Lots of drama today. Liked how Collins went for it and tried to figure out how the decision was made to point out Nunes in the report... Got nothing from his attempt and then yielded a huge chunk of his time to someone else to kill time... no fast talking, nothing important to point, just waste time to get this over with.
Trollminator wrote:
Lots of drama today. Liked how Collins went for it and tried to figure out how the decision was made to point out Nunes in the report... Got nothing from his attempt and then yielded a huge chunk of his time to someone else to kill time... no fast talking, nothing important to point, just waste time to get this over with.
Of course our dead beat prez won’t be recognizing his admin’s own findings:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/09/politics/ig-horowitz-report-russia-trump/index.htmlThe reviews are in & trump can’t handle the conclusion that FBI had every reason to investigate trump (still does!).
Barr said the investigation had the “thinnest” of justifications. Well, anything would seem thin compared to him.
Stephanie Grisham was unhappy, too, but she couldn’t use sara huckabee’s line about how the FBI rank-and-file had lost confidence in the leadership, since ol’ sara already admitted to Mueller it was a lie.
jesseriley wrote:
The reviews are in & trump can’t handle the conclusion that FBI had every reason to investigate trump (still does!).
Barr said the investigation had the “thinnest” of justifications. Well, anything would seem thin compared to him.
Stephanie Grisham was unhappy, too, but she couldn’t use sara huckabee’s line about how the FBI rank-and-file had lost confidence in the leadership, since ol’ sara already admitted to Mueller it was a lie.
Read more than just headlines, morans. The Report actually confirms that everything we've been saying happened, really happened. Regardless of subjective "bias" or "political motivation" (almost impossible to prove), the FBI's FISA application procedures were all BS. See below. We TOLD YOU SO. That's why there was ZERO indictments against Page, and ZERO indictments for any Russian collusion against anyone in the Trump campaign. It was ALL BS.
"The Justice Department’s office of the inspector general found “significant inaccuracies” in the FBI’s applications for warrants to conduct surveillance against a Trump campaign adviser."
"The FBI obtained additional information raising significant questions about the reliability of the Steele election reporting, the FBI failed to reassess the Steele reporting relied upon in the FISA applications.”
The IG also found that FBI investigators failed to disclose information that “was inconsistent with, or undercut, the assertions contained in the FISA applications.” The omissions “resulted in inaccurate information being included in the applications,” the report says.
The report also reveals that the FBI and Justice Department’s lawyers rejected an initial effort from FBI investigators to apply for FISA warrants against Page because they believed there was not probable cause to believe that he was a Russian agent. But the FBI revisited the FISA applications after portions of Steele’s dossier made their way to FBI investigators on Sept. 19, 2016.
That finding seemingly undercuts some former FBI officials’ attempts to downplay the dossier’s significance to the FISA applications.
Attorney General William Barr issued a statement shortly before the release of the report, saying the report “now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.”
SiIly WilIy wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
The reviews are in & trump can’t handle the conclusion that FBI had every reason to investigate trump (still does!).
Barr said the investigation had the “thinnest” of justifications. Well, anything would seem thin compared to him.
Stephanie Grisham was unhappy, too, but she couldn’t use sara huckabee’s line about how the FBI rank-and-file had lost confidence in the leadership, since ol’ sara already admitted to Mueller it was a lie.
Read more than just headlines, morans. The Report actually confirms that everything we've been saying happened, really happened. Regardless of subjective "bias" or "political motivation" (almost impossible to prove), the FBI's FISA application procedures were all BS. See below. We TOLD YOU SO. That's why there was ZERO indictments against Page, and ZERO indictments for any Russian collusion against anyone in the Trump campaign. It was ALL BS.
"The Justice Department’s office of the inspector general found “significant inaccuracies” in the FBI’s applications for warrants to conduct surveillance against a Trump campaign adviser."
"The FBI obtained additional information raising significant questions about the reliability of the Steele election reporting, the FBI failed to reassess the Steele reporting relied upon in the FISA applications.”
The IG also found that FBI investigators failed to disclose information that “was inconsistent with, or undercut, the assertions contained in the FISA applications.” The omissions “resulted in inaccurate information being included in the applications,” the report says.
The report also reveals that the FBI and Justice Department’s lawyers rejected an initial effort from FBI investigators to apply for FISA warrants against Page because they believed there was not probable cause to believe that he was a Russian agent. But the FBI revisited the FISA applications after portions of Steele’s dossier made their way to FBI investigators on Sept. 19, 2016.
That finding seemingly undercuts some former FBI officials’ attempts to downplay the dossier’s significance to the FISA applications.
