I just wanted to apologize for my earlier post. I did not mean to be taken the least bit seriously. In fact, I hoped that it would be taken as ridiculous. I guess it is my unfamiliarity with posting on this website and my misapprehension of the humor used on this site. I am sorry for any confusion that this may have caused and hope that my apology is accepted.
Daniels son:
As a matter of fact, it takes more guts to come back and apologize. I've been there, done that myself--using inappropriate wording and came back and apologized (so I'm guttsy!). Thank you for the message.
Now you've successfully joiig the cult...just kidding. You still need a human sacrifice...kidding again! Hey, I'm just trying to break the tension.
By the way, the name Daniels son, did that come from "Karete Kid"?
Nobby,
I can say that Tinman was accurate when he stated that Dave
Moorcroft's training used reps of 300,600, and 1000 meters with LONG recoveries (300's w/3 min. rest, 600's w/5 min.,
and 1000's w/6:30 recovery). As he developed, he kept the same rest interval, but ran the reps faster. These workouts served as the link between his aerobic training and his higher level anaerobic training.
His more purely anaerobic training included sets of short reps of 60-100 meters with short or diminishing recoveries,
reps of 150-200 meters with longer rests, and longer maximum effort runs up to 600 meters with long recoveries.
An excellent feature of Moorcroft's training that I believe Mr. Lydiard and Tinman would approve of was that he kept his training volume high throughout the year. He dropped his volume only about 10 miles/week from winter to summer. That obviously kept his training aerobically balanced and led to excellent results.
Thanks everyone for all of the excellent posts on this topic!
Coachc
Hello Glenn,
Thanks for the advice, I have a firm understanding of what is required in the base, hill and anaerobic phase. I am still unsure when to stop V02 max intervals and anaerobic reps in relation to your peak race. I thought I would lay out my training for the remainder of the XC season and if you could please let me know what you think. My mileage has been between 60-70 for the last three months, the last six weeks I have done V02 max intervals (5x1500m w/ 2min rest), hills and fartleks. I have six weeks untill my peak race:
Week 1 (this week)
M - 8 miles easy
T - going to try a time trial, 3k @ 3:30-3:25 pace, then 5 min rest, 4 x 400m at mile pace
W - 8 miles easy
T - 5 x 1500m @ slightly faster than 8k pace w/ 2 min rest
F- 8 miles easy
S - 8 miles easy w/ 10x60m strides
S - 12 miles
Week 2
M - 6 miles easy
T - 5 x 800m @ 2:30 w/ 3 min rest
W - 8 miles easy
T - 8 miles easy
F- 6 miles easy w/ 10x 60m strides
S - rest
S - 8k XC race
Week 3
M - 6 miles easy
T - 8 miles w/ 10x 60m strides
W - time trial
T - 8 miles easy
F- 6 miles easy w/ 10 x 60m
S - 8 x 300m (4 @ mile pace, 4 @ 8k pace) w/ 100m jog rest
S - 10 miles
Week 4
M - 6 miles easy
T - 8 miles easy w/ 10x60m strides
W - 1 mile time trial
T - 6 miles easy
F- 6 miles easy w/ 10x60m strides
S - 3 miles easy
S - 5k XC race
Week 5
M - 6 miles easy
T - 6 miles easy w/ 10x60m strides
W - 8 miles easy
T - 3-4k time trial @ 8k pace
F- 6 miles easy
S - 6 miles easy w/ 10x60m strides
S - 10 miles
Week 6
M - 6 miles easy
T - 1 mile time trial @ 8k pace w/ 5 x 100m fast
W - 6 miles easy
T - 6 miles easy w/ 10x 60m strides
F- rest
S - 8k XC race
Thanks, coach. Have you read a book called "Focus on Middle-Distance Running" by John Humphreys and Ron Holman? Great book. This is what shows Moorcroft's 10-week training. You're right; his mileage was about 90~95MPW and dropped down to about 70~72 three weeks prior to his WR. It also shows approximate break-down of light aerobic, fast aerobic, ATP/PC, LA/O2 workouts run.
