I don't think you bed wetting lefties understand what this war with Russia you're so desperate to have would mean.
What would you do to solve the situation?
One thing I will say is this is the first time a US president has mentioned peace since this war began under Biden. Biden and his buddies just wanted to sell arms. They never wanted to see this war end. Unfortunately, Ukraine is running out of bodies, so we are at a point where we have to ask if we want to send American boys and girls to die in Ukraine or seek a compromise to end the war.
Oh look at that, I should probably read the news before making posts. Zelensky has already come crawling back and says he agrees to Trump's terms and wants the minerals deal.
Zelensky always wanted the minerals deal. That’s what the White House meeting was about.
Didn't really make sense not to sign it on Friday then since that's what he was there for. Instead he wanted to take jabs at Trump the US the whole time. Woopsies guess that wasn't a great strategy, Zelensky.
I remember a time when libs would fearmonger daily about how Trump's tweets were going to cause world war 3....Now they're pissed because Trump ISN'T causing world war 3. The liberal mind is a strange place.
yeah what we need here is more pontification about WW3 from the gaggle of fools that couldn’t be bother to study WW2 or WW1
and ppl thinking Trump is a fool on the world stage is a bipartisan and multinational enterprise btw
Zelensky always wanted the minerals deal. That’s what the White House meeting was about.
Didn't really make sense not to sign it on Friday then since that's what he was there for. Instead he wanted to take jabs at Trump the US the whole time. Woopsies guess that wasn't a great strategy, Zelensky.
The Americans refused. Again, from Trump’s perspective, that was the point.
One thing I will say is this is the first time a US president has mentioned peace since this war began under Biden. Biden and his buddies just wanted to sell arms. They never wanted to see this war end. Unfortunately, Ukraine is running out of bodies, so we are at a point where we have to ask if we want to send American boys and girls to die in Ukraine or seek a compromise to end the war.
Didn't really make sense not to sign it on Friday then since that's what he was there for. Instead he wanted to take jabs at Trump the US the whole time. Woopsies guess that wasn't a great strategy, Zelensky.
The Americans refused. Again, from Trump’s perspective, that was the point.
exactly.
the point here and the W for Moscow was to make Zelensky look insolent and ungrateful and to try to give credence to the prop coming from the Kremlin
Trump gets to look tough, check for Trump
Z looks like, according to the Kremlin, ‘an insolent pig’, win for Moscow
Russian media was even in attendance to report in real time. Funny how that happens
Didn't really make sense not to sign it on Friday then since that's what he was there for. Instead he wanted to take jabs at Trump the US the whole time. Woopsies guess that wasn't a great strategy, Zelensky.
The Americans refused. Again, from Trump’s perspective, that was the point.
Oh really? Show me a quote or some form of evidence that the US refused their own deal that they proposed.
No, what Zelensky wanted was direct security guarantees and NATO membership that would effectively bring the US and Europe into a war with Russia, he was not interested in the minerals deal. The deal was to provide indirect support and security by strategically putting the US into Ukraine, without showing military force. Zelensky is an idiot for refusing, instead trying to opt for WW3.
I'm afraid no amount of trying is going to help you understand things that are beyond you.
Okay, you are desperate just like Ukraine. There are answers over there, but you just cannot grasp the concept. Not saying I agree with them, but from Trump, Musk and Vance’s perspective, there is nothing about right or wrong, everything is about money and power. Based on their consensus, Ukraine is losing the war no matter how much US and Euro are helping them. If that continues, US will get nothing in return when Russia captures Ukraine at the end.
On the other hand, forcing a mineral agree is to stop loss and realize some kind of return. After a break with the peace deal, Russia may simply regroup and take the entire country. If that happens, Putin can tell Trump we are going to honor your agreement with Zelenskyy. We will also send elite soldiers from North Korea to protect your interests in Ukraine. If you don’t trust me, you can write another love letter to Kim to make sure. Peace deal is signed to be broken, but your minerals are secure.
