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Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Sondland confirms Trump told him when asked what he wanted that Trump told him he wants nothing, no quid pro quo, just wants Zelensky to do the right thing.
This is a disaster for Pencil Neck ?
Clown show.
KAG2020
Doesn't that statement contradict itself? I want nothing. I want Zelensky to do the right thing. Oh, so he does want something? And he had made it clear that "the right thing" is to investigate the Bidens.
Women play this game all the time.
Man> Why are you mad, honey?
Woman> Nothing, I'm fine. I'm not mad.
...5 seconds later...
Woman> I just wish you would put your dirty dishes in the dishwasher when you're done eating.
This will help pressure the courts to force the prez-o to hand over evidence, just like Watergate.
agip wrote:
agip wrote:
pretty cool that three immigrants or first-gen americans are taking down this terrible unamerican, anti-immigrant president. Shows the renewal and promise of america.
In short, who would you want your kids to be like? DJT or one of these three?
Yovanavich
Vindland
Sondland
actually I would not want my kid to be like Sondland or Trump. I mean sondland is better than trump, but they are both poor quality people.
all credit to sondland for coming clean, but he clearly was part of a corrupt system, gleefully.
How about Joe and Hunter Biden? Flagpole thinks they’re clean as freshly fallen snow.
?
agip wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Sondland has made it clear that all went through Giuliani. He verified that Zelensky needed to make a public announcement about the investigations in order to get a White House meeting and military aid released.
"Directed by the President". Sondland said that several times. He also said it was no secret...everyone knew it.
sure, but fact is that Sondland has not said that he received a direct order from the president to be corrupt. and what's more, Sondland DID say that Trump told him that Ukraine should just do the right thing.
That's going to rise in importance as the day goes on.
I mean we all know that trump was the crime boss here, who sent his people out to crime...but the law doesn't always follow reason.
Republicans will cling to anything they can here.
Proof is likely found in the documents that the White House and the State Department have refused to deliver.
Nunes is just grandstanding. He's not asking Sondland anything that he can answer. He's just stating things he wants the public to hear.
Hopefully Bolton will testify. It is clear what's going on there and what happened. The only question is whether Republicans will look the other way.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
agip wrote:
actually I would not want my kid to be like Sondland or Trump. I mean sondland is better than trump, but they are both poor quality people.
all credit to sondland for coming clean, but he clearly was part of a corrupt system, gleefully.
How about Joe and Hunter Biden? Flagpole thinks they’re clean as freshly fallen snow.
?
Sorry Iggy, but NOBODY said anything back then, not a peep from any Rs. The ONLY reason it is coming up now is because trump is being investigated. You know that.
Flagpole wrote:
agip wrote:
sure, but fact is that Sondland has not said that he received a direct order from the president to be corrupt. and what's more, Sondland DID say that Trump told him that Ukraine should just do the right thing.
That's going to rise in importance as the day goes on.
I mean we all know that trump was the crime boss here, who sent his people out to crime...but the law doesn't always follow reason.
Republicans will cling to anything they can here.
Proof is likely found in the documents that the White House and the State Department have refused to deliver.
Nunes is just grandstanding. He's not asking Sondland anything that he can answer. He's just stating things he wants the public to hear.
Hopefully Bolton will testify. It is clear what's going on there and what happened. The only question is whether Republicans will look the other way.
It is crystal clear what we're dealing with here. Of course there were other conversations with trump which would be considered additional conclusive evidence. Right now as those in his circle scramble to hide their tracks and defend themselves, they create other opportunities for the Dems to pry further. At the very least if they keep digging they will get some liars under oath.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
agip wrote:
actually I would not want my kid to be like Sondland or Trump. I mean sondland is better than trump, but they are both poor quality people.
all credit to sondland for coming clean, but he clearly was part of a corrupt system, gleefully.
How about Joe and Hunter Biden? Flagpole thinks they’re clean as freshly fallen snow.
?
I have already said it was a conflict of interest for Hunter Biden to be on that board while Joe Biden was VP. There is NO evidence though of any illegal activity by either of them. The Republican talking point that Biden bragged about getting rid of the prosecutor is a bogus point, and any of them who know the real situation understand that it is bogus. The prosecutor was under fired by everyone and their brother because he was NOT prosecuting anyone...he was taking bribes to NOT prosecute. Hunter Biden was NOT under any investigation.
I have also said Joe Biden has been inappropriate with people (mostly women) by touching them unannounced and unwanted (rubbing shoulders, etc.). He is not my favorite candidate.
Investigating Burisma or the Bidens could have been done on the up and up. Illegal the way Trump went about it. we have a system to handle things such as that...have the DOJ do it. You don't send a non-governmental employee (Rudy) to go pressure Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. Ridiculous. We (America) also don't just go investigate American citizens when there is no evidence that shows an investigation is necessary.
You are a fool.
Obviously the Biden's actions were so illegal that the Republican led House felt it necessary to investigate, or well I guess they didn't. Don't forget to post about Hillary's emails and Obama's birth certificate. You definitely want to hit the trifecta today with all thats going on.