Glenn,I've been interested in John Kellogg's approach. He has what I consider an "up-to-date" Lydiard system which is highly periodized. The following article came from his old paragonrunning.com website which he shared with 1980 OT Qualifier Kyle Heffner. Both those guys are great coaches and really know a tremendous amount about running:
Lactate tolerance
This is the tough stuff, the piano-pushing, rigging, knee-grabbing, rubber-legged torture that most runners dread. It is an unavoidable aspect of training for any serious runner who wishes to be competitive. Unfortunately, Americans in general and high schoolers in particular place far too much emphasis on this hard anaerobic work, and they usually do it improperly, to boot. Many top Americans have remarked how "the training must be very hard" to reach the top. This is not entirely wrong; runners absolutely must "go to the well" in training from time to time in order to attain maximum performance capacity. However, lactate tolerance work has little to no effect on overall aerobic fitness, and it is aerobic endurance which is by far the most important component of running performance.
In essence, lactate tolerance training can only bring a runner from the bottom of a particular fitness level to the top of that same level in terms of race worthiness. It never allows anyone to change fitness levels! Anybody can run intervals very hard. Even football players can and do. But they are not fit enough to run faster than 70% of top 400 speed for even one mile. Increasing fitness to the point of running 80% of top 400 speed for 5,000 meters is only accomplished with months (and ultimately years) of progressively higher mileage with specific times spent at specific aerobic speeds.
The purpose of intense lactate tolerance work is to recruit FT muscle fibers for specific time lengths, to train ST and FT fibers to become glycolytic, to induce the heart and skeletal muscles to use lactate as fuel (reconverting it to pyruvate), and to fortify the bicarbonate buffer system. These ends are best achieved if sufficient speed maintenance has been used, and LT and VO2max workouts have been performed regularly and properly before introducing lactate tolerance to the training regimen. This is to say that a smooth transition must be made from slower forms of training to hard anaerobic work. The first lactate tolerance session of the season should never be excessive; that's like trying for an end-of-Summer tan on the first day at the beach! Speed maintenance and drills in the pre-season help make the transition smooth. In general, any repetition running which is fast enough to maintain speed during the off-season will produce enough lactate to be considered truly anaerobic if continued longer than 40 seconds per rep. So speed maintenance reps should be limited to no longer than 200 meters each.
The most effective implementation of lactate tolerance work involves running between 3,000 and 4,000 meters of total distance, with no more than 10 repetitions and no single rep shorter than 300 meters or longer than 1,000 meters. Thus, 8-10 x 400 would provide the optimum overall distance, as would 6 x 600 or 4 x 1,000 or some combination of distances of 300 to 1,000 meters (e.g., 2 x 800 + 2 x 500 + 4 x 300).
Rest periods should never exceed twice the length of time required for the rep just run, and the ideal ratio is a rest period of 1.4 to 1.6 times the previous run period. For example, if the workout involves 3 x 2 min. runs + 4 x 1 min. runs, the rests should remain around 3 min. (give or take about 15 secs.) after each 2 min. bout and about 1:30-ish after each 1 min. run.
The reason behind limiting the rest periods has to do primarily with venous "pooling", in which the blood collects in the legs and feet post-exercise due to gravity and the fact that the legs are the prime movers in the exercise. Pooling usually occurs when the heart rate falls below about 120 bpm., and it undermines the body's ability to re-use lactate as fuel. Other factors are involved, but the end result is that resting too long between anaerobic repetitions does not train the lactate buffer system to its fullest.
During hard anaerobic training, it can become extremely difficult to maintain speed for long, but the effort should still be made to run the final reps the fastest. This is why it is crucial to select the proper starting speed and to limit the total volume of the workout. Basing the speed on current 1,600/mile race pace is a good strategy. The Examples section provides suggested starting speeds and average speeds for lactate tolerance training.
On occasion, these efforts can be made exceptionally hard (even harder than races), but it is advisable to remember that it does little good to try harder while running slower! It's better, therefore, if 8 reps are scheduled, to stop at 6 if the 6th was all-out and a 7th or 8th rep would without doubt be slower. To salvage the effect of finishing the workout faster, a few 200s can be run in lieu of the final repetitions of longer distances.
A limited volume (2,500-3,200 meters) of lactate tolerance training can be used the week of an important competition. This type of workout achieves the best result (both for the race and for later weeks) if the distances are shortened and the speeds rotated as the workout progresses. A few 200s can be tacked on at the end to increase the speed even further and to add a little volume to the workout. An example of this "taper session" would be 2 x 800 @ 2:15 and 2:10, followed by 4 x 400 @ 66-64-62-60 (3,200 meters so far), followed by some "speed maintenance" 200s @ 33-31-29-27. This would be a good workout for a 14:00 5,000 runner 3-4 days before a big meet. Race pace is about 67 400 pace for this runner, so not all of the reps are hard, yet various muscle fibers are recruited, some lactate tolerance work is accomplished, and the runner should be sufficiently recovered to feel very sharp by race day.
