I'm pretty sure that next week this testimony will be considered a lot less damning than the current headlines.
there is still no direct line to trump...in fact trump told sondland there is no quid pro quo.
and apparently volker testified the opposite - that he saw no quid pro quo from the WH.
this is damning to rudy and pompeo...it still doesn't get over the last meter to the West Wing.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chris-wallace-gordon-sondland-testimony-took-out-the-busPortland Hobby Jogger wrote:
Sondland didn't just throw EVERYONE under the bus, he freaking got in the driver's seat, hit the gas, and ran them over himself! The John Dean moment has arrived. Gordon is saving himself and brought a file cabinet full of receipts to boot.
QPQ wrote:
Last month I was pulled over for speeding.
I offered the cop $100 if he would let me go.
He didn't take the money and he did give me a ticket.
Can you believe they want to charge me with bribery?
He never took the money.
He still got the ticket.
How is that a bribe?
Trump would retweet this if he saw it (serious)
XY wrote:
Stop it, all of you and get back to work. Trumps not going anywhere over this.
Pssst.......get his tax returns
No conviction - death by a thousand cuts
Btw - Speier just body slammed Conway: "there are at least 5 Pinocchios on trump everyday so I wouldn't go there" - received applause
Lest we forget, the bribe is right there in the call readout.
Zelensky: We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
Trump: I would like you to do me a favor though ...
All the testimony just corroborates what we already know from the president's own words.
agip wrote:
I'm pretty sure that next week this testimony will be considered a lot less damning than the current headlines.
there is still no direct line to trump...in fact trump told sondland there is no quid pro quo.
and apparently volker testified the opposite - that he saw no quid pro quo from the WH.
this is damning to rudy and pompeo...it still doesn't get over the last meter to the West Wing.
the only way trump goes down is if he testifies... there isn't enough time for polls to reflect results that would motivate GOP senators to flip. This impeachment was always about Congress doing their jobs and politically it will hurt him next year.
Flagpole wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
If I had a hammer, I’d hammer out the love between my brother and my sister....brother.
Well, while you travel all over this land, read some legitimate news sources and learn to recognize when one side of a dispute is obstructing and deflecting and when the other side is just attempting to get the truth. I think this will take you a long time, so travel all over this land quite slowly. You've got a LOT of work to do.
I bet you cinch up on a heavy hammer, a nail bender.
agip wrote:
X-Runner wrote:
This public testimony may make it easier for some Republican senators to step and up and that could cause others to follow.
The people on the stand so far are non partisan and very damaging.
The Sondland testimony could be real big since he is a clear Trump supporter and has to either explain how Trump was demanding the Biden investigations in exchange for release of the aid or he has to lie on the stand. And he may choose perjury over Trump's ire.
We saw Cohen publicly spill the beans on Trump and somehow that hasn't phased Republicans. But they won't be voting on those finance violations, they will be voting on the Ukraine bribery.
This process has been slow turns of the vice each day. Squeezing him tighter and tighter.
But will the public catch on? That's who puts the pressure on the politicians to act.
I'm just wondering if Sondland and Volker will actually say anything of value. I suspect Sondland will take the 5th or something similar. Volker will have to revise his testimony to avoid perjury charges....Sondland in particular is in a lot of trouble here. No idea how he can get out of it. probably his only choice is to tell the truth, or throw someone else under the bus - probably rudy.
Our conversation from a couple days ago.
Well, Sondland didn't take the fifth, but he did throw Rudy under the bus. Good call.
And on my call he did explain how Trump was demanding the Biden investigations in exchange for release of the aid or at least for a meeting in the Oval Office.
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
I'm pretty sure that next week this testimony will be considered a lot less damning than the current headlines.
there is still no direct line to trump...in fact trump told sondland there is no quid pro quo.
and apparently volker testified the opposite - that he saw no quid pro quo from the WH.
this is damning to rudy and pompeo...it still doesn't get over the last meter to the West Wing.
the only way trump goes down is if he testifies... there isn't enough time for polls to reflect results that would motivate GOP senators to flip. This impeachment was always about Congress doing their jobs and politically it will hurt him next year.
Rudy is going to be under a lot of pressure here...he's already under federal criminal investigation...maybe he'll flip on the trumpster.
