Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Fat hurts wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

What Utter garbage. "Studies show that poor college students often drop out because they are only a few HUNDRED DOLLARS SHORT." What garbage. Please show these "studies" because what you are saying is nonsense. NONSENSE. Poor students can afford $10,000 in tuition each semester but they will drop out because they don't have $200? Seriously dude? Please stop with the nonsense.

Yes, seriously. A lot of poor students might get full tuition and be able to attend freshman year but later find that books and fees force them to drop out.

Go google it yourself. You will find that some schools have been able to dramatically raise their graduation rates by identifying these students and helping them out with small grants or loans. I'll give you a hint to get you started. Georgia State University has been a pioneer in these kinds of programs.

Fats is right - the first generation college kids don't generally pay much tuition at all so that's not the problem. The problem is learning to live away from home, dealing with smallish monetary setbacks, learning how to talk to a professor or staffer, etc. Many colleges have 'first generation' programs to help get over these small bumps that can take a student out.

Flagpole wrote:

I taught an English class at a Community College for one semester, and it was shocking. 15 students in the class, and about 4 had the skills to be a college student. There were students in that class who didn't have 5th grade writing skills. These are the types of students that free college will attract.

I'm impressed that these young people who struggled with school in the past would have the tenacity to go back to school and keep trying to better themselves.

It's a shame they didn't have a teacher who believed in them and thought all they should do with their lives is dig ditches.

1) I would like to see those studies. Most colleges will work with a student and wouldn't have them drop out due to being a couple hundred dollars short.

2) I already answered the technical/vocational school thing...they almost NEVER talk about that. Here it is again - "Doesn't matter than some trade schools will be able to be paid for also. Warren and Sanders keep harping on it because of huge "college debt". We all know what that means. Further marginalizing those who don't get a 4-year degree."

3) There is no guarantee their program will make sure the students are qualified to do the work. That's supposed to be what a college admission is for, and that doesn't work. If their plans have such a thing, they need to talk about it.

4) When a politician says "free college" and doesn't give any qualifications, that to me means there are none. My assumption is they would leave it up to the individual colleges to admit or not, and Community Colleges will admit anyone with a high school diploma, and many colleges will do that too.

X-Runner wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I taught an English class at a Community College for one semester, and it was shocking. 15 students in the class, and about 4 had the skills to be a college student. There were students in that class who didn't have 5th grade writing skills. These are the types of students that free college will attract.

I'm impressed that these young people who struggled with school in the past would have the tenacity to go back to school and keep trying to better themselves.

It's a shame they didn't have a teacher who believed in them and thought all they should do with their lives is dig ditches.

You have to face reality. There is a bare minimum level of ability that is required to be successful in a college classroom. Some colleges will admit students on the condition that they take remedial classes and pass. If they can't pass those classes, that has nothing to do with a professor not believing in them. Many kids who go to Community College do so because they couldn't get admitted to a 4-year college. It is, in effect, a remedial program for them. MOST can't handle the work. Statistics bear that out. Has nothing to do with whether I believed in them or not.

Also, there are a lot of jobs that don't require a college degree that aren't digging ditches.

You can have a full life without a college degree. That is part of my point. Drive a truck, manage a restaurant, become a plumber, etc. Most people should not go to college. We need to value the work of those who don't.

Flagpole wrote:

4) When a politician says "free college" and doesn't give any qualifications, that to me means there are none. My assumption is they would leave it up to the individual colleges to admit or not, and Community Colleges will admit anyone with a high school diploma, and many colleges will do that too.

That's exactly my point. You are making an assumption.

I share many of the same concerns as you. But a massive program like the Warren and Sanders plan would get a lot of scrutiny before passage. It is very likely that your concerns would be addressed just as they are in other nations that provide free college.

Unfortunately, all candidates fail in the "details" department. But Warren and Sanders actually do better than most.

Flagpole wrote:

Most people should not go to college. We need to value the work of those who don't.

Hear, hear. I agree with both statements--so long as people understand that "most" means a majority (more than 50%) and does not imply a *great* majority (more than 90%, say).

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

4) When a politician says "free college" and doesn't give any qualifications, that to me means there are none. My assumption is they would leave it up to the individual colleges to admit or not, and Community Colleges will admit anyone with a high school diploma, and many colleges will do that too.

That's exactly my point. You are making an assumption.

I share many of the same concerns as you. But a massive program like the Warren and Sanders plan would get a lot of scrutiny before passage. It is very likely that your concerns would be addressed just as they are in other nations that provide free college.

Unfortunately, all candidates fail in the "details" department. But Warren and Sanders actually do better than most.

I think the point is, Warren and Bernie would gain 5 points in the polls if they just said, "Free college tuition and books for all, as long as you maintain a B-average, and go in-state to a public school. Subsidized or free room and board if you live in the dorms."

