Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

first off, Romney and McCain did not campaign on white identity and white fear. It was there in a material way, but those two did not try to scare the bejeezus out of white people like Trump did. Trump's campaign could not have existed without his exploitation of white fear. and we are 4,8 years down the road and white people are feeling more scared than in the past. and to flip it around, the reason Obama won is that black turnout was heavy for him. Because he was black. Black turnout was lightish for HRC and that gave the election to drumpf. So I could also say 'great job black people' sarcastically, but at least they voted for HRC. White people voted for Trump. They did this.

Conundrum wrote:

Well there is that element without question but there are other reasons why Hillary lost too. And remember a number of whites voted against Trump. And if the racist vote was as strong as you imply would Obama have been elected twice with the majority of votes he received?I

eric a blair wrote:

well it was a bit of an unnecessary cheap shot

but it needs to be said that Trump campaigned on white identity politics and millions of his voters responded exactly to that. That's a major part of the point of history we are living through. tens of millions of angry white people, falling into majority minority status and worried that they are losing their culture and country.

sweeping that under the carpet is just another form of lying.

eric a blair wrote:

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great job white people. clap. clap. clap.

I'll bet you still don't understand why Trump won.

Yes the vox piece does explain that campaign finance law pretty clearly. It is illegal to solicit something of value for a campaign from a foreign national. He might try to argue he didn't know the person was a foreign national, but that won't fly.Not as serious as accepting money but technically his behavior was illegal. Trump is denying any knowledge of this meeting. It was held in Trump towers with his son, son-in-law and Manafort and he didn't know? Anyone really believe that?

eric a blair wrote:

read the Vox piece. Just the act of soliciting a thing of value from a foreigner is a crime for a campaign. Junior said to the world he went to the meeting to solicit a thing of value.

And maybe manafort and Kushner are guilty too.

what a mess.

Conundrum wrote:

What law is he specifically breaking? For it to be collusion, it would need to be a secret (true) or illegal meeting to defraud or cheat someone ( not sure about the last part)

Or is there another law about receiving campaign contributions from a foreign country......even that might be a stretch.

Certainly particularly with the lies leading up to it. It all just adds to the stench.

Conundrum wrote:

Yes the vox piece does explain that campaign finance law pretty clearly. It is illegal to solicit something of value for a campaign from a foreign national. He might try to argue he didn't know the person was a foreign national, but that won't fly.

Not as serious as accepting money but technically his behavior was illegal. Trump is denying any knowledge of this meeting. It was held in Trump towers with his son, son-in-law and Manafort and he didn't know? Anyone really believe that?

The sad thing is, I really do believe that, because if the behavior of WH aides is any indication, Trump is only vaguely aware of what is going on around him.

DiscoGary wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

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great job white people. clap. clap. clap.

I'll bet you still don't understand why Trump won.

You would lose that bet

it was mostly a revolt against coastal PCness and coastal elites

with a strong dose of white nationalism

and a dusting of a desire for change no matter what the change was.

and a media hellbent on ratings, which gave trump billions of free press and huge negative headlines for HRC that turned out to be next to nothing.

So...mostly culture wars but other things too

eric a blair wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

I'll bet you still don't understand why Trump won.

You would lose that bet

it was mostly a revolt against coastal PCness and coastal elites

with a strong dose of white nationalism

and a dusting of a desire for change no matter what the change was.

and a media hellbent on ratings, which gave trump billions of free press and huge negative headlines for HRC that turned out to be next to nothing.

So...mostly culture wars but other things too

Wrong. It was a lot of people who are tired of being called racist.

DiscoGary wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

You would lose that bet

it was mostly a revolt against coastal PCness and coastal elites

with a strong dose of white nationalism

and a dusting of a desire for change no matter what the change was.

and a media hellbent on ratings, which gave trump billions of free press and huge negative headlines for HRC that turned out to be next to nothing.

So...mostly culture wars but other things too

Wrong. It was a lot of people who are tired of being called racist.

that falls under the 'revolt against coastal PCness' category

and you are wrong not to list other factors.

