This is always the pertinent point in this argument. Are we to believe she's clean and runs 3:50 so doped, 3:45? Seriously? So the men's marathon record, assuming it's not doped either, would be 1:56?
I don't tell them that. I don't need to. They dope because they want to succeed. And it works, or no one would do it.
Yes you do. Hundreds of kids read these boards. You are telling young girls that they will never be able to run under 3:55 (or whatever) clean, and therefore will never be champion or in contention for world medals. But you have stated above, you are not a fan of the sport. You are just a cancer trying to ruin it for everyone else because you are frustrated with your own life.
Actually , I'm not frustrated with my life. I enjoy what I do. But I do recognise that professional sport and running in particular is now a complete fraud.
I saw her run a 3k track race in Sydney in March, she was in front, and when she hit the start/finish line with I can't recall if it was one or two laps to go, I think two, you could just see her so incredibly noticeably go up into another gear like I've never seen before. I commented about it to my athlete kids. It was like in a training run where you hit the start line, click your watch for timing and take off. She was in the front then and won. A season's best not a PR/PB. Second was another Australian Olympian, all top four were Olympians, including Linden Hall. Linden and Jess traded Australian 1500 metre records for the past two-three years, now it's Jess', 7 seconds ahead of Linden. It's seems odd for Jess to say it's down to Faith setting the new 'standard for a while now and it's about time we caught up to her', as she commented in a news piece this week pre-Olympics. And in Australia, the coverage, the Athletics Australia posts with all the congratulatory messages on Instagram for the Faith race and then 2k world record and not a single comment questioning it. Also thought it was interesting that after the 3.50 run she said she was surprised and thought she was in 3.52 shape, that would've seem more plausible (thought still questionable) progression. Whatever it is, uninjured quality training and Faith's lead, or something else, worked better than even she expected it seems. Interesting she relocated to Newcastle an hour-ish north or Sydney from her base an hour to 90 minutes south of Sydney this year. Why? Nothing much to pull you there from similar just south or Sydney where home is. Similar climate, coastal, similar everything. Other Newcastle based athletes like Olympian Rose Davies has taken 26 seconds off her 5k track time since Budapest August 2023 (15.07) to Tokyo (14.41) May 2024.
3:50 talent would have been noticeable at a younger age. She was a noted talent in youth but not 3:50-level. She would have a progression similar to Jakob or even El.G. THey were stunning the world at age 18, 19 already.
Her progression is closer to Katir. Just seems too good to be true.
Yes you do. Hundreds of kids read these boards. You are telling young girls that they will never be able to run under 3:55 (or whatever) clean, and therefore will never be champion or in contention for world medals. But you have stated above, you are not a fan of the sport. You are just a cancer trying to ruin it for everyone else because you are frustrated with your own life.
Actually , I'm not frustrated with my life. I enjoy what I do. But I do recognise that professional sport and running in particular is now a complete fraud.
You enjoy to write the absolute same things HUNDREDS (thousands?) of times?
How many times would you like to write that "professional sport and running in particular is now a complete fraud"?
Interesting she relocated to Newcastle an hour-ish north or Sydney from her base an hour to 90 minutes south of Sydney this year. Why? Nothing much to pull you there from similar just south or Sydney where home is. Similar climate, coastal, similar everything. Other Newcastle based athletes like Olympian Rose Davies has taken 26 seconds off her 5k track time since Budapest August 2023 (15.07) to Tokyo (14.41) May 2024.
Wow ... is that true? Didn't know that.
If that is true (fact checking required), it sounds really weird. There is no significant difference in climate or running terrain between the 'South Coast' and 'Central Coast' of New South Wales.
Actually , I'm not frustrated with my life. I enjoy what I do. But I do recognise that professional sport and running in particular is now a complete fraud.
You enjoy to write the absolute same things HUNDREDS (thousands?) of times?
How many times would you like to write that "professional sport and running in particular is now a complete fraud"?
Every time I read the usual bs here trying to justify the blatant and the implausible. You might not have noticed that there are other commenters here who are effectively saying the same things about the runner who is the subject of the thread.
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3:50 talent would have been noticeable at a younger age. She was a noted talent in youth but not 3:50-level. She would have a progression similar to Jakob or even El.G. THey were stunning the world at age 18, 19 already.
Her progression is closer to Katir. Just seems too good to be true.
This. There are personal biases that prevent some people from looking at this objectively. I was suspicious as hell of Shelby and equally suspicious of Katir. To me Jess is in that same category. She seems pleasant enough in interviews and I would love to be wrong, but we've seen too many similar situations recently that followed a similar trajectory.
You enjoy to write the absolute same things HUNDREDS (thousands?) of times?
How many times would you like to write that "professional sport and running in particular is now a complete fraud"?
Every time I read the usual bs here trying to justify the blatant and the implausible. You might not have noticed that there are other commenters here who are effectively saying the same things about the runner who is the subject of the thread.
I was never ever confronted with a person who has to say the absolute same things hundreds of times.
I know you will do it many hundreds of times more - your choice.
Interesting she relocated to Newcastle an hour-ish north or Sydney from her base an hour to 90 minutes south of Sydney this year. Why? Nothing much to pull you there from similar just south or Sydney where home is. Similar climate, coastal, similar everything. Other Newcastle based athletes like Olympian Rose Davies has taken 26 seconds off her 5k track time since Budapest August 2023 (15.07) to Tokyo (14.41) May 2024.