Rudy's not a total idiot, despite his idiotic activities...he knows how the game is played and he knows he's in a very vulnerable position.
if rudy says 'my convo with trump is not under attorney-client priviledge because of X' and then says that trump was in the loop, that would hurt spanks.
on the other hand, rudy could take the fall and say it was all his idea and trump knew nothing. Then hope for a pardon.
Flagpole wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
And you are so partisan you can’t see beyond your nose.
Untrue. The evidence is clear here that Trump broke the law. He did it live on camera too. He's a criminal, and you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting him. Regarding the Bidens, there is NO evidence of any wrongdoing. NONE at all. Conflict of interest to have Hunter on that Board? Yes. Illegal? No. Any Republican or Trump goon like you who wants to criticize the Bidens for that, then you are complete hypocrites if you don't also object to Ivanka's position in the White House. Undeserved success for her. At least Hunter Biden has a law degree and therefore could be at least minimally helpful on a company board. Ivanka brings squat.
I saw Bill Clinton break the law as President. I thought he should have been removed from office for lying to Congress...and I voted for him. I haven't voted for Biden ever. I have no allegiance to Biden or the Democrat Party. I said Conyers and Franken should have been booted immediately. I have allegiance to the law and justice only. You are WAY off with that accusation, brother.
You are a fool and dumb as a bag of hammers. Of the big three idiots here, you, Sally, and Rigged, you are ONLY just stupid. The other two have other issues too (in addition to being stupid). Rigged has also proven himself to be an a$$hole recently. He though DOES know he's wrong about some things he posts. He spins it to fit his narrative, so he is still dumb, but he's not AS dumb and you and Sally. He's a full on a$$hole though. Sally is 20% troll which is what makes him an A$$hole. The rest of him is just outrageous stupidity. Both you and Sally are the most ignorant of the three and therefore the most ignorant on this thread. You really belong in Sally's category where you should be asking questions here, not spewing your ignorant opinions. Your ignorance isn't as readily seen by everyone here (though I see it) because you don't post as often as Sally does and you don't defend your ignorant opinions as vehemently as Sally does...but it is there nonetheless.
Flagpole,
I am thinking that I should not ask you for a letter of recommendation on my next job search. Also, I am not sure you understand what "ignorant" means. Many people don't understand what it means. You would not be the first. You also probably think that verbal means spoken, which it does not. There are sooooo many things I could teach you but I really have no desire to.
agip wrote:
I'm pretty sure that next week this testimony will be considered a lot less damning than the current headlines.
there is still no direct line to trump...in fact trump told sondland there is no quid pro quo.
and apparently volker testified the opposite - that he saw no quid pro quo from the WH.
this is damning to rudy and pompeo...it still doesn't get over the last meter to the West Wing.
Appreciate your honesty.
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
I'm pretty sure that next week this testimony will be considered a lot less damning than the current headlines.
there is still no direct line to trump...in fact trump told sondland there is no quid pro quo.
and apparently volker testified the opposite - that he saw no quid pro quo from the WH.
this is damning to rudy and pompeo...it still doesn't get over the last meter to the West Wing.
the only way trump goes down is if he testifies... there isn't enough time for polls to reflect results that would motivate GOP senators to flip. This impeachment was always about Congress doing their jobs and politically it will hurt him next year.
Rather it seems that this "impeachment" is all about smearing Trump to hurt his chances at re-election. To have it as one-sided as it is - just a shame. Schiff is a two-bit scoundrel masquerading as the head of the intel committee. What he has done is make a farce of this impeachment "inquiry." The Democrats have embarrassed themselves and continue to embarrass themselves. Just a debacle for the Democrat party. Not surprising because this is the party that after all supports infanticide. Do not suggest otherwise.
Interesting to see how some international media see it.
meanwhile Biden is surging. his lead in the national polling is the largest in several months...and he is now into 2nd in IA and NH.
Lordy I can just feel the massive center of the country begging for a quiet presidency.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Untrue. The evidence is clear here that Trump broke the law. He did it live on camera too. He's a criminal, and you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting him. Regarding the Bidens, there is NO evidence of any wrongdoing. NONE at all. Conflict of interest to have Hunter on that Board? Yes. Illegal? No. Any Republican or Trump goon like you who wants to criticize the Bidens for that, then you are complete hypocrites if you don't also object to Ivanka's position in the White House. Undeserved success for her. At least Hunter Biden has a law degree and therefore could be at least minimally helpful on a company board. Ivanka brings squat.