Count Chocula wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

Yes the vox piece does explain that campaign finance law pretty clearly. It is illegal to solicit something of value for a campaign from a foreign national. He might try to argue he didn't know the person was a foreign national, but that won't fly.

Not as serious as accepting money but technically his behavior was illegal. Trump is denying any knowledge of this meeting. It was held in Trump towers with his son, son-in-law and Manafort and he didn't know? Anyone really believe that?

The sad thing is, I really do believe that, because if the behavior of WH aides is any indication, Trump is only vaguely aware of what is going on around him.

trump is above all things a survivor. Note that he is not defending junior. he has defended everyone else who got in trouble, but he seems to sense that this one is not a winning cause. Throwing your own son under the bus.

So far, anyway.

But I'd generally agree that Trump knows nothing and doesn't want to know anything. That is how he consistently gets away with so many crimes. He doesn't use email for that sort of reason.

Really sounds like a crime family, where the Don is untouchable, but the munchkins take the heat.

eric a blair wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Wrong. It was a lot of people who are tired of being called racist.

that falls under the 'revolt against coastal PCness' category

and you are wrong not to list other factors.

Close, but PC is not quite the same as flat out calling a whole group of people racists. There were other factors no doubt, but if the left hadn't continued with the constant drumbeat of accusing everyone on the right of being racist, of being in the Basket of Irredeemable Deplorables, then there is no way Trump wins.

If you on the left would just stop doing that one thing, then many people would take another look at the Democrat party as a viable option. But you can't stop, because you need a villain and whites are ALWAYS the villain. So good luck with that.

The lying and the moral outrage from the Trump campaign has been ridiculous. Donald Trump Jr. is a slimeball. Like father like son.

There needs to be jail time.

Honestly I'm amazed that he released this. I get that maybe nothing of substance came from the meeting, but this doesn't look good. He says that "she said publicly that she is not a government official" but in the emails Rob Goldstone calls her "the Russian government attorney".

Regardless of whether she is or is not, she was clearly identified ahead of time as a government official, and that should have been a cause for concern.

Gary, you ah do know that all the candidates the Dems fielded in 2016 were white?

HRC, Sanders, the Baltimore guy.

But I am not 100% disagreeing with you - I think we are describing the same problem in different ways. Repubs see the GOP as the white person's party and they see the Dems as the brown persons party.

As for why that happens...complicated stew.

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my first take on this is that junior is jealous of Kushner and trying to take jared down with him.

junior's email chain seems to say that the info was from the Russian gov't...and jared was cc'd on the email.

voila.

Both going to trial.

DiscoGary wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

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great job white people. clap. clap. clap.

I'll bet you still don't understand why Trump won.

WH in meltdown mode again... bunch of amateur cowboys trying to play outlaws. MSM killing them

for those of you not paying attention, junior just admitted he and jared knew the info was from the Russian government and that it was meant to help trump and hurt HRC.

holy Toledo what a dumass.

'collusion? yes, you're dam right I colluded!'

junior's lawyer is banging his head against the wall right now.

trumpers. When do you walk away from this crime family? when? now?

As expected, the Trump family = real reality TV. Wealthy, sure... but still a bunch of white trash.

eric a blair wrote:

my first take on this is that junior is jealous of Kushner and trying to take jared down with him.

junior's email chain seems to say that the info was from the Russian gov't...and jared was cc'd on the email.

voila.

Both going to trial.

eric a blair wrote:

for those of you not paying attention, junior just admitted he and jared knew the info was from the Russian government and that it was meant to help trump and hurt HRC.

holy Toledo what a dumass.

'collusion? yes, you're dam right I colluded!'

junior's lawyer is banging his head against the wall right now.

trumpers. When do you walk away from this crime family? when? now?

This is exactly what McCain did when he got the "Trump dossier" from Russians during the campaign. Please, please, please take this opportunity to run McCain out of office for colluding with the Russians.

Those "Meteorite in 2016" bumper stickers had it right.

We have a drug epidemic that's going beyond crack in the 80s, the gov is trashing the earth, and white trash criminals are working with Russia in the White House.

This is what you wanted, Repubs?

(Yes, I'm holding Trump for oxy, since AG Sessions can take action, and they're instead throwing a match on the fire.)