Wow ... is that true? Didn't know that.
If that is true (fact checking required), it sounds really weird. There is no significant difference in climate or running terrain between the 'South Coast' and 'Central Coast' of New South Wales.
Is that really true?
Confirmed in her own words in this piece for a sponsor. See Q&A answer 2 re relocating.
"We’ve also relocated to Newcastle and the heat and humidity is a fair bit stronger than I’ve been used to in recent years when I was based in the US or in Wollongong on the south coast..."
There's no difference between Newcastle and Wollongong, it's like San Diego to LA. Family in Wollongong. Her dad's her coach. Maybe her husband is from Newcastle, but he represented the Wollongong region (Illawarra) in hockey in under 21s.
I was wondering if someone would use the mile times to post the actual improvement. I calculated a 5.8 second improvement for Hull. For Yared Nuguse, I calculated a 5.7 second improvement. Both were in modern shoes, on a fast track and dragged to an amazing time by the world’s best pacers. Hull had a major change in the type of training for the year prior.
Ellie St. Pierre went from a relatively slow 4:02.34 1500m runner to having a 4.3 second improvement in 8 months. But that improvement was run in the 2nd fastest indoor mile time in history!
Nikki Hiltz and Corey McGee had relatively big improvements in one year and they’re nearly senior citizens by some people’s standards. And both of these improvements came after running two rounds. It wouldn’t shock me if they ran even faster this year.
I choose to believe that most or all of these runners are not doping and there are several good reasons for the bigger improvements in the last few years. Thinking everyone is doping is a miserable way to be a fan in my opinion.
Clearing up some of mischaracterizations: Nuguse: Yes he went from 3:33.26 in Padova to 3:43.97 (3:27.38c). However, this happened at ages 23 to 24 in his first to second year as a pro. Padova was a B-level meet where he won uncontested and going away (indicating not a maximal time) as opposed to a glorified time trial in Eugene with Jakob as pacer. He also had battled injury problems from over a year into summer of 2022, whereas Hull has been healthy nearly 4 years in a row. The improvements also came in more waves than Hull, a 3:47.38 mile indoors (3:30.54c) in February and Oslo 3:29.02 in June.
Hull: Her major change in training came ahead of 2023, not 2024 to be clear. Your argument reads like it was this year. Last year she got to a consistent 3:57 level and Monaco was 3:56.42c.
Hiltz: Hiltz certainly has gotten better and deserves some scrutiny as well. Hiltz did run 4:01.52 in non-superspikes (likely a 3:59.5 type performance) in Doha in the third race in 4 days. Now Hiltz is running 3:55.3, which is significant. Last year's peak was 3:57.36c from that Monaco mile, so it's about a 2s improvement (and rounds too). Hiltz is similarly in the second year under a new system (Mike Smith Elite), but seems to have battled more injuries and personal struggles in '20-'22 than Hull who's had more of a linear improvement to her career.
McGee: Yes it was a huge time drop, but McGee had run a 3:58.99c level time in the Bislett mile the year prior. It felt like more of a quirk that McGee had never broken 4, and a 1.5s drop for an athlete who has long been competitive with 3:57-4:00 women consistently doesn't seem as alarming. Even at age 32.
St. Pierre: The significant thing was ESP was split between the 1500 and 5000 in 2019. She ran 4:02.34 in June, and then chose the 5,000 for USAs and Worlds breaking 15 in the Finals. She was also much younger than Hull like Nuguse (age 24). 2020 was her second year as a pro. 2019 was her first. In 2020 the switch was made to the 1500 and that Millrose Mile is worth 3:57.82c.
Re the World Athletics article where she said "I think we have all just watched Faith Kipyegon do what Faith’s done the last few years. Like hey, if you want to be as good as Faith, this is what you have to do. She has certainly had a huge effect on our event group, and she has led by such an example that she has brought us all with her."
I watch what Faith has done too - hasn't helped me run faster. Faith's "brought us all with her" - no, you have to run the time yourself. I'm not running 7 seconds faster this year despite Faith's inspiration. That magic of leading by example/bringing people along with you doesn't seem work for me? Nor training, or being injury free for a few years. I must need something else...
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Curious about what a typical day in the life looks like for a professional track athlete? We chatted to Australian Olympian and True Athlete, Jess Hull about all things nutrition, training and routine.
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If that is true (fact checking required), it sounds really weird. There is no significant difference in climate or running terrain between the 'South Coast' and 'Central Coast' of New South Wales.
Is that really true?
Confirmed in her own words in this piece for a sponsor. See Q&A answer 2 re relocating.
"We’ve also relocated to Newcastle and the heat and humidity is a fair bit stronger than I’ve been used to in recent years when I was based in the US or in Wollongong on the south coast..."
There's no difference between Newcastle and Wollongong, it's like San Diego to LA. Family in Wollongong. Her dad's her coach. Maybe her husband is from Newcastle, but he represented the Wollongong region (Illawarra) in hockey in under 21s.
Forgot to post the link to the Q&A for sponsor article -
Curious about what a typical day in the life looks like for a professional track athlete? We chatted to Australian Olympian and True Athlete, Jess Hull about all things nutrition, training and routine.
Actually , I'm not frustrated with my life. I enjoy what I do. But I do recognise that professional sport and running in particular is now a complete fraud.
You enjoy to write the absolute same things HUNDREDS (thousands?) of times?
How many times would you like to write that "professional sport and running in particular is now a complete fraud"?