Attorney General William Barr issued a statement shortly before the release of the report, saying the report “now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.”
"William Barr" . . . enough said.
Good DOG, you are a moron!
Translation: Barr found no crime, so he just whined.
Barr could become a theater critic, since he’s sure we all want to know his opinion.
SiIly WilIy wrote:
Read more than just headlines, morans. The Report actually confirms that everything we've been saying happened, really happened. Regardless of subjective "bias" or "political motivation" (almost impossible to prove), the FBI's FISA application procedures were all BS. See below. We TOLD YOU SO. That's why there was ZERO indictments against Page, and ZERO indictments for any Russian collusion against anyone in the Trump campaign. It was ALL BS.
"The Justice Department’s office of the inspector general found “significant inaccuracies” in the FBI’s applications for warrants to conduct surveillance against a Trump campaign adviser."
"The FBI obtained additional information raising significant questions about the reliability of the Steele election reporting, the FBI failed to reassess the Steele reporting relied upon in the FISA applications.”
The IG also found that FBI investigators failed to disclose information that “was inconsistent with, or undercut, the assertions contained in the FISA applications.” The omissions “resulted in inaccurate information being included in the applications,” the report says.
The report also reveals that the FBI and Justice Department’s lawyers rejected an initial effort from FBI investigators to apply for FISA warrants against Page because they believed there was not probable cause to believe that he was a Russian agent. But the FBI revisited the FISA applications after portions of Steele’s dossier made their way to FBI investigators on Sept. 19, 2016.
That finding seemingly undercuts some former FBI officials’ attempts to downplay the dossier’s significance to the FISA applications.
Attorney General William Barr issued a statement shortly before the release of the report, saying the report “now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.”
Shut up dope.
Released on Monday, that’s not what Horowitz’s report found. Central claims, including that the investigation was predicated on bias against Trump or use of the flawed Steele dossier, were rejected explicitly. The investigation into whether people on Trump’s campaign were coordinating with a Russian interference effort was predicated solely on information passed to the FBI from the Australian government, for example. While Strzok had a leadership role at the FBI, the launch of the main investigation and investigations into individuals associated with the campaign (including Page) was authorized broadly within the bureau and with sufficient evidence to do so. Nor was there evidence that the FBI used informants to interact with the campaign before the opening of the investigation.
Smorbun wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Dude, you are reaching. Just stop. I don't care who Axios selects as their graphics provider. Axios is left leaning and at the end of the day still oversample democrats. Get used to hearing "Four more years!"
KAG2020
You are an idiot. It matters who the polling was done by, not the one reporting it. You are a d*mbass. How do you even care for yourself being so stupid?
You believe in every Clownpole prediction he ever made- what does that does make you?
You lose.
Your Dem nominee will lose.
KAG2020
Should REALLY be noted wrote:
SiIly WilIy wrote:
Read more than just headlines, morans. The Report actually confirms that everything we've been saying happened, really happened. Regardless of subjective "bias" or "political motivation" (almost impossible to prove), the FBI's FISA application procedures were all BS. See below. We TOLD YOU SO. That's why there was ZERO indictments against Page, and ZERO indictments for any Russian collusion against anyone in the Trump campaign. It was ALL BS.
"The Justice Department’s office of the inspector general found “significant inaccuracies” in the FBI’s applications for warrants to conduct surveillance against a Trump campaign adviser."
"The FBI obtained additional information raising significant questions about the reliability of the Steele election reporting, the FBI failed to reassess the Steele reporting relied upon in the FISA applications.”
The IG also found that FBI investigators failed to disclose information that “was inconsistent with, or undercut, the assertions contained in the FISA applications.” The omissions “resulted in inaccurate information being included in the applications,” the report says.
The report also reveals that the FBI and Justice Department’s lawyers rejected an initial effort from FBI investigators to apply for FISA warrants against Page because they believed there was not probable cause to believe that he was a Russian agent. But the FBI revisited the FISA applications after portions of Steele’s dossier made their way to FBI investigators on Sept. 19, 2016.
That finding seemingly undercuts some former FBI officials’ attempts to downplay the dossier’s significance to the FISA applications.
Attorney General William Barr issued a statement shortly before the release of the report, saying the report “now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.”
"William Barr" . . . enough said.
Good DOG, you are a moron!
Yep. IG says that while there were problems (there will ALWAYS be something wrong when there's an investigation like this), nothing illegal was done and that the investigation was justified.
Rigged's stupid Barr Tab isn't coming due. You Trump supporters should all be ashamed of yourselves. Anti-Americans, all of you.
SiIly WilIy wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
The reviews are in & trump can’t handle the conclusion that FBI had every reason to investigate trump (still does!).
