This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
I didn't think the antivaxers could get more stupid, pathetic and self centered in an attempt to "win" their online keyboard epidemiology battles. But this thread page proved me wrong. Bunch of effing idiots.
I didn't think the antivaxers could get more stupid, pathetic and self centered in an attempt to "win" their online keyboard epidemiology battles. But this thread page proved me wrong. Bunch of effing idiots.
Then typically logic and fact filled dispassionate argument of the Covid believers.
You take away credibility from legitimate vaccine injuries when you blame unrelated things on vaccines.
So we have a cardiac event unlike anything we've ever seen on an NFL field and the only thing we know for sure is the covid vaccine wasn't a factor.
At least, some variation of the above is what we've been hearing for the last year.
Similarly in another politicized branch of what should be science--global warming; where every hurricane or flood or even blizzard is due to higher CO2.
When you politicize a subject and start censoring dissenters, don't be surprised when the other side does the same.
"In our population of recreational endurance athletes, booster vaccination with the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine resulted in a statistically significant decrease in VO2max 7 days after vaccination."
"In our population of recreational endurance athletes, booster vaccination with the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine resulted in a statistically significant decrease in VO2max 7 days after vaccination."
What kind of idiot must one be to actually take a dewormer ivermectin which has absolutely nothing in any study anywhere about using for Covid, but you're stupid ass doesn't want a vax. I mean natural selection takes over at some point right?
— Uche Nwaneri The Observant Lineman♎ #Snydercut (@Chukwu77) August 30, 2021
"In our population of recreational endurance athletes, booster vaccination with the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine resulted in a statistically significant decrease in VO2max 7 days after vaccination."
The vax mob mafia has unleashed a monster of unparalleled horror. We can only hope that humanity will be spared the most cataclysmic outcome.
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Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants? The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity.
Allysia Finley, WSJ; Jan. 1, 2023 10:08 am ET
Public-health experts are sounding the alarm about a new Omicron variant dubbed XBB that is rapidly spreading across the Northeast U.S. Some studies suggest it is as different from the original Covid strain from Wuhan as the 2003 SARS virus. Should Americans be worried?
It isn’t clear that XBB is any more lethal than other variants, but its mutations enable it to evade antibodies from prior infection and vaccines as well as existing monoclonal antibody treatments. Growing evidence also suggests that repeated vaccinations may make people more susceptible to XBB and could be fueling the virus’s rapid evolution.
Prior to Omicron’s emergence in November 2021, there were only four variants of concern: Alpha, Beta, Delta and Gamma. Only Alpha and Delta caused surges of infections globally. But Omicron has begotten numerous descendents, many of which have popped up in different regions of the world curiously bearing some of the same mutations.
“Such rapid and simultaneous emergence of multiple variants with enormous growth advantages is unprecedented,” a Dec. 19 study in the journal Nature notes. Under selective evolutionary pressures, the virus appears to have developed mutations that enable it to transmit more easily and escape antibodies elicited by vaccines and prior infection.
The same study posits that immune imprinting may be contributing to the viral evolution. Vaccines do a good job of training the immune system to remember and knock out the original Wuhan variant. But when new and markedly different strains come along, the immune system responds less effectively.
Bivalent vaccines that target the Wuhan and BA.5 variants (or breakthrough infections with the latter) prompt the immune system to produce antibodies that target viral regions the two strains have in common. In Darwinian terms, mutations that allow the virus to evade common antibodies win out—they make it “fitter.”
XBB has evolved to elude antibodies induced by the vaccines and breakthrough infections. Hence, the Nature study suggests, “current herd immunity and BA.5 vaccine boosters may not efficiently prevent the infection of Omicron convergent variants.”
A New England Journal of Medicine study published last month provides more evidence of the vulnerability caused by immune imprinting. Neutralizing antibodies of people who had received the bivalent were 26 times as high against the original Wuhan variant as they were against XBB and four times as high as they were against Omicron and the BA.5 variant.
Similarly, a study this month in the journal Cell found that antibody levels of people who had received four shots were 145 times as high against the original Wuhan strain as the XBB variant. A bivalent booster only slightly increased antibodies against XBB. Experts nevertheless claim that boosters improve protection against XBB. That’s disinformation, to use their favored term.
A Cleveland Clinic study that tracked its healthcare workers found that bivalent vaccines reduced the risk of getting infected by 30% while the BA.5 variant was spreading. But, as the study explained, the reason might be that workers who were more cautious—i.e., more likely to wear N95 masks and avoid large gatherings—may have also been more likely to get boosted.
Notably, workers who had received more doses were at higher risk of getting sick. Those who received three more doses were 3.4 times as likely to get infected as the unvaccinated, while those who received two were only 2.6 times as likely.
“This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19,” the authors noted. “We still have a lot to learn about protection from COVID-19 vaccination, and in addition to a vaccine’s effectiveness it is important to examine whether multiple vaccine doses given over time may not be having the beneficial effect that is generally assumed.”
Two years ago, vaccines were helpful in reducing severe illness, particularly among the elderly and those with health risks like diabetes and obesity. But experts refuse to concede that boosters have yielded diminishing benefits and may even have made individuals and the population as a whole more vulnerable to new variants like XBB.