High school runners tend to perform excessive amounts of anaerobic interval training, owing to the fact that it gives them a "quick fix". The fruits of proper progressive training with sufficient base mileage and periodization may not be realized for years, so today's high schoolers (and the adults who cater to their "win now" desires) go for the intensity while ignoring the more important volume. Such training very rarely pays off for more than a few years. Consider that the nervous system responds (via chemoreceptors) to high lactate levels and chronically low blood pH with excessive ventilation and improper selection of muscle fibers. This means that too much anaerobic work in adolescence invariably results in uncoordinated, inefficient, struggling movements. Acidity may also lower aerobic enzyme activity, so that "interval-trained" high school runners may be fast, but they have poor endurance.
Examples of Lactate Tolerance Workouts
8-10 x 300 averaging about 1 second per 300 slower than 800 race pace (start slightly slower than this, finish faster)/1:15 walk between reps.
This is good as the first lactate tolerance work of the season. Because the distances are short, it's difficult to get in horrible trouble on this, even if a fairly substantial pacing mistake is made early. Still, it's better to estimate the speed a little on the slow side. The speed can always be increased in the middle if the first reps really were too slow. This is also a workout which can be repeated every few weeks at ever faster speeds as anaerobic capacity improves.
Imagine Lisa is a world-class middle distance runner with bests of 1:58 for 800, 4:20 for 1,600 (4:21.7 mile), and 8:45 for 3,000. As an early season introductory lactate tolerance session, Lisa might try 10 x 300 starting at 47 secs. and working down to the 45 range (Lisa's 800 PR averages 44.25 per 300). This might be too fast for a first effort, but if Lisa has been doing sufficient amounts of speed maintenance and drills, she should be able to continue at least in the 46 range and will most likely hit 44-45 on some of the reps. The workout could always be shortened to only 8 reps or some 200s could be substituted for the last few 300s if Lisa was unable to manage the desired speeds on all the 300s.
8-10 x 400 averaging about 3 secs. per 400 faster than 1,600/mile race pace/1:30-2 min. walk between each.
These can probably be run faster than the indicated speed by mid-season, but this is a suggested speed for the first time this particular workout is attempted during the early season. As usual, it's best to start slower so as to establish where the tolerance level will be on the day.
For Lisa, who has a 1,600 time of 4:20 (65 secs. per 400), a session of 8 x 400 would ideally be done at something like 65-63-62-62-62-62-61-60, with about 1:30 or so rest between each. If Lisa has been performing enough anaerobic work to be accustomed to (and confident with) a very tough interval workout, she might run a full second faster on each rep. This is, after all, hard track work! These reps are short enough that this workout can be used fairly often during the competitive season and can usually be done up to 3 days prior to all but the most important competitions.
5-6 x 2 min. runs averaging about 1 second per 400 slower than 1,600/mile race pace/3 min. walk between each (about 1 min. of easy jogging can be done during the middle of each rest period).
Again, these runs can quite possibly be run even faster/harder than specified, but the durations are long enough that most runners cannot get away with "going to the well" on this within a few days of a major competition. If these are to be run as hard as possible, they should probably be reserved for a non-competition week, when a "make it or break it" approach can be taken to this workout.
Our world-class middle distance runner Lisa (1,600 PR of 4:20, a 65 400 pace) would aim to average 66 400 pace for 5-6 2 min. runs. This would put her at 1:55-1:56 at the 700 mark, which would be as good a place as any to stop. The rest periods could range from 3 min. to possibly 3:30, but longer than this would result in pooling due to the lowered heart rate).
Six reps of 2 min. each amounts to the limit of total distance for a lactate tolerance workout, and may exceed that limit (about 4,500 meters) for many runners. Unlike aerobic training, anaerobic training is meant to be as fast as possible. Five reps of 2 min. each may be more manageable, faster, and more effective for most runners than six reps.
4 x 1,000 averaging 3-4 secs. per 400 slower than 1,600/mile race pace (or 2-3 secs. per 400 faster than 3,200/2 mile race pace)/4 min. walk/jog between reps.
