speaking of West Midlands running YouTubers, can anyone confirm whether the rumour that Donato makes a habit of soiling himself at some runs/races is true? Apparently it happened at Worcester Pitchcroft parkrun in September, and again at Heaton parkrun in October. Apparently he finished the run on both occasions and didn't even blink. I can *almost* respect the brass-balled nature of it, and it seems credible since he does talk about bowel movements in his videos a lot. Oh yes!
just watched the latest Cole G vid. Surprised to hear he's still planning on running Valencia.
Considering the video is focused on him being reflective and what worked for London and what didn't for Berlin - including ramping things up far too much and too quickly and not racing enough in the Berlin build - so why do Valencia?
He had a great XC season last year but I havent seen him race for Tonbridge at Mansfield relays (where they won) nor Liverpool and he doesn't appear to be doing the Kent XC League either which he did prior to London. So already he's not following his own advice.
There's no chance he's going to get in PB shape for Valencia (his highest mileage in last 10 weeks appears to be 70 miles, once) so why bother?
Surely it'd be better to progressively build back up, get some races in and focus on peaking for London 2026.
Make it make sense.
I feel for Cole and know how hard that decision is to make, but he really should back out of Valencia. Regroup for a few months and bounce back for a late spring marathon.
I do agree that Valencia marathon should be shelved BUT and a massive BUT I think Cole video is brilliant. Some genuine humility in admitting mistakes.
Should be applauded for it and makes me think he can learn, manage and come back stronger.
On the note of easy runs I run them at 5:30/k // 8:30 mile ish, 2:24 marathoner.
I think 5:00 is probably ok for a 2:38 marathoner but potentially experiment with going slower to see if it helps sessions (it potentially might not and then just go back to the natural 5:00/k).
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I feel for Cole and know how hard that decision is to make, but he really should back out of Valencia. Regroup for a few months and bounce back for a late spring marathon.
I do agree that Valencia marathon should be shelved BUT and a massive BUT I think Cole video is brilliant. Some genuine humility in admitting mistakes.
Should be applauded for it and makes me think he can learn, manage and come back stronger.
On the note of easy runs I run them at 5:30/k // 8:30 mile ish, 2:24 marathoner.
I think 5:00 is probably ok for a 2:38 marathoner but potentially experiment with going slower to see if it helps sessions (it potentially might not and then just go back to the natural 5:00/k).
I'd agree, I was surprised to see it, but it was a very truthful video about what went wrong and I'm glad he addressed it rather than disappearing like others do after a bad result.
I do think Valencia is an odd one, it was his goal until the start fitness / adidas link up turned his head.
I don't think they did him any favours as Valencia was his initial post London goal. He then started to beat himself up to get in shape because he was "a pro" now.
Hopefully he uses Valencia as a long run in the sun and focuses his energy on London again.
I'd agree, I was surprised to see it, but it was a very truthful video about what went wrong and I'm glad he addressed it rather than disappearing like others do after a bad result.
I do think Valencia is an odd one, it was his goal until the start fitness / adidas link up turned his head.
I don't think they did him any favours as Valencia was his initial post London goal. He then started to beat himself up to get in shape because he was "a pro" now.
Hopefully he uses Valencia as a long run in the sun and focuses his energy on London again.
Yep, unless there's some good finanical incentives im not sure why he's doing a marathon in 3 weeks. His mileage has been low recently (which is good, it can take time to recover from the underfueling he put himself through), but why rush back into a marathon, even if you're not going all out. I might be biased, his videos aren't really for me - probably because i think osteopaths are quacks
I feel for Cole and know how hard that decision is to make, but he really should back out of Valencia. Regroup for a few months and bounce back for a late spring marathon.
I do agree that Valencia marathon should be shelved BUT and a massive BUT I think Cole video is brilliant. Some genuine humility in admitting mistakes.
Should be applauded for it and makes me think he can learn, manage and come back stronger.
On the note of easy runs I run them at 5:30/k // 8:30 mile ish, 2:24 marathoner.
I think 5:00 is probably ok for a 2:38 marathoner but potentially experiment with going slower to see if it helps sessions (it potentially might not and then just go back to the natural 5:00/k).
All this talk about what's a "too fast" or "too slow" easy pace is pretty irrelevant without knowing total weekly mileage. John Korir sometimes does runs at 9:00/mi as a 2:02 guy, but he's running like 150mpw. Someone running 2:38 off 50mpw is going to have different easy pace needs than someone running 2:38 off 80mpw. You can do your easy runs a lot faster if you're not doing as much mileage, and if you're not planning on cranking the mileage up then keeping them on the slightly faster side is probably more beneficial than taking them at a slow jog.
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