It might not be a coincidence that XBB surged this fall in Singapore, which has among the highest vaccination and booster rates in the world. Over the past several weeks a XBB strain has become predominant in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts, making up about three-quarters of virus samples that have been genetically sequenced. The variant has been slower to take off in other regions, making up only 6% of the Midwest and about 20% in the South. The Northeast is also the most vaccinated and boosted region in the country.
Hospitalizations in the Northeast have risen too, but primarily among those over 70. One reason may be that the T-Cell response—the cavalry riding behind the front-line antibodies—is weaker in older people. The virus can’t evade T-Cells elicited by vaccines and infections as easily as it can antibodies. Because of T-Cells, younger people are still well-protected against new variants.
Another reason may be that monoclonal antibodies are ineffective against XBB, and many older people who catch Covid can’t take the antiviral Paxlovid because they have medical conditions such as severe kidney disease or take drugs that interfere with it.
The Biden administration’s monomaniacal focus on vaccines over new treatments has left the highest-risk Americans more vulnerable to new variants. Why doesn’t that seem to worry the experts?
This piece is so bad lol. I can't believe they try to argue XBB is surging in the NE because it's more boosted.
Also the paragraphs where they say that a booster improves antibody response to XBB and then call it 'disinformation' to say a booster improves protection. What??? You can't make this stuff up. Literally contradicting themselves from one sentence to the next.
But I guess we will see this stuff forever -- some people will never understand that 95% effective != 100% effective. Anytime COVID kills people it's the vaccine's fault for not saving everyone. Meanwhile, they will guzzle random supplements that do nothing and pretend it is helping. And, yes as always, the base rate fallacy. I guess if I were so confidently stupid I could get published in WSJ Opinion as well.
"In our population of recreational endurance athletes, booster vaccination with the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine resulted in a statistically significant decrease in VO2max 7 days after vaccination."
7 days? Big surprise. The immune system requires energy, last time I checked.
I set a big 20 min test PR on the bike ~4 weeks after shot 2 and again ~6 weeks after shot 3. This is perfect convincing evidence under the antivaxxer's anecdotal evidence guidelines.
We were chill. Lol. Here's my question for you. Why is medical school (MD) viewed as more prestigious than graduate school (PhD). Aren't (or shouldn't) researchers be more valuable to biomedicine since they actually develop pharmaceuticals? I've gotten ridiculed much more than I've gotten congratulated for my MS acceptance.
We were chill. Lol. Here's my question for you. Why is medical school (MD) viewed as more prestigious than graduate school (PhD). Aren't (or shouldn't) researchers be more valuable to biomedicine since they actually develop pharmaceuticals? I've gotten ridiculed much more than I've gotten congratulated for my MS acceptance.
More people want to be doctors than scientists... it's more stable, pays more on average, and is oftentimes a better lifestyle.
I doubt you were ridiculed for an MS acceptance unless it was a joke of program.
We were chill. Lol. Here's my question for you. Why is medical school (MD) viewed as more prestigious than graduate school (PhD). Aren't (or shouldn't) researchers be more valuable to biomedicine since they actually develop pharmaceuticals? I've gotten ridiculed much more than I've gotten congratulated for my MS acceptance.
Ok good, glad we are chill. Being a doctor is more prestigious than a PhD for a lot of reasons. Interacting directly with patients and providing care is certainly a big reason. Most researchers are behind the scenes.
We were chill. Lol. Here's my question for you. Why is medical school (MD) viewed as more prestigious than graduate school (PhD). Aren't (or shouldn't) researchers be more valuable to biomedicine since they actually develop pharmaceuticals? I've gotten ridiculed much more than I've gotten congratulated for my MS acceptance.
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"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent ... Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, "I can nudge this up a bit," so I went to 80, 85. We need to have some humility here .... We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent." Anthony Fauci, December 2020
We were chill. Lol. Here's my question for you. Why is medical school (MD) viewed as more prestigious than graduate school (PhD). Aren't (or shouldn't) researchers be more valuable to biomedicine since they actually develop pharmaceuticals? I've gotten ridiculed much more than I've gotten congratulated for my MS acceptance.
Apply for the new Fauci Scholarship. A free ride to learn how to make decisions about public health policy based on public opinion polls.
"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent ... Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, "I can nudge this up a bit," so I went to 80, 85. We need to have some humility here .... We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent." Anthony Fauci, December 2020
I would guess the threshold for herd immunity to the original COVID variant is probably 70-90%? How will we ever know?
It’s fair to make fun of people for being wrong but, then, there might be value in looking inward as well.
This post does not make the point you want it too lol. You are very stuck in 2020. How many days into the state of emergency are we??
Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.
We were chill. Lol. Here's my question for you. Why is medical school (MD) viewed as more prestigious than graduate school (PhD). Aren't (or shouldn't) researchers be more valuable to biomedicine since they actually develop pharmaceuticals? I've gotten ridiculed much more than I've gotten congratulated for my MS acceptance.
Definitely not more prestigious. If you want prestige but also with a research bent, opt for a Medical Scientist program (MD/PhD). They are tougher to get into than traditional MD programs (typical MDs are smart, but they are not the smartest like scientists, mathematicians, and physicists). Also, if you play your cards right, you will get free tuition and can earn a stipend the entire time. Career earnings max out well below a physician’s pay, on average, but, if you love research with clinical translation, this is not a bad way to go. It is a commitment.
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