Listening to your trump monkey GOPers contorting themselves trying every argument possible to water down the president’s act as normal. First it was we haven’t seen the transcript, then it was well there was no quid pro quo, then there was quid pro quo but it’s totally normal everybody does it, now it’s also everybody else heard the call and said it was fine. In a matter of a few weeks they did a 180 from an already very weak position.
X-Runner wrote:
Bribery
Forget calling this a quid pro pro, it’s bribery.
The public can understand that term.
Trump bribed the president of Ukraine by offering military aid in exchange for announcing a public investigation into the Bidens.
A quid pro who can be legal.
Bribery is never legal.
Oh ... so the quid pro quo is not gaining much traction? Laughable. The last few months Trump needs to be impeached because of quid pro quo. Unfortunately, that puppy wasn't going anywhere. So, the goal posts have to be moved and now it is going to be bribery or extortion. The Mueller report was a dud. Quid pro quo is a dud. What else is going to be a dud? The election is going to be coming up kinda soon. How about forgetting sham investigations and remove him by the ballot box?
This guy has it exactly right. Partisan parrots will not agree.
Sally Vix wrote:
X-Runner wrote:
Bribery
Forget calling this a quid pro pro, it’s bribery.
The public can understand that term.
Trump bribed the president of Ukraine by offering military aid in exchange for announcing a public investigation into the Bidens.
A quid pro who can be legal.
Bribery is never legal.
Oh ... so the quid pro quo is not gaining much traction? Laughable. The last few months Trump needs to be impeached because of quid pro quo. Unfortunately, that puppy wasn't going anywhere. So, the goal posts have to be moved and now it is going to be bribery or extortion. The Mueller report was a dud. Quid pro quo is a dud. What else is going to be a dud? The election is going to be coming up kinda soon. How about forgetting sham investigations and remove him by the ballot box?
Unfortunately trumpanzees are too dumb to understand quid pro quo
Fairness. wrote:
This guy has it exactly right. Partisan parrots will not agree.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-donald-trump-whistleblower-kass-20191109-4y5nwaa4enbvrbpfq7gfpwdrba-story.html
You just love to pile on the Stupid, don't you? Just can't help yourself.
The whistleblower is not relevant. Their only part in this was to bring attention to potentially unlawful acts. It is the acts in question that are relevant. It is quite simple. Well, at least quite simple for anyone with a brain. Maybe you should try to get one.
The goal posts aren’t being moved.
Bribery is an illegal form of quid pro quo.
Trump bribed Zelensky, correct?
Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Oh ... so the quid pro quo is not gaining much traction? Laughable.
Unfortunately trumpanzees are too dumb to understand quid pro quo
quid pro quo = a favor traded for a favor
In Trump's case his "favor" is Congressionally approved money. The favor he wants in return is a personal one to help steal another election. As X-Runner put it: bribery. For Trumpanzees: Give a cop $20 to not get a speeding ticket.
My main concern is all the death threats. So many witnesses have testified, trumpers may run out of ammo.
WTF^n wrote:
Fairness. wrote:
This guy has it exactly right. Partisan parrots will not agree.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-donald-trump-whistleblower-kass-20191109-4y5nwaa4enbvrbpfq7gfpwdrba-story.htmlYou just love to pile on the Stupid, don't you? Just can't help yourself.
The whistleblower is not relevant. Their only part in this was to bring attention to potentially unlawful acts. It is the acts in question that are relevant. It is quite simple. Well, at least quite simple for anyone with a brain. Maybe you should try to get one.
New trump logic - as long as he can’t face his “accuser” then he really didn’t commit any wrongdoing. Trump’s guilt is solely dependent on the whistleblower being identified, otherwise it doesn’t matter if he bribed Ukraine.
quid pro something wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Unfortunately trumpanzees are too dumb to understand quid pro quo
quid pro quo = a favor traded for a favor
In Trump's case his "favor" is Congressionally approved money. The favor he wants in return is a personal one to help steal another election. As X-Runner put it: bribery. For Trumpanzees: Give a cop $20 to not get a speeding ticket.
Wait, but that’s only illegal if the person who told on them reveals himself no?
jesseriley wrote:
My main concern is all the death threats. So many witnesses have testified, trumpers may run out of ammo.
Well thankfully all the witnesses have been unmasked as deep state operatives, so their testimony is useless.
Good one.