At the end, mineral deal and security guarantee are two separate things. In Trump’s universe, if he can get minerals without getting involved with the war, he will brag this is the art of deal. Democrats will be pissed, Musk will be richer, MAGA will be happy, three birds with one stone. The rest of world really doesn’t matter.
Well, in high school I learned that if you insult people and lie about them before the meeting, its off to a bad start. You can't even be on the year book committee without working with others. Deal making 101 is you have to operate in good faith. This meeting is precisely what a meeting with young teenagers who lost their car privileges looks like. How embarrassing to be american right now. We are represented by the two lowest common denominators of our country.
I'm afraid no amount of trying is going to help you understand things that are beyond you.
Okay, you are desperate just like Ukraine. There are answers over there, but you just cannot grasp the concept. Not saying I agree with them, but from Trump, Musk and Vance’s perspective, there is nothing about right or wrong, everything is about money and power. Based on their consensus, Ukraine is losing the war no matter how much US and Euro are helping them. If that continues, US will get nothing in return when Russia captures Ukraine at the end.
On the other hand, forcing a mineral agree is to stop loss and realize some kind of return. After a break with the peace deal, Russia may simply regroup and take the entire country. If that happens, Putin can tell Trump we are going to honor your agreement with Zelenskyy. We will also send elite soldiers from North Korea to protect your interests in Ukraine. If you don’t trust me, you can write another love letter to Kim to make sure. Peace deal is signed to be broken, but your minerals are secure.
At the end, mineral deal and security guarantee are two separate things. In Trump’s universe, if he can get minerals without getting involved with the war, he will brag this is the art of deal. Democrats will be pissed, Musk will be richer, MAGA will be happy, three birds with one stone. The rest of world really doesn’t matter.
very real possibility Putin doesn’t live through the whole 2nd Trump term
The Americans refused. Again, from Trump’s perspective, that was the point.
Oh really? Show me a quote or some form of evidence that the US refused their own deal that they proposed.
No, what Zelensky wanted was direct security guarantees and NATO membership that would effectively bring the US and Europe into a war with Russia, he was not interested in the minerals deal. The deal was to provide indirect support and security by strategically putting the US into Ukraine, without showing military force. Zelensky is an idiot for refusing, instead trying to opt for WW3.
Yeah, I actually have a source for that. The US never wanted the deal. The point of the deal was to make a demand Ukraine couldn’t meet to justify cutting off weapons. When Ukraine agreed to the deal, the US had to find another reason for that. The temporary one they found was bluster and insults.
“The White House then announced that the deal had not been agreed - and said Trump had decided to call off the signing ceremony himself.”
Oh really? Show me a quote or some form of evidence that the US refused their own deal that they proposed.
No, what Zelensky wanted was direct security guarantees and NATO membership that would effectively bring the US and Europe into a war with Russia, he was not interested in the minerals deal. The deal was to provide indirect support and security by strategically putting the US into Ukraine, without showing military force. Zelensky is an idiot for refusing, instead trying to opt for WW3.
Yeah, I actually have a source for that. The US never wanted the deal. The point of the deal was to make a demand Ukraine couldn’t meet to justify cutting off weapons. When Ukraine agreed to the deal, the US had to find another reason for that. The temporary one they found was bluster and insults.
“The White House then announced that the deal had not been agreed - and said Trump had decided to call off the signing ceremony himself.”
Nothing in this article says that Trump purposely proposed a deal Ukraine couldn't agree to - if so, why is Zelensky suddenly interested in making the minerals deal if they "can't" do it? Trump was just being firm about his refusal to provide security guarantees, would would drag the US into a war with Russia immediately because Ukraine is already in the middle of a war.
Also, Trump called off the signing ceremony AFTER ZELENSKY RAN OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. This was literally stated one line above your quote, which you chose not to include.
Not long after - and well ahead of schedule - the Ukrainian president was seen leaving the White House.
The White House then announced that the deal had not been agreed - and said Trump had decided to call off the signing ceremony himself.
You're either a liar or just....not the brightest.
