BREAKING:Jama Aden's hotel in Spain raided.

His bests in the past 2 years are 3:46 for 1500m and 8:54 for the steeplechase.Do you really need PEDs to do that. Furthermore, do you go do training camps in Spain to achieve that?

Boleyn wrote:

Brit called Jermaine Mays who's spent a lot of time with Adens group even last week as his Instagram profile shows.

https://www.instagram.com/jermaine.mays/

A reasonable standard steeplechaser at best and beyond the twilight of his career.

Would be very surprised if he hasn't a role here in exposing the group to the IAAF.

Mays is only one year older than Mo Farah and is beyond the twilight of his career.

Mo Farah is not beyond the twilight of his career.

Jermaine Mays may have weak mind disease and does not BELIEVE in his training.

That may be his problem. He does not believe.

That sounds nice.

Since you trolled me again, it's not surprising to me that your expectations are not realistic.One thing that separates this story from many of the allegations in this forum is the existence of real evidence of wrongdoing. Finally, you don't need to rely purely on your imagination and personal bad faith to fabricate unsupported allegations that someone might be involved in some kind of anti-doping violation.

Does any evidence yet show involvement of Jama Aden with doping?From the "elconfidencial" link,- EPO was only found in the room of the physiotherapist, Jama Ourid Mounir, and in the room of the athlete Musaeb Balla (perhaps belonging to his roommate, Yaser Mubarak)- The vials and syringes thrown away by Jama Aden, and recovered by the Mossos, did not contain doping products- A lab analysis of the products recovered in 2015, in a police control of the car going to Font Romeu, did not contain EPO, but contained permitted substancesDid I miss another report or news story that says Jama Aden possessed, or threw away, anything containing banned substances?To add more clarity, we still need to see what comes from:- the evidence from the seized documents, computers, phones, etc.- the results of the doping tests

Right wrote:

Another good article providing light on what was found, and how investigators worked.

http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/atletismo/2016-06-26/dopaje-sabadell-jama-aden-operacion-rial-mossos-doping_1222935/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=%5BECTwitterNocheAutomatico%5D

There is a list with the names of the athletes that could go into the track as part of Jama Aden's group. MO FARAH is IN IT!!

And here, some of the things they found in the hotel.

http://www.ecestaticos.com/image/clipping/654/5a237e845279d001d791d94d9771bff3/sabadell-dopaje-atletismo.jpg

Rekrunner, why do you think Paula is so quick to jump on the Russians yet never mentions anything where Nike or British athletes might be involved. She is the ultimate politician as far as 'Drugs' and Athletics go. Teflon, EPO drug cheats out, just ahve transfusions instead.

Well, this is a thread about Jama Aden's training group, not Paula.To keep it on topic, Paula did comment on Jama Aden here:http://sport.bt.com/more-sport-hub/more-sport/paula-radcliffe-russian-athletes-should-compete-in-neutral-colours-at-rio-2016-S11364069951268Responding "anyone proved to be associated with doping should be kept away from the sport" but "does have some sympathy with clean Russian athletes" and in the case of Jama Aden's group, "should his group be allowed to go and compete?".But since you asked what I think, your question and post seems to make some false assumptions:- Does Paula avoid commenting on British athletes? Dwain Chambers is a British athlete, and Paula had a few things to say against his participation in the 2012 Olympics.- Does Paula avoid criticizing Nike? She had a few things to say against Nike sponsoring Justin Gatlin.- I'm pretty sure Paula would be against transfusions too, being banned since 1985, and generally considered to be doping.

PR Not OK wrote:

Rekrunner, why do you think Paula is so quick to jump on the Russians yet never mentions anything where Nike or British athletes might be involved. She is the ultimate politician as far as 'Drugs' and Athletics go. Teflon, EPO drug cheats out, just ahve transfusions instead.

1) Balla the athlete who was arrested with EPO in his room is coached by Aden. If there was another athlete sharing why were they not arrested

2) Where was the physio of Aden. I know he uses a different physio but they were in a diferent country. was the arreasted physion working for the group - if not who was the on site physion - that number of top level athletes would require an onsite physio

3) Aden was arrested

4) 3rd time athlete of Jama was euither found to be or implicated in doping. One actually sadi Jama gave his the drugs and then retracted his statement. The word bung springs to mind

5) 3:50 5 seconds faster than the next possible clean athlete

1) doesn't prove Aden's involvement.

2) ?

3) overeager police. Arrest does not prove guilt.

4) coincidence. See the innocent Healing Hans.

5) a) Junxia was clearly clean!

b) even if she wasn't, 5 seconds are only 2.2%, like Paula 's 3 minutes, and no one would ever suspect Paula!!