Many upper-class kids would still choose to live off-campus.

Most wealthy kids would still probably choose to go to a private school or out of state. They already do.

Thank for continuing to make my point.

You are either an idiot or a troll. There are no other choices.

Jo R. wrote:

Thank for continuing to make my point.

Making a point is something you have no concept of.

0/10 troll.

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Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

4) When a politician says "free college" and doesn't give any qualifications, that to me means there are none. My assumption is they would leave it up to the individual colleges to admit or not, and Community Colleges will admit anyone with a high school diploma, and many colleges will do that too.

That's exactly my point. You are making an assumption.

I share many of the same concerns as you. But a massive program like the Warren and Sanders plan would get a lot of scrutiny before passage. It is very likely that your concerns would be addressed just as they are in other nations that provide free college.

Unfortunately, all candidates fail in the "details" department. But Warren and Sanders actually do better than most.

They need to be clear what they mean. They both talk about the high cost of college, and how we should provide that for free. They NEVER talk about any restrictions. That to me means there aren't any. I am certain there WILL be some, but so far I have NOT heard any, I am not going to assume what they might be, so I'm not for it. I would be HAPPIER with it if a balance is wiped clean following graduating, but even there, to me it seems the wrong place to put money. I need to see how this WOULDN'T continue the trend of the haves and have nots. I see this as Democrats not understanding the disenfranchised working men and women. The blue collar guy who works in a rail yard isn't going to jump up and down for free college. EVEN IF they make a point to mention that trade schools can be used too, that isn't good enough. Those schools cost way less to attend, so the benefit isn't as great, and the college kids will make more money upon graduation, thus once again leaving those who don't go to college behind. Better to JUST pay for trade schools and try to raise the importance of those people who work those jobs. How to raise the importance? Well, pay ONLY for that to begin with.

formerly present wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Most people should not go to college. We need to value the work of those who don't.

Hear, hear. I agree with both statements--so long as people understand that "most" means a majority (more than 50%) and does not imply a *great* majority (more than 90%, say).

Correct! In today's world, in America, about half (perhaps a tad fewer) of high school graduates should attempt college at all, and then some of them won't make it...due to laziness, personal issues, etc.

PART of the reason that the Democrat Party has lost blue collar workers in recent years is the elitism displayed by the Democrats. "FREE COLLEGE" is a slap in the face to those people who work hard, who provide very necessary services but who don't have college degrees.

I have auto mechanics I respect and appreciate. I have a guy who treats my lawn. We had a new bathroom put in a couple years ago, and new siding. These were all skilled professional people who did not go to college. This is honorable work. They shouldn't be left out by once again seeing the haves and the will haves get more and more.

Disgusting and dishonest democrats lose again

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Sally Vix wrote:

What Utter garbage. "Studies show that poor college students often drop out because they are only a few HUNDRED DOLLARS SHORT." What garbage. Please show these "studies" because what you are saying is nonsense. NONSENSE. Poor students can afford $10,000 in tuition each semester but they will drop out because they don't have $200? Seriously dude? Please stop with the nonsense.

Shut up Troll!

Troll alert! wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

What Utter garbage. "Studies show that poor college students often drop out because they are only a few HUNDRED DOLLARS SHORT." What garbage. Please show these "studies" because what you are saying is nonsense. NONSENSE. Poor students can afford $10,000 in tuition each semester but they will drop out because they don't have $200? Seriously dude? Please stop with the nonsense.

Shut up Troll!

Oh man, is that dumb dumb Sally still posting here? Does he know he's a dumb dumb yet? For Thanksgiving, I gave thanks that dumb dumb Sally isn't my neighbor.

A majority of Republicans believe Trump is a better president than Lincoln was:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/472460-poll-majority-of-republicans-say-trump-better-president-than-lincoln%3famp

It's similar to believing Chris Davis is better than Babe Ruth.

Flagpole wrote:

You can have a full life without a college degree. That is part of my point. Drive a truck, manage a restaurant, become a plumber, etc. Most people should not go to college. We need to value the work of those who don't.

Ummm... I don't know if we should encourage a bunch of 18 yr olds to become truck drivers. Will it still exist as an occupation 45 yrs from now? What will they do if they find out in their 50s that the only thing they know is driving a truck, and now it is being replaced by self-driving trucks?

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Ummm... I don't know if we should encourage a bunch of 18 yr olds to become truck drivers. Will it still exist as an occupation 45 yrs from now?

Do you really expect your career as a troll on LRC to last until you retire from that line of work?

You’d be surprised at how many of these blue collar workers you are defending wish better for their children and would love for their children’s college to be free.

The demand for laborers decreases and the demand for IT workers increases as technology creates efficiencies in job functions.

You seem to want to train today’s kids for today's jobs instead of for tomorrow’s jobs.