Barr said the investigation had the “thinnest” of justifications. Well, anything would seem thin compared to him.
Stephanie Grisham was unhappy, too, but she couldn’t use sara huckabee’s line about how the FBI rank-and-file had lost confidence in the leadership, since ol’ sara already admitted to Mueller it was a lie.
Read more than just headlines, morans. The Report actually confirms that everything we've been saying happened, really happened. Regardless of subjective "bias" or "political motivation" (almost impossible to prove), the FBI's FISA application procedures were all BS. See below. We TOLD YOU SO. That's why there was ZERO indictments against Page, and ZERO indictments for any Russian collusion against anyone in the Trump campaign. It was ALL BS.
"The Justice Department’s office of the inspector general found “significant inaccuracies” in the FBI’s applications for warrants to conduct surveillance against a Trump campaign adviser."
"The FBI obtained additional information raising significant questions about the reliability of the Steele election reporting, the FBI failed to reassess the Steele reporting relied upon in the FISA applications.”
The IG also found that FBI investigators failed to disclose information that “was inconsistent with, or undercut, the assertions contained in the FISA applications.” The omissions “resulted in inaccurate information being included in the applications,” the report says.
The report also reveals that the FBI and Justice Department’s lawyers rejected an initial effort from FBI investigators to apply for FISA warrants against Page because they believed there was not probable cause to believe that he was a Russian agent. But the FBI revisited the FISA applications after portions of Steele’s dossier made their way to FBI investigators on Sept. 19, 2016.
That finding seemingly undercuts some former FBI officials’ attempts to downplay the dossier’s significance to the FISA applications.
Attorney General William Barr issued a statement shortly before the release of the report, saying the report “now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.”
I've got to say I'm pleasantly surprised by how damning this report is for the former FBI leadership. I thought it was going to be whitewashed completely, with the blame falling all on one poor, lowly FBI lawyer. Horowitz' testimony on Wednesday will be fun to watch him squirm on how despite pointing out so many fraudulent activities, that he couldn't determine if there was any political motivation. LOL!
1) The "at least 17 significant inaccuracies and omissions"- that ALL just happen to break toward the objective of continuing spying on Page (LOL!)- in the FISA applications looks real bad, and obviously is a case of political motivation.
2) The inspector general found that the FBI did not have any specific information corroborating allegations against Page from Steele's dossier From the report: "the FBI was unable to corroborate any of the specific substantive allegations against Carter Page contained in the election reporting and relied on in the FISA applications, and was only able to confirm the accuracy of a limited number of circumstantial facts, most of which were in the public domain." Yet, the FISA was approved 4 times.
3) According to the report, former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said that if the FBI had information about the Clinton campaign and the DNC funding Steele’s reporting, he "would have expected the FBI to revise the language to be more explicit." Ya think?! LOL
4) "Much of that information was inconsistent with, or undercut, the assertions contained in the FISA applications that were used to support probable cause, and in some instances, resulted in inaccurate information being included in the applications," the report said, adding that the inspector general believed it was "the obligation" of those agents aware of the information to share it so that "decision makers had the opportunity to consider it, both for their own assessment of probable cause and for consideration of whether to include the information in the applications so that the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] received a complete and accurate recitation of the relevant facts."
But, because those FBI officials on Crossfire Hurricane failed to do so, officials at the Justice Department who reviewed one or more of the Page applications and renewals -- including former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, ex-Acting Attorney General Dana Boente, and former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein -- "did not have accurate and complete information at the time they approved the applications." OUCH. You mean, they weren't being honest? LOL
5) HUGE: Horowitz found that the Trump campaign was not given a defensive briefing — which would take place when U.S. government or corporate officials were being targeted by a foreign adversary and the FBI determined the officials needed to be alerted to the potential threat.
FBI officials decided not to give the campaign that briefing, saying it would create the risk that "if someone on the campaign was engaged with the Russians, he/she would very likely change his/her tactics and/or otherwise seek to cover-up his/her activities, thereby preventing us from finding the truth." This is something I've been saying since 2017. It's completely inexplicable that they didn't tell Trump about their supposed "suspicions".
6) HUGE HUGE: The inspector general revealed that the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane team indeed used "Confidential Human Sources" to contact and record conversations with Page, Papadopoulos and another "high-level" campaign official who was not a subject of the probe.
"All of these interactions were consensually monitored and recorded by the FBI," the report stated, noting that the recorded interactions took place before and after Page and Papadopoulos were advisers on the campaign.
Horowitz determined that the use of confidential human sources "complied" with the requirement that "investigative activities be conducted for an authorized purpose."