Thanks for the response...

ukathleticscoach wrote:

1) Balla the athlete who was arrested with EPO in his room is coached by Aden. If there was another athlete sharing why were they not arrested

2) Where was the physio of Aden. I know he uses a different physio but they were in a diferent country. was the arreasted physion working for the group - if not who was the on site physion - that number of top level athletes would require an onsite physio

3) Aden was arrested

4) 3rd time athlete of Jama was euither found to be or implicated in doping. One actually sadi Jama gave his the drugs and then retracted his statement. The word bung springs to mind

5) 3:50 5 seconds faster than the next possible clean athlete

Good point. I remember a newsclip some years back about how Germany after reunification planned to manage the various East German deadly illnesses incurred from steroid use, such as cancer, heart, liver and kidney disease.

look at me wrote:

I will for sure

What you need to do is slink back to whatever dusty little 3rd world country you came from, and go away. Your lies and defense of a liar are embarrassing.

Sick of your lies wrote:

What you need to do is slink back to whatever dusty little 3rd world country you came from, and go away. Your lies and defense of a liar are embarrassing.

No wonder you're sick, with that attitude.

MartyC wrote:

Good point. I remember a newsclip some years back about how Germany after reunification planned to manage the various East German deadly illnesses incurred from steroid use, such as cancer, heart, liver and kidney disease.

Excellent point. One example of the many reports:

And yet, Germany continued to idolize their "DDR" stars like Krabbe and Breuer in the 90s (and Ullrich of course). Even their coaches like Springstein. Well, as long as they were winning without getting caught, that is.

Any new news?

Dibaba, Souleiman and Kaki to run in Barcelona on Thursday

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Ban them all wrote:

Dibaba, Souleiman and Kaki to run in Barcelona on Thursday

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ABSOLUTE DISGRACE! GET THEM OFF A TRACK!

why?

I don't understand why people care about doping so much. Every althlete, since the Nazis invented amphetamines, has doped. To me, only an idiot wouldn't dope. Winners dope. Losers don't. This is just a fact. It's that simple. A large part of human intelligence is about being resourceful in this life. You do what you must to put food on the table, to survive, to win. This is a dog eats dog world and it truely is "survival of the fittest". A resourceful person uses his surroundings to achieve his goals and to increase the liklihood of survival.

And the reality is that PEDs don't create Olympic athletes. They simply enhance one's genetic ability. But not massively. You still have to work extraordinarily hard to be an Olympian. You also have to have premium DNA. PEDs will do absolutely nothing for most of the population. I don't think people fully understand how PEDs work. They simply make you a better verision of yourself. But if you were crappy to begin with, you're always going to be crappy.

It's like when I took Adderall before my MCAT. I boosted my score from a 36 to 38, which frankly is the difference between going to Harvard Medical and not going to Harvard Medical. Did I cheat? No way. I studied my ass off for a year straight. I was simply being resourceful. And I now make more money, am more successful, and have a ridiculously hot wife, all because I took a little blue pill. So of this is true, then only a moron wouldn't take Adderall before taking fhe MCAT.

People that are high achievers are always going to be pushing the envelope to win. They'll do what they must to be the best. But to the say that these people cheated is just ridiculous.

Man, it used to be standard practice for Olympic athletes to do a couple lines of booger sugar before their events. We've come a long ways since those days. We've never had so little cheating in the history of humanity. The world has never been more fair. And people that think athletes in the past didn't cheat are delusional.

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BodyI don't understand why people care about doping so much. Every althlete, since the Nazis invented amphetamines, has doped. To me, only an idiot wouldn't dope. Winners dope. Losers don't. This is just a fact. It's that simple. A large part of human intelligence is about being resourceful in this life. You do what you must to put food on the table, to survive, to win. This is a dog eats dog world and it truely is "survival of the fittest". A resourceful person uses his surroundings to achieve his goals and to increase the liklihood of survival.

And the reality is that PEDs don't create Olympic athletes. They simply enhance one's genetics ability. But not massively. You still have to work extraordinarily hard to be an Olympian. You also have to have premium DNA. PEDs will do absolutely nothing for most of the population. I don't think people fully understand how PEDs work. They simply make you a better verision of yourself. But if you were crappy to begin with, you're always going to be crappy.

It's like when I took Adderall before my MCAT. I boosted my score from a 36 to 38, which frankly is the difference between going to Harvard Medical and not going to Harvard Medical. Did I cheat? No way. I studied my ass off for a year straight. I was simply being resourceful. And I now make more money, am more successful, and have a ridiculously hot wife, all because I took a little blue pill. So of this is true, then only a moron wouldn't take Adderall before taking fhe MCAT.

People that are high achievers are always going to be pushing the envelope to win. They'll do what they must to be the best. But to the say that these people cheated is just ridiculous.

Man, it used to be standard practice for Olympic athletes to do a couple lines of booger sugar before their events. We've come a long ways since those days. We've never had so little cheating in the history of humanity. The world has never been more fair. And people that think athletes in the past didn't cheat are delusional.