This workout, like the previous one, employs a total volume which is near the maximum limit of effectiveness for anaerobic work. Generally, the best results from lactate tolerance training come from workouts which total 3,000 to 4,000 meters in distance, with none of the individual reps longer than 1,000 meters. A 5th rep could be added to this session (people do that sometimes), but it's probably not a good idea. If any more distance is to be added, it's better to add one 400 or one 300 or 2 x 200. This really is the limit on this type of training. The purpose is in part to run as fast as possible on these reps. More than 4,000 meters of distance just isn't usually as productive toward this end.
4:20 1,600 runner Lisa would shoot for about a 68 400 pace on 4 x 1,000. This is 3 seconds per lap slower than her 1,600 pace and 2 seconds per lap faster than her 3,000 race pace (about 2.3 secs./lap faster than predicted 3,200 pace). The 1,000s could be run at 2:52-2:50-2:50-2:48, with roughly 4 min. of walking/easy jogging as rest periods.
Oasis,
what the trials and to a certain extent races, should point you to is where have you underdeveloped your ability. Like the HS girls I have mentioned before, the one gal who we thought should be able to run in the mid 20's for 5km. By reviewing her pacing we were able to see that she was able to go out at 6:45, but would fade off to to 7:20 and never come back. She was able to run 5 x 1 km with 3 minute rest at sub 4 with little problem. She was working to hard and never able to take advantage of what she had. So you need to review your races and your trials. They will expose your weaknesses and underdeveloped aspects. 5:10 pace feels fast, do more speed related work. Die in the middle, perhaps you need to revisit stamina? No finishing drive, are you starting to fast? Use the trials to help uncover what needs to be worked on, then use the other workouts to develop what is indicated as needing the work. You might replace some of your easier runs early in the weeks 3-5 with sharpeners. Basically up to 2 miles of 50 meters sprint, 50 meters stride. The closer you can get to your 2 mile time in this workout, the better condition you are in.
Glenn
John Anderson scheduled constant paced 1k reps, 600s, and 300s, as much as possible throughout the year (he called them 1500m pace but in reality they were slightly slower than that but still faster than 3k pace). You'd find that Moorcroft would be running 2:30 per km repeats in the winter and spring with 6:30 rest breaks and by early summer the reps might drop from 5 or 6 to 4 before a big race and the pace would be just 2-4 seconds faster with a 7 to 7:30 rest break. As Anderson peaked Moorcroft, he would have him do one or two really fast 1,000m or 600m or both (short and sweet workouts, so to speak), but most of the training was the same in the summer (except for a minor drop in volume frm say 90 per week to 70 the week of the peak).
One thing that must be considered as we analyze workout severity is both pace and recovery as they effect physiologic metabolism. Let's make up a hypotheticl runner to clarify the underpinnings of what actually happens. Let's say that Jo is a runner with a 4:00 recent p.b. for 1500m which is 32 seconds per 200m. In the transition from Base Aerobic Conditioning to to early competitive season racing Jo's coach may schedule some 200m intervals. If the pace for Jo is 35 seconds per rep (about 3200m pace for him, perhaps a tad slower) and his rest between reps is 200m of jogging, then the overall stress on Jo's body is moderately high but nowhere near anaerobic in nature (due to pace being moderate, the duration of the rep being short in length, and the recovery jog being reasonably long relative to the rep length...plus it was a jog instead of a standing rest which keeps the ciculatory system running effeciently at both supplying oxygen and negating potential acidic build up). Blood lactate is likely stabilize at ~ 5 to no more than 6 mmols, just above LT but not by much (equivalent to running 10k pace in extended fashion). If instead the coach cuts the recovery jog to 100m, the stress will be substantially higher, especially after about 6 reps, and the blood lactate level will go up from 5 or 6 to 7 to 9 mmols by the end of the workout. The difference is quite substantial, overall, in the effects and use of anaerobiotic metabolism.
Now, if the pace is slowed to 39 seconds per rep (82% as fast as Jo's 1500m pace), then the pace is LT but because the reps are not very long, the stress is even less, overall even with a brief 100m jogs. The blood lactate level will be about 3.5-4 mmols which is below lactate threshold; therefore it is not very stressful. The same comparison can be made for an elite 1500m runner (3:30 over 1500m) (28 seconds per 200m pace) doing reps at 34 seconds (which is something Moorcroft regularly did in training as fartlek, by the way). He could run 20 x 200m at 82% with a 100m jog and it is stricly an LT workout, which, again, isn't very hard.