Trollminator wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
How about Joe and Hunter Biden? Flagpole thinks they’re clean as freshly fallen snow.
?
Sorry Iggy, but NOBODY said anything back then, not a peep from any Rs. The ONLY reason it is coming up now is because trump is being investigated. You know that.
That is clearly not true as the State Department had prepared non-answers referring to the Vice President Biden’s office if questioned for one of the open hearings.
Trollminator wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
How about Joe and Hunter Biden? Flagpole thinks they’re clean as freshly fallen snow.
?
Sorry Iggy, but NOBODY said anything back then, not a peep from any Rs. The ONLY reason it is coming up now is because trump is being investigated. You know that.
I will add further and say that absolutely Hunter's post was improper. If that who episode warrants an investigation then what are the Rs waiting for? They should investigate then instead of trying to wash out the accusations against trump. Like Hillary, what have they been waiting for? Rs have nothing.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Sorry Iggy, but NOBODY said anything back then, not a peep from any Rs. The ONLY reason it is coming up now is because trump is being investigated. You know that.
That is clearly not true as the State Department had prepared non-answers referring to the Vice President Biden’s office if questioned for one of the open hearings.
Thats' your proof??? Everyone knew exactly what Biden was doing and anyone who bothered to care would have heard about Hunter's position. You would think some Rs would have at least complained publicly, but no, not a single person had an issue with it.
But, but, what about wrote:
Obviously the Biden's actions were so illegal that the Republican led House felt it necessary to investigate, or well I guess they didn't. Don't forget to post about Hillary's emails and Obama's birth certificate. You definitely want to hit the trifecta today with all thats going on.
It's like some Dem saying now that Bush was wrong for starting an unjustified war. If you were against it back then you'd have said something or voted against it. This assertion that Joe Biden was corrupt is just bananas... first the fact that no one said anything shows just how alarming that kind of issue might have been. Second, there is ZERO proof that Joe did anything illegal. Why haven't Rs moved swiftly to investigate the matter?
UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Sondland confirms Trump told him when asked what he wanted that Trump told him he wants nothing, no quid pro quo, just wants Zelensky to do the right thing.
This is a disaster for Pencil Neck ?
Clown show.
KAG2020
Doesn't that statement contradict itself? I want nothing. I want Zelensky to do the right thing. Oh, so he does want something? And he had made it clear that "the right thing" is to investigate the Bidens.
Women play this game all the time.
Man> Why are you mad, honey?
Woman> Nothing, I'm fine. I'm not mad.
...5 seconds later...
Woman> I just wish you would put your dirty dishes in the dishwasher when you're done eating.
Gotta love how trigged posts "evidence" that directly contradicts his assertions. That's called sheer stupidity.
But, but, what about wrote:
Obviously the Biden's actions were so illegal that the Republican led House felt it necessary to investigate, or well I guess they didn't. Don't forget to post about Hillary's emails and Obama's birth certificate. You definitely want to hit the trifecta today with all thats going on.
If it was above board why didn't Trump announce that Biden, while representing the U.S., had mistreated Ukraine and that it was in the interests of our country to have Ukraine conduct an investigation into Biden and that Giuliani was working with the diplomats to have that happen. And when asked about why there was a hold on the aid, why didn't he say that it was being held until an investigation on Biden was commenced?
Wow Sondland throwing everyone above him under the bus. Saying everyone knew the situation and no one said it was improper, no one told him they needed to change course. Sondland also just said he can't access his records of a lot of the conversations he's had. R Counsel is rephrasing that as "there are no records"... no, there are records that sondland has not been able to access. Very different.
Flagpole wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
How about Joe and Hunter Biden? Flagpole thinks they’re clean as freshly fallen snow.
?
I have already said it was a conflict of interest for Hunter Biden to be on that board while Joe Biden was VP. There is NO evidence though of any illegal activity by either of them. The Republican talking point that Biden bragged about getting rid of the prosecutor is a bogus point, and any of them who know the real situation understand that it is bogus. The prosecutor was under fired by everyone and their brother because he was NOT prosecuting anyone...he was taking bribes to NOT prosecute. Hunter Biden was NOT under any investigation.
I have also said Joe Biden has been inappropriate with people (mostly women) by touching them unannounced and unwanted (rubbing shoulders, etc.). He is not my favorite candidate.
Investigating Burisma or the Bidens could have been done on the up and up. Illegal the way Trump went about it. we have a system to handle things such as that...have the DOJ do it. You don't send a non-governmental employee (Rudy) to go pressure Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. Ridiculous. We (America) also don't just go investigate American citizens when there is no evidence that shows an investigation is necessary.
You are a fool.
And you are so partisan you can’t see beyond your nose.
Trollminator wrote:
Gotta love how trigged posts "evidence" that directly contradicts his assertions. That's called sheer stupidity.
No, it's called "trolling". In this context a self contradictory statement is called "bait".