But, the report revealed that the Crossfire Hurricane team omitted several key statements made by Page and Papadopoulos during those recorded interactions. The report revealed that Page made statements to the confidential human source that "would have, if true, contradicted the notion that Page was conspiring with Russia" and "that contradicted the Steele reporting received by the team."
7) DURHAM, baby: "I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff," Durham said. "However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S." Inside and outside the U.S., you say? NO WAY! LOL!
Mueller NOPE.
Clownpole DOPE.
Barr & Durham now have the evidence of what happened... AND THEY'RE COMING!
Translation: no crime, but barr can’t admit he was wrong.
Flagpole wrote:
Should REALLY be noted wrote:
"William Barr" . . . enough said.
Good DOG, you are a moron!
Yep. IG says that while there were problems (there will ALWAYS be something wrong when there's an investigation like this), nothing illegal was done and that the investigation was justified.
Rigged's stupid Barr Tab isn't coming due. You Trump supporters should all be ashamed of yourselves. Anti-Americans, all of you.
Haha! Yeah, yeah, "there's always 'problems'". GTFOH.
Read the FACTS of what happened in this report (constant errors?!- come on, dude), and the FACT that Comey and Page said that there was ZERO evidence of collusion by the time of the Special Counsel appointment, and the FACT that Mueller concluded there was ZERO collusion, and then honestly state that you think the FBI leadership wasn't spying on the Trump campaign.
You were wrong AGAIN. You still have yet to acknowledge any of this wrongdoing even occurred. The Durham investigation is a criminal investigation now, using the facts from this probe as at least a part of the basis.
The FBI F'd has been exposed for either being GROSSLY incompetent or TERRIBLY corrupt. Either way, Trump's campaign was being undermined the entire time.
Meanwhile, Mueller delivered nothing, and then bumbled his way through the most embarrassing testimony the country has ever seen.
You lost, dude. Give it up before the Durham Report comes out.
jesseriley wrote:
Translation: no crime, but barr can’t admit he was wrong.
Let's list them all out for clarity.
1) No crime.
2) No political bias or improper motivation.
3) Investigation(s) properly predicated.
4) Investigations include on Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn...ALL investigations properly opened on facts.
Trumpers are fools believing that Barr is going to successfully come after someone.
NO stupid Barr Tab.
Mueller is still coming.
The clown is done.
SiIly WilIy wrote:
SiIly WilIy wrote:
Read more than just headlines, morans. The Report actually confirms that everything we've been saying happened, really happened. Regardless of subjective "bias" or "political motivation" (almost impossible to prove), the FBI's FISA application procedures were all BS. See below. We TOLD YOU SO. That's why there was ZERO indictments against Page, and ZERO indictments for any Russian collusion against anyone in the Trump campaign. It was ALL BS.
"The Justice Department’s office of the inspector general found “significant inaccuracies” in the FBI’s applications for warrants to conduct surveillance against a Trump campaign adviser."
"The FBI obtained additional information raising significant questions about the reliability of the Steele election reporting, the FBI failed to reassess the Steele reporting relied upon in the FISA applications.”
The IG also found that FBI investigators failed to disclose information that “was inconsistent with, or undercut, the assertions contained in the FISA applications.” The omissions “resulted in inaccurate information being included in the applications,” the report says.
The report also reveals that the FBI and Justice Department’s lawyers rejected an initial effort from FBI investigators to apply for FISA warrants against Page because they believed there was not probable cause to believe that he was a Russian agent. But the FBI revisited the FISA applications after portions of Steele’s dossier made their way to FBI investigators on Sept. 19, 2016.
That finding seemingly undercuts some former FBI officials’ attempts to downplay the dossier’s significance to the FISA applications.
Attorney General William Barr issued a statement shortly before the release of the report, saying the report “now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.”
I've got to say I'm pleasantly surprised by how damning this report is for the former FBI leadership. I thought it was going to be whitewashed completely, with the blame falling all on one poor, lowly FBI lawyer. Horowitz' testimony on Wednesday will be fun to watch him squirm on how despite pointing out so many fraudulent activities, that he couldn't determine if there was any political motivation. LOL!
1) The "at least 17 significant inaccuracies and omissions"- that ALL just happen to break toward the objective of continuing spying on Page (LOL!)- in the FISA applications looks real bad, and obviously is a case of political motivation.
2) The inspector general found that the FBI did not have any specific information corroborating allegations against Page from Steele's dossier From the report: "the FBI was unable to corroborate any of the specific substantive allegations against Carter Page contained in the election reporting and relied on in the FISA applications, and was only able to confirm the accuracy of a limited number of circumstantial facts, most of which were in the public domain." Yet, the FISA was approved 4 times.