An example of someone who understood this principle well and used it to his advantage was Dick Quax of New Zealand, silver medalist in the 5k in the Munich Olympics and world record holder in the 5k soon thereafter. In the base phase of training and in the transition phase he run workouts such as 20 x 400 in 70 seconds or 20 x 200 in 32 seconds with brief recovery jogs of 200m or 100m. He was simply running at LT pace. If is very common for runners to look at a workout of 20 x 400 in 70 seconds and look at it in absolute terms instead of relative terms. Dick could run 70 second per 400 for 15km straight if he wanted to.
If Dick or Jo had increased their rep speed to 1500m pace (faster than the previous example)for 200s and used short recovery jogs (100m) then it would have been a semi-difficult workout with acidosis rising throughout the workout to twice that of LT. If Dick or Jo had run 1500m paced 200s with an increased jog recovery of 200m (twice as the above example) the acidosis would be modest and in the 6mmol range, just 50% above LT, by the end of the workout.
So, back to Moorcroft and Anderson. If David had kept his 1ks at 2:30 to 2:26 but cut the rest to 2 minutes, the workout would have become quite acidic (around 10-12 mmols by the end of the workout). But, because he used 6:30 to 7:30 rests per Anderson's advice, his blood plasma lactate reached just 6-7 mmols. The rests were sufficient to get rid of the acidosis (raising ph levels close to normal values by time each rep started, which is good). If Anderson wanted to induce a quick peak (say 2-3 weeks) all he would have needed to do is cut the rest in David's workouts. The workouts would be far more intense and simulate extended hard races. Anyone who has raced a lot in a short time frame will tell you it will bring you to a peak and the crash you through the ground just as quickly.
Bowerman talked about bringing a runner to a peak quickly was simple (cut the rests between fast reps and, voila, it happens)
Think about how Arthur Lydiard peaked his runners. He built a strong aerobic base, introduced easy forms of faster work but gave them plenty of jogging recovery between reps, did some explosive stuff with hills, did some quantity "anaerobic" intervals, then got away from them. He then scheduled surge training and time trials. Time trials, Arthur said, revealed what needed to be done. In some cases, it could mean more anaerobicically natured training, but typically he would do it with more fast time trials over distances like 1500m, 800m, or 300m or surge training sessions such as 50 sprint, 50 jog, 100 sprint, 100 jog. It could mean easing off the time trials and surge training if stamina appeared to not be up to par. Thus, some long runs and easy distance runs were quickly included back in the training schedules to balance out a runner's fitness. For a runner who was low on stamina, NO extended reps which were anaerobically natured would be included, but some short quick stuff that didn't build acidosis could be included.
From my perspective Arthur was saying, "Let's get you into good shape so that 4-6 weeks before the important race we can fine-tune your training to meet your individual needs at that time. If you need anaeorbic work, I'll give it to you, but in time trial or surge training form because "I know it won't wipe you out like lots of fast 400s will. Or, I can give you 5k and 10k time trials (about 5% slower than all-out) to enhance your stamina. Or, I can give you some longer runs to give you back to aerobic endurance. I can give you some sprints with full recovery if you have good stamina and anaerobic conditioning if you lack explosive ability."
It was smart planning and adjustment that made it all work for Arthur. You can see, as a supporter of intelligent training practices, that I respect the historical influence of coaches like Arthur, Bill, and others. None of the best coaches tried to cram a bunch of hard training in the last 2-4 weeks before the peak race. They got their athletes to start the build up plenty in advance, and then they fine tuned in the last month in order to bring a runner to full form; ready to rumble when it counted most.
Spot-on, Glenn! One possible situation I would add is when the lap-times (or whatever you want to call them) go all over the place. Then you might want to include some pace-judgement exercise.
College coach I mentioned earlier told me a couple of days ago that actually a couple of girls slowed down during the time trial (yeah, telling me after the fact!). Like Glenn said, time to revisit stamina. I told him to tell the girls to just jog for 60~90 minutes and no speed. Of course, they feel, hey, I'm slowing down; I need more speed! Time trials show all the vital signs from which you can construct the rest of workouts. That's why you just cannot simply write down generic weekly schedule and call it a day.
Again, however, you cannot coordinate something you haven't developed. You cannot just jump in and start doing lots of time trials.
Oasis,
check out paragraphs 7 and 8 in Tinman's note above. They (as well as the rest of his post) do a great job of covering the purpose and use of trials and race preparation.
Tinman, excellent post, in my humble opinion.
Glenn
Ron Holman was my coach when he wrote the book!!!