Yeah, I actually have a source for that. The US never wanted the deal. The point of the deal was to make a demand Ukraine couldn’t meet to justify cutting off weapons. When Ukraine agreed to the deal, the US had to find another reason for that. The temporary one they found was bluster and insults.
“The White House then announced that the deal had not been agreed - and said Trump had decided to call off the signing ceremony himself.”
Nothing in this article says that Trump purposely proposed a deal Ukraine couldn't agree to - if so, why is Zelensky suddenly interested in making the minerals deal if they "can't" do it? Trump was just being firm about his refusal to provide security guarantees, would would drag the US into a war with Russia immediately because Ukraine is already in the middle of a war.
Also, Trump called off the signing ceremony AFTER ZELENSKY RAN OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. This was literally stated one line above your quote, which you chose not to include.
Not long after - and well ahead of schedule - the Ukrainian president was seen leaving the White House.
The White House then announced that the deal had not been agreed - and said Trump had decided to call off the signing ceremony himself.
You're either a liar or just....not the brightest.
Ukraine can make the deal, they want to make the deal. The US does not want the deal. I’ve posted a source and you’ve posted a source that both agree on that.
See, AppeaserInTheRoom just shills for Putin. Every time his illogic gets pointed out, he just resorts to ad hominem attacks.
Adds no value to any thread.....
He actually taught everyone in the thread what appeasement actually is
in more ways than hell ever know
total potato
I simply asked a a question and none of you idiots could answer it.
Some because you're too stupid to understand the question and others because you're too dishonest to admit the answer to the question completely destroys your ignorant virtue signaling posture on Ukraine.
He actually taught everyone in the thread what appeasement actually is
in more ways than hell ever know
total potato
I simply asked a a question and none of you idiots could answer it.
Some because you're too stupid to understand the question and others because you're too dishonest to admit the answer to the question completely destroys your ignorant virtue signaling posture on Ukraine.
Please bear in mind you only think that because you're stupid.
It is widely accepted by historians that the Treaty of Versailles directly led to World War 2.
Of course you have absolutely no idea what that treaty was...
It's hysterical how liberals are always wrong and never in doubt.
now that youve had a couple of spins around the block with a new toy, i hope you realized at some point the answer to the question: What was the causes(s) of the second world war? is not a multiple choice question
20 years of geopolitical history and you think its ONE thing
its exactly what we highlighted before — youre easily walked wherever someone needs to lead you because there’s very little knowledge in that head of yours and its compounded by you being a total and laughable reactionary
I said the treaty was the primary cause.
You don't even know what the treaty was...
And here you are today demanding we create a powder keg in Russia because you're just certain Russia doesn't want a war.
What if the US does? What if Ukraine does?
I'm sure you have no idea what the Gulf of Tonkin was...
I simply asked a a question and none of you idiots could answer it.
Some because you're too stupid to understand the question and others because you're too dishonest to admit the answer to the question completely destroys your ignorant virtue signaling posture on Ukraine.
no one is quite advanced as you Mr Chamberlain
youre sure to bring us ‘peace in our time’
Chamberlain guaranteed Poland's security because like YOU he was convinced just the threat would be enough to scare Germany off.
It wasn't.
Putin knows NATO is a paper tiger without the US. Without the US committed any security guarantee from NATO is an empty threat.
Because you're a moron you don't see the danger here.
now that youve had a couple of spins around the block with a new toy, i hope you realized at some point the answer to the question: What was the causes(s) of the second world war? is not a multiple choice question
20 years of geopolitical history and you think its ONE thing
its exactly what we highlighted before — youre easily walked wherever someone needs to lead you because there’s very little knowledge in that head of yours and its compounded by you being a total and laughable reactionary
I said the treaty was the primary cause.
You don't even know what the treaty was...
And here you are today demanding we create a powder keg in Russia because you're just certain Russia doesn't want a war.
What if the US does? What if Ukraine does?
I'm sure you have no idea what the Gulf of Tonkin was...
lol again nice try, loser
funny attempt at face saving, pretty pathetic per usual
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