Senator Kennedy of Louisiana said at a trump rally, “It must suck to be that dumb {wiping his mouth}.” Trump replied, “You’ll learn, you just need more practice.”
Trollminator wrote:
New trump logic - as long as he can’t face his “accuser” then he really didn’t commit any wrongdoing. Trump’s guilt is solely dependent on the whistleblower being identified, otherwise it doesn’t matter if he bribed Ukraine.
I'm 100% in favor of Trump facing his accusor during the public inquiry.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
https://www.scribd.com/document/434096894/Rm-Ltr-to-Chm-Re-Deposition-Request-8-Nov-19
With the testimony which has been released thus far, who the whistleblower is, what he or she had to say and who he had to say it to is nearly irrelevant.
However, it is the only "defense" the Republicans have and that's assuming anyone wishes to refer to the motion as a defense. I guess the WH has to have something to tell the nitwit base.
We’ve got Ignorance & Nunes backing this, so if we can get putin & the ku klux klan to weigh in, we’ll have to take it seriously.
Not the Onion and actual real article about a real quote from Don Jr book.
Not only do people like trigged want to see Trump own the libs they also want to see Don Jr own the libs.
But who has really been owned? The trumpeters would be foaming at the mouth if a Democrat done or said similar.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50338236
Remember when conservatives supported the troops and veterans. Now their loyalty lies with a fraud who ripped of America’s veterans. That’s who you are.
Sally Vix wrote:
X-Runner wrote:
Bribery
Forget calling this a quid pro pro, it’s bribery.
The public can understand that term.
Trump bribed the president of Ukraine by offering military aid in exchange for announcing a public investigation into the Bidens.
A quid pro who can be legal.
Bribery is never legal.
Oh ... so the quid pro quo is not gaining much traction? Laughable. The last few months Trump needs to be impeached because of quid pro quo. Unfortunately, that puppy wasn't going anywhere. So, the goal posts have to be moved and now it is going to be bribery or extortion. The Mueller report was a dud. Quid pro quo is a dud. What else is going to be a dud? The election is going to be coming up kinda soon. How about forgetting sham investigations and remove him by the ballot box?
1) Not our fault that Trumpers and people who still might consider voting for Trump are so stupid they can't understand "quid pro quo".
2) The fact of the matter is that what Trump has done IS Bribery. We should call it what it is. It's extortion too, but "Bribery" is listed specifically as an impeachable offense, so we should stick with that...it IS what it is anyway.
3) You continue to show how stupid you are with regard to the Mueller Report. Trump is still in BIG trouble with regard to the obstruction of justice clearly listed there. The fact of the matter is that House Democrats were leaning toward letting those fact go, but then criminal Trump had to continue being criminal Trump and did the Ukraine thing. Just opened it up for ALL of it to come down on him like a load of bricks.
4) Defend yourself calling this a "sham" investigation. The call readout shows he broke the law. Several witnesses have said he broke the law. Mulvaney said he broke the law. Guliani said he broke the law. Trump broke the law in front of us on camera. Democrats have the power in the House and they have been doing everything on the up and up. They are following the rules that REPUBLICANS set up to benefit THEM (Republicans) and now they call foul. Republicans wanted a public hearing and now that they have one, they continue to call foul...talk about moving the goal posts.
Here's the thing about Trump, if for some reason he were able to squirm out of this, there WILL be another thing he does that starts it all over again...BECAUSE HE IS A CRIMINAL...and criminals gonna criminal.
You are not a good person. I hope you find a way to become one.
The Fokus wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
New trump logic - as long as he can’t face his “accuser” then he really didn’t commit any wrongdoing. Trump’s guilt is solely dependent on the whistleblower being identified, otherwise it doesn’t matter if he bribed Ukraine.
I'm 100% in favor of Trump facing his accusor during the public inquiry.
Why? We have whistle blower protection laws that say a whistle blower is allowed to remain anonymous. Whistle blowers have come forward and found to not have the correct facts or that the information they provided was not actionable. That is not the case here. This whistle blower started the whole thing, but we have complete corroboration from many others at this point and acknowledgement that he did it from the target himself.
Whistle blowers are allowed to remain anonymous. Anyone who outs a whistle blower should face legal consequences.
Flagpole wrote:
The Fokus wrote:
I'm 100% in favor of Trump facing his accusor during the public inquiry.
Why?
Trump answering questions in a public inquiry?
By the time he was finished the whistleblower could be elected President.