3) According to the report, former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said that if the FBI had information about the Clinton campaign and the DNC funding Steele’s reporting, he "would have expected the FBI to revise the language to be more explicit." Ya think?! LOL
4) "Much of that information was inconsistent with, or undercut, the assertions contained in the FISA applications that were used to support probable cause, and in some instances, resulted in inaccurate information being included in the applications," the report said, adding that the inspector general believed it was "the obligation" of those agents aware of the information to share it so that "decision makers had the opportunity to consider it, both for their own assessment of probable cause and for consideration of whether to include the information in the applications so that the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] received a complete and accurate recitation of the relevant facts."
But, because those FBI officials on Crossfire Hurricane failed to do so, officials at the Justice Department who reviewed one or more of the Page applications and renewals -- including former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, ex-Acting Attorney General Dana Boente, and former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein -- "did not have accurate and complete information at the time they approved the applications." OUCH. You mean, they weren't being honest? LOL
5) HUGE: Horowitz found that the Trump campaign was not given a defensive briefing — which would take place when U.S. government or corporate officials were being targeted by a foreign adversary and the FBI determined the officials needed to be alerted to the potential threat.
FBI officials decided not to give the campaign that briefing, saying it would create the risk that "if someone on the campaign was engaged with the Russians, he/she would very likely change his/her tactics and/or otherwise seek to cover-up his/her activities, thereby preventing us from finding the truth." This is something I've been saying since 2017. It's completely inexplicable that they didn't tell Trump about their supposed "suspicions".
6) HUGE HUGE: The inspector general revealed that the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane team indeed used "Confidential Human Sources" to contact and record conversations with Page, Papadopoulos and another "high-level" campaign official who was not a subject of the probe.
"All of these interactions were consensually monitored and recorded by the FBI," the report stated, noting that the recorded interactions took place before and after Page and Papadopoulos were advisers on the campaign.
Horowitz determined that the use of confidential human sources "complied" with the requirement that "investigative activities be conducted for an authorized purpose."
But, the report revealed that the Crossfire Hurricane team omitted several key statements made by Page and Papadopoulos during those recorded interactions. The report revealed that Page made statements to the confidential human source that "would have, if true, contradicted the notion that Page was conspiring with Russia" and "that contradicted the Steele reporting received by the team."
7) DURHAM, baby: "I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff," Durham said. "However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S." Inside and outside the U.S., you say? NO WAY! LOL!
Mueller NOPE.
Clownpole DOPE.
Barr & Durham now have the evidence of what happened... AND THEY'RE COMING!
Regardless of your political tribesmanship, if you read these facts - aka "things that happened" - with an open mind and it doesn't make you pause about why we hold our intel community in such high regard, you're being dishonest.
How could all of these things - all major "fuk ups" - happen in such a short period. It's absurd to believe there was no political motivation. These FBI/DOJ people aren't incompetent. They're very smart, in fact. But obviously evil as heIl.
I remember when Republicans would come here and debate on policy, national debt and such.
Now they come here just to defend Trump.
Flagpole wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
Translation: no crime, but barr can’t admit he was wrong.
Let's list them all out for clarity.
1) No crime.
2) No political bias or improper motivation.
3) Investigation(s) properly predicated.
4) Investigations include on Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn...ALL investigations properly opened on facts.
Trumpers are fools believing that Barr is going to successfully come after someone.
NO stupid Barr Tab.
Mueller is still coming.
The clown is done.
“I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff. However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened." -US Attorney John Durham
Flagpole wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
Translation: no crime, but barr can’t admit he was wrong.
Let's list them all out for clarity.
1) No crime.
2) No political bias or improper motivation.
3) Investigation(s) properly predicated.
4) Investigations include on Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn...ALL investigations properly opened on facts.
Trumpers are fools believing that Barr is going to successfully come after someone.
NO stupid Barr Tab.
Mueller is still coming.
The clown is done.
You can't be serious right now.
The Durham investigation is a CRIMINAL investigation. You know that, right? And he and Barr both made statements basically saying "stay tuned", as the Durham investigation is much wider in scope.
And you know that the IG FISA Report exposes an unbelievable amount of FBI wrongdoing, right? You really think it was all just honest mistakes?
You're heading for yet another major Flagpole man.
Durham’s being paid to investigate, gosh darn it, so he will! Shame he has to travel the world on our dime, living it up.
Do you doubt the information that Rudy Giuliani gathered in Ukraine? Supposed to be some great stuff that vindicates Russia.