There are people who make the argument that the woman assumes the risk to her life when she gets pregnant. The fetus is innocent! The mother is not! Etc. If you admit that life-of-mother abortions are ok, then you're conceding the above argument. There are other arguments to make, sure, but that one is refutable.
If a woman loves the child she will choose the child over herself. That's parenting 101.
My wife made it very clear if I had to choose between her and the baby living the baby was her choice.
Most abortions are done purely for convenience by women who simply can't be bothered with a baby.
It is WILDLY dishonest to keep pretending that rape, incest, and life of the mother abortions are anything but a fraction of the 60+ million abortions.
If it’s acceptable to have an abortion because of rape or incest, then it’s acceptable for other reasons.
If a woman loves the child she will choose the child over herself. That's parenting 101.
My wife made it very clear if I had to choose between her and the baby living the baby was her choice.
Most abortions are done purely for convenience by women who simply can't be bothered with a baby.
It is WILDLY dishonest to keep pretending that rape, incest, and life of the mother abortions are anything but a fraction of the 60+ million abortions.
No the argument is for a medical procedure that saves the mother when the fetus is already lost. It's either 2 deaths or 1 death.
No it doesn't. It means you should try to save 1 life instead of 0 lives. That is totally consistent with being pro-life.
There are people who make the argument that the woman assumes the risk to her life when she gets pregnant. The fetus is innocent! The mother is not! Etc. If you admit that life-of-mother abortions are ok, then you're conceding the above argument. There are other arguments to make, sure, but that one is refutable.
Well yeah maybe there are. But I don't think you have to agree with that argument to be consistently pro-life.
If abortion is murder, then the only exception would be for self defense if you are going to use the existing legal framework. Unless a fetus gets a hold of a gun and points it at the mother (something that might be a possibility in states like Texas), then you will not have an exception to abortion and women who are raped will be forced to carry the rapist's baby to term.
As to the idea that abortion is unnecessary because women can control whether they get pregnant, the only way to really control whether you get pregnant is to abstain from sex. Condoms break, birth control pills are not 100% effective (I know several families who have a child who was a surprise due to birth control failing), and even vasectomies fail (about 1/1000 chance of pregnancy after vasectomy). Only a hysterectomy is 100% effective. And that is a very serious surgical procedure that can have serious long term side effects (and it is permanent and cannot be reversed).
So, setting aside the fact that banning abortion means that women can be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy which is about as close to outright slavery in modern times, forcing women to abstain from sex in order to avoid being forced to carry to term an unwanted pregnancy is also a massive intrusion on women's freedom that you would more likely expect in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan than the US. The right to have sex is fundamental to our personal liberty and if the 14th amendment's reference to "life, liberty and property" does not include the right to have sex then women are truly second class citizens who do not receive equal protection under the law.
Nobody is restricting anyone's cooms, coomer. Some people just believe it's wrong to kill someone because your condom broke. If banning abortion is "slavery" (because apparently banning abortion means forcing women to get pregnant, according to coomer logic), then allowing abortion is genocide.
All of this is based on the coomer idea that women don't have control over their sex drives and therefor can't prevent coom from entering their bodies, otherwise they would be considered responsible for their own coom intake.
You are saying that the government has the right to dictate to women when they can and cannot have sex by withholding abortion services. Forcing women to abstain from sex unless they are willing to carry a pregnancy to term is the ultimate subjugation of women in society to second class handmaids. If the term "limited government" means anything, then having government deciding when women can have sex is about the biggest overreach and intrusion into private lives imaginable.
There were protestors with pre-made signs outside the Supreme court 10 minutes after the story broke. Every liberal news outlet was using the same talking points almost immediately.
Anyone who thinks a conservative leaked this is a fool.
Did you see the consistent messaging from conservative media? “Insurrection” in every tweet. They were ready for this.
Someone in Thomas or Alito’s office leaked this to make sure that Roberts couldn’t pick off a vote.
We shall see. All signs point to Sotomayor currently. Activism has always lived on the left and she's got some loony clerks.
If a woman loves the child she will choose the child over herself. That's parenting 101.
My wife made it very clear if I had to choose between her and the baby living the baby was her choice.
Most abortions are done purely for convenience by women who simply can't be bothered with a baby.
It is WILDLY dishonest to keep pretending that rape, incest, and life of the mother abortions are anything but a fraction of the 60+ million abortions.
If it’s acceptable to have an abortion because of rape or incest, then it’s acceptable for other reasons.
The #1 reason is "I don't want a baby". That's the worst reason.
Republicans have no problem mandating morality and behavior of others. Just as long as it is their definition of morality and as long as they have personal options to bypass such morality for themselves. Abortion checks that box.
This is very common. ie: Opposed to illegal immigration yet hire illegals to work on your mansion and your company. Oppose government handouts to poor yet gobble them up for yourself. Ban books that teach about slavery as grooming, yet push for bible in schools.
So women should not have sex with men. So then who will men have sex with if they're not homosexual? Beastiality is still permissible in some states.
We have a lot of people on here saying women can't have sex, and then we see threads on here about guys who can't find a girlfriend or are virgins. So which is it? Because sex is a normal part of being human. It's sad if you're not having sex.