I saw Bill Clinton break the law as President. I thought he should have been removed from office for lying to Congress...and I voted for him. I haven't voted for Biden ever. I have no allegiance to Biden or the Democrat Party. I said Conyers and Franken should have been booted immediately. I have allegiance to the law and justice only. You are WAY off with that accusation, brother.
You are a fool and dumb as a bag of hammers. Of the big three idiots here, you, Sally, and Rigged, you are ONLY just stupid. The other two have other issues too (in addition to being stupid). Rigged has also proven himself to be an a$$hole recently. He though DOES know he's wrong about some things he posts. He spins it to fit his narrative, so he is still dumb, but he's not AS dumb and you and Sally. He's a full on a$$hole though. Sally is 20% troll which is what makes him an A$$hole. The rest of him is just outrageous stupidity. Both you and Sally are the most ignorant of the three and therefore the most ignorant on this thread. You really belong in Sally's category where you should be asking questions here, not spewing your ignorant opinions. Your ignorance isn't as readily seen by everyone here (though I see it) because you don't post as often as Sally does and you don't defend your ignorant opinions as vehemently as Sally does...but it is there nonetheless.
Flagpole,
I am thinking that I should not ask you for a letter of recommendation on my next job search. Also, I am not sure you understand what "ignorant" means. Many people don't understand what it means. You would not be the first. You also probably think that verbal means spoken, which it does not. There are sooooo many things I could teach you but I really have no desire to.
One more thing, Flagpole. You can spout off all you want pretending to be a smart person. The problem is that you are not. You are very unsophisticated. YOu probably stroll into the Cleveland Piggly Wiggly with you chest pushed out reprimanding the check-out ladies there. Pretending you are someone special. Well you can do that at the Cleveland Piggly Wiggly. You can't do that in the real world. The really smart people, myself included, understand that your pompousness does not translate to respect. Your usage of words like "cowtow" just doesn't scream out "genius" to anyone. I hate the word "dunce" but it applies in your case. Please do not misuse "ignorant" again. Thanks!
Agip,
Do you think Mayor Pete has a chance (if he was to get the nomination) with virtually no support now from blacks? His support from blacks would certainly rise if he was to be the nominee but I think many would just stay home.
Sally Vix wrote:
Agip,
Do you think Mayor Pete has a chance (if he was to get the nomination) with virtually no support now from blacks? His support from blacks would certainly rise if he was to be the nominee but I think many would just stay home.
Pete has no chance to be nominated unless he radically improves his standing with A-A voters. I don't see how he can do that, but who knows. Probably he'd have to find a chain of influential AAs to endorse him and then hope for the best. Maybe he announced a black running mate during the primary season or something radical like that.
Biden has a huge, huge advantage because of his loyal support from AAs
Why does he cryptically state "Tell Zellinsky to do the right thing". He shouldn't be telling Zellinsky to do anything if there's no quid pro quo. If Sondland doesn't bring down Trump, Trump will.
agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Agip,
Do you think Mayor Pete has a chance (if he was to get the nomination) with virtually no support now from blacks? His support from blacks would certainly rise if he was to be the nominee but I think many would just stay home.
Pete has no chance to be nominated unless he radically improves his standing with A-A voters. I don't see how he can do that, but who knows. Probably he'd have to find a chain of influential AAs to endorse him and then hope for the best. Maybe he announced a black running mate during the primary season or something radical like that.
Biden has a huge, huge advantage because of his loyal support from AAs
Tonight the debate is in Atlanta, sometimes called "Black Mecca".
If Pete is going to try to start an appeal to African Americans, this would be a good time to do it.
Are there really PIggly Wigglys in Cleveland?
Sally Vix wrote:
One more thing, Flagpole. You can spout off all you want pretending to be a smart person. The problem is that you are not. You are very unsophisticated. YOu probably stroll into the Cleveland Piggly Wiggly with you chest pushed out reprimanding the check-out ladies there. Pretending you are someone special. Well you can do that at the Cleveland Piggly Wiggly. You can't do that in the real world. The really smart people, myself included, understand that your pompousness does not translate to respect. Your usage of words like "cowtow" just doesn't scream out "genius" to anyone. I hate the word "dunce" but it applies in your case. Please do not misuse "ignorant" again. Thanks!