Glen - not Glenn
1000s at faster than 3k race pace with a LOT of rest. This kind of "speed training" worked really well for Moorcroft, and his 13-flat was absolutely brilliant. Obviously, many of the other pieces of the puzzle were in place for him in 1982, but I find that it's rare when runners do that kind of work. Many would actually feel guilty about the long recoveries. I think Moorcroft's methods are overlooked.
Thanks, Nobby.
Yeah, that does come from Karate Kid (at least the first three). After that, there is a girl that takes over and gets trained by Mr. Miagi (sp?). I wonder if there is a coach like Mr. Miagi? You know, he would be a coach who made you paint a fence and then mysteriously it helped your running. Ha, ha.
. . .and I should probably spell it Daniel San, except I was trying to make a tasteless pun. . .
Glen:
Thanks for the compliment about my post! I must say the same for you. You have shared information in a delightful and informative way. Thank you very much. Tinman
Tinman,
thank you. For me it is exhilarating and satisfying to be part of this thread. Arthur had a profound impact on me. By way of me alone, he has influenced well over a thousand runners. I want that to not be lost. Most of those runners are no longer active in the sport. It is sad to me to see that. Turns out my first coach, Mike Byrnes, one of the Nike HS track meet organizers, hosted Arthur at his home in the 1960's. So my relationship with Lydiard's training goes to my roots.
Glenn
It's great to have all this information in one compact thread! I was an average (at best) high school runner who now (age 21) wants to see if I can do anything with that lack of talent. All this info is incredibly helpful, especially when presented in this way: a flexible discussion. Lydiard's great, but seems pretty scatterbrained when reading his books, and this helps demystify that with interpretations, historical applications, etc.
Nobby, you'll have to excuse Skuj. He's Canadian, see, and has some problems translating into English :-) I can say things like that without fear of rebuttal cause he told me he might not have computer access for a few weeks. I don't believe him though...he'll sneak on somewhere to check the thread haha
So Tinman,
After reading all that about Quax and Moorcroft, I'm curious...while in base phase do you recommend a combination of longer tempo/stronger aerobic efforts (however you call them) and then these sort of "fake" interval sessions that are actually LT work?
In other words, since both tempo runs and the sessions you described are just LT work, what are some advantages of doing one over the other?
You always write so much, I feel almost guilty getting this info for free! So if you have time...thanks.
mike
Mike:
I can't speak for Moorcroft because I don't know him but in the case of Quaxie, I don't think he would have deliberately done repes at slower speed with short recovery during the build up. He was a kind of a guy who can run hard, hard, hard, then easy and just fine. On his liesurely long run, he would sometimes get down to 5-minute-mile pace. During conditioning, he just got out and ran hard! He was just absolutely phenomenal in that respect! So he didn't really need to break them down. When I first met him, I asked him what he thinks made him, or Dixon, Walker and all other Kiwis in general, so tough. Maybe hilly terrain, maybe diet... He said, "Well, we were a bunch of prisoners shipped from Europe. I'm sure many died along the way. It was survival of the fittest!" So whomever survived were a bunch of tough guys! (another one of those Qauxism you'd enjoy, jtupper!)
It didn't really work out that way for me. I couldn't push myself like that. So when I inserted some, say, mile reps; then I can include some higher end aerobic runs. It all depends on what you can handle and what you can't handle; what works best for you and what doesn't. Walker was the same way but if he didn't think he's getting a good quality miles, he would go on a track and run 5k time trial at strong pace or so. You'll know when you get into "tireless" state. You really can't get to it by just jogging, or LSD, alone.
Daniel-san; Hai! Ah-so... That's Mr. Miyagi, by the way... When I did student-teaching in Cheney, WA, some kids called me Mr. Miyagi because (1) they couldn't say my real name and/or (2) they actually thought it was my name! Any of the reader from Cheney? Coach Martin is still there!
What you said about Mr. Miyagi got me thinking... Okay, I'm ready to be criticized (for favoritism). When good ol' Art told his runners to go for a looooong run at slow speed; or go on some hills and hop like a kangaroo or a pogo-stick, people thought he was crazy and laughed at him. But mysteriously all his runners began to run fast... Ooooh...!
Coaching, or teaching, is funny and that's what makes it exciting. I always tell my daughter who is not so keen on math that I want to see "Ah!" in her. When I can get that from her, I know it'll stick in her head. Nothing fun about cramming things mechanically in someone. You may get points out if it; but it will not have the lasting effect.