BTW, contraception fails a lot of people. That is also a large reason why people have to turn to abortion.
You are saying that the government has the right to dictate to women when they can and cannot have sex by withholding abortion services. Forcing women to abstain from sex unless they are willing to carry a pregnancy to term is the ultimate subjugation of women in society to second class handmaids. If the term "limited government" means anything, then having government deciding when women can have sex is about the biggest overreach and intrusion into private lives imaginable.
I didn’t read more than the first sentence. Your exaggeration is laughable.
Republicans have no problem mandating morality and behavior of others. Just as long as it is their definition of morality and as long as they have personal options to bypass such morality for themselves. Abortion checks that box.
This is very common. ie: Opposed to illegal immigration yet hire illegals to work on your mansion and your company. Oppose government handouts to poor yet gobble them up for yourself. Ban books that teach about slavery as grooming, yet push for bible in schools.
You're confused by this because you can't comprehend that morality isn't subjective to non-narcissists.
People play with the rules of the system they live in.
Republicans refuse to buy books for schools that teach that all white people are irredeemably racist by birth.
Democrats ban "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "Huckleberry Finn".
So women should not have sex with men. So then who will men have sex with if they're not homosexual? Beastiality is still permissible in some states.
We have a lot of people on here saying women can't have sex, and then we see threads on here about guys who can't find a girlfriend or are virgins. So which is it? Because sex is a normal part of being human. It's sad if you're not having sex.
BTW, contraception fails a lot of people. That is also a large reason why people have to turn to abortion.
If you're worried about being pregnant why wait 3 months?
The majority of Americans accept first trimester abortion.
Democrats demand the right to abort right up to the moment of birth and then murdering the baby if it's born alive if the abortion fails.
The majority of Americans do not agree what the Democrats mainstream view is.
The fact that everyone here concedes that abortion is OK to protect the life of the mother means that some kind of absolutist sanctity of life argument is BS.
By the logic we've seen here, the mother should be prepared to die with her baby as this is a known risk of having sex and getting pregnant. The fact that everyone concedes a carve-out for the mother's health cracks any absolutist argument and basically ruins the argument of anyone wanting a ban on early-term abortions (at least).
The again, hard-core conservatives wouldn't know about consistency if it slapped them in the face, so I'm sure they're perfectly comfortable letting a completely contradictory logical framework rattle around in their head.
I along with many others concede no such thing. Abortion should be banned outright. There goes your argument.
About 1-2% of pregnancies are ectopic, meaning the fertilized egg doesn't move into the womb and the embryo develops in the fallopian tube. At some point between 6 and 16 weeks the tube will burst which causes internal bleeding and is a life-threatening medical emergency.
An outright ban means 1 in 50 women will have to have emergency surgery to save their life when part of their reproductive organ explodes. I guess that's something they should have thought about before having sex with Chad.
I along with many others concede no such thing. Abortion should be banned outright. There goes your argument.
About 1-2% of pregnancies are ectopic, meaning the fertilized egg doesn't move into the womb and the embryo develops in the fallopian tube. At some point between 6 and 16 weeks the tube will burst which causes internal bleeding and is a life-threatening medical emergency.
An outright ban means 1 in 50 women will have to have emergency surgery to save their life when part of their reproductive organ explodes. I guess that's something they should have thought about before having sex with Chad.
Yea, it is something to think about when having sex with Chad. People need to think pat their next orgasm. Thanks for playing.
Have fun red staters with the blue balls. Hope you perfect your pullout method while i stay busy creampieing your sisters and ex's that moved to the coasts.
About 1-2% of pregnancies are ectopic, meaning the fertilized egg doesn't move into the womb and the embryo develops in the fallopian tube. At some point between 6 and 16 weeks the tube will burst which causes internal bleeding and is a life-threatening medical emergency.
An outright ban means 1 in 50 women will have to have emergency surgery to save their life when part of their reproductive organ explodes. I guess that's something they should have thought about before having sex with Chad.
Yea, it is something to think about when having sex with Chad. People need to think pat their next orgasm. Thanks for playing.
Also, you are a very disingenuous nasty person. Ectopic pregnancy does not occur 1-2% of the time in the general population. It occurs about 1 in 30000 pregnancies. The 1-2 percent figure is with fertility treatments.
Have fun red staters with the blue balls. Hope you perfect your pullout method while i stay busy creampieing your sisters and ex's that moved to the coasts.
This is the typical male blue vote right here. Angry old white women, minorities who haven't woken up yet, and weak men like this are the base. Sad.
Have fun red staters with the blue balls. Hope you perfect your pullout method while i stay busy creampieing your sisters and ex's that moved to the coasts.
This is the typical male blue vote right here. Angry old white women, minorities who haven't woken up yet, and weak men like this are the base. Sad.
Whatever you say. I will keep bustin in your sister and her friends while you sit at home watching fox and friends.
Have fun red staters with the blue balls. Hope you perfect your pullout method while i stay busy creampieing your sisters and ex's that moved to the coasts.
This is the typical male blue vote right here. Angry old white women, minorities who haven't woken up yet, and weak men like this are the base. Sad.
How much do you have to bench to be a Republican? 200?
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