Yes there needs to be more talk about BITR, which is the worst of the worst in terms of runfluencers right now.
They are supposedly leading a sub 4 pace group at nyc. The only one who could reliably do this is Meg, but she will be going much faster, so it’s up to Robbe and Thomas apparently to lead the group. Best of luck!
They are starting their first “dirt division” podcast. The leader of this seems to be Taylor, who dnf’ed leadville this year and quit his teaching job in order to shill product. Go bitr!
Godspeed to all the innocent hobbyjoggers lining up for their first sub 4.
Seriously though, are NYC really that lax with pacers? My local RDs wouldn’t touch those guys with a cattle prod and they have a way smaller pool of applicants. Also just seems kind of stupid to pick someone who’s going to be more focused on getting footage the whole time, but anything for the influencers I guess.
I'm pretty sure it's an "informal" sub 4 pace group, NYCM isn't vouching for them
Don't ask me why I was still receiving it or reading it, but I finally had to unsubscribe from Stephen Scullion's newsletter after the latest one. He is constantly moaning about how his old tempo pace feels hard these days (no, really? After training less than before?), but today was extra hard because he had to work from 8:30am to 1pm cleaning out his stockroom and he didn't really feel like doing tempo. Poor lad. Truly heartbroken for him. A 2:09 guy having to perform 3 hours of labour is an injustice.
I came across a review video of his shorts today, they seem pretty good but I think the guy in the video found his Chinese factory.
So Jake/RTJ is currently at 193km for this week with a marathon this weekend with Jake noting that he doesn't really plan to taper for his A race in Valencia in 6 weeks. How we feeling about his sub 2:10 goals?
Mo Abdin has finally posted his Chicago video and my goodness does he pull out all the excuses and reasons for not running sub 2:30 (despite his PB being 2:38:27?). From 'I had nine trips already booked, an ultra, two marathons, and a few other travels booked', to Achilles, calf and hamstring injuries. At least he didn't blame his GPS, but as he said 'I'd never lapped my watch in a race before, so I wasn't about to start doing that then.' True heroism.
Despite all the travel, races and injuries it was apparently his best ever block - 'the race is not a reflection of how well the training went. It's an isolated incident of 2.5 - 3 hours on a random Sunday'.
I used to be indifferent to him but had a mild interest since he is more muscular/heavier than most Youtubers shooting for sub 2:30. However, from what I've seen from him he is becoming highly unlikable. He is treating running like a way to vacation and travel the world on the company dime. Fair enough, I would love to do the same. But don't try and sell me that you are training so hard. From what I can see on Strava his biggest week recently is 113km, with many under 100km. Not many guys are breaking 2:30 for the first time running mileage that low.
So Jake/RTJ is currently at 193km for this week with a marathon this weekend with Jake noting that he doesn't really plan to taper for his A race in Valencia in 6 weeks. How we feeling about his sub 2:10 goals?
no chance.
the honeymoon period is over. the mad mileage was fun for a while but now its just a revolving cycle of massive mileage and mediocre races. the mileage has passed the thresh-hold of any return
other than a few seconds here or there, there is no improvement happening and i think he needs a decent coach or at least a bit more direction rather than just more jogging on the menu.
this thread is also going to the dogs - i live in england. WTF is Floberg? thankfully he hasnt found his way onto my youtube stream but to much chat of him and Bester on here, makes me wanna just post sh1t to wind people up
So Jake/RTJ is currently at 193km for this week with a marathon this weekend with Jake noting that he doesn't really plan to taper for his A race in Valencia in 6 weeks. How we feeling about his sub 2:10 goals?
this thread is also going to the dogs - i live in england. WTF is Floberg?
the thread is difficult to follow as it jumps between unrelated conversations. I wonder if its worth splitting the thread into a UK one and a USA one. I've never watched a Floberg video and never will. prefer it when Tim Grose and Andy and Sirpoc jump in with interesting comments. not watched SJD for a few years. not wached BITR or listened to their podcast for a couple. Its the UK focussed stuff that gets my attention. I guess the reverse is true for the US based people.
As a UK based idiot, I do prefer it when this thread discusses UK based influencers, rather than Floberg or SJD who I don't really know.
Having said that, I wouldn't support a split in the thread, because the collective pile-ons when a shoe tuner says or does something stupid is a sight to behold.
Wether or not Floberg is from the UK or US, I think we can all agree this last week since Chicago has been glorious to observe and has unionized us all.
So Jake/RTJ is currently at 193km for this week with a marathon this weekend with Jake noting that he doesn't really plan to taper for his A race in Valencia in 6 weeks. How we feeling about his sub 2:10 goals?
no chance.
the honeymoon period is over. the mad mileage was fun for a while but now its just a revolving cycle of massive mileage and mediocre races. the mileage has passed the thresh-hold of any return
other than a few seconds here or there, there is no improvement happening and i think he needs a decent coach or at least a bit more direction rather than just more jogging on the menu.
this thread is also going to the dogs - i live in england. WTF is Floberg? thankfully he hasnt found his way onto my youtube stream but to much chat of him and Bester on here, makes me wanna just post sh1t to wind people up
Mediocre races? He had one "bad" race where he went 65 when he was aiming for 62. He then did a 6x1k session later that day at 2:54.
A lot of his workouts are indicating 2:10-2:12 shape for sure. He just did 20x400 at 68 today off 30 seconds rest. Solid for a guy who's pretty much all endurance.
Jake has the dog in him and Valencia is fast as F***. I'd say he has a really good shot at 2:10. If he misses it, it won't be by much.
I'm convinced his haters on here are just people who can't do high volume.
I don't see any indication that he was in sub 2:30 shape. Considering he knew that he would not be able to put together a proper training block due to all the races and traveling, he might as well have marketed his series as an attempt to breaking 2 hours. Then he could have run at world record pace for a couple of KMs and then told an inspiring story about 40 KMs of pain.
the honeymoon period is over. the mad mileage was fun for a while but now its just a revolving cycle of massive mileage and mediocre races. the mileage has passed the thresh-hold of any return
other than a few seconds here or there, there is no improvement happening and i think he needs a decent coach or at least a bit more direction rather than just more jogging on the menu.
this thread is also going to the dogs - i live in england. WTF is Floberg? thankfully he hasnt found his way onto my youtube stream but to much chat of him and Bester on here, makes me wanna just post sh1t to wind people up
Mediocre races? He had one "bad" race where he went 65 when he was aiming for 62. He then did a 6x1k session later that day at 2:54.
A lot of his workouts are indicating 2:10-2:12 shape for sure. He just did 20x400 at 68 today off 30 seconds rest. Solid for a guy who's pretty much all endurance.
Jake has the dog in him and Valencia is fast as F***. I'd say he has a really good shot at 2:10. If he misses it, it won't be by much.
I'm convinced his haters on here are just people who can't do high volume.
How does it make us haters to question the methodology. The people who come on here to defend him are so agressive for no reason.
I love running but you couldn't pay me to run 40km/day.
So Jake/RTJ is currently at 193km for this week with a marathon this weekend with Jake noting that he doesn't really plan to taper for his A race in Valencia in 6 weeks. How we feeling about his sub 2:10 goals?
no chance.
the honeymoon period is over. the mad mileage was fun for a while but now its just a revolving cycle of massive mileage and mediocre races. the mileage has passed the thresh-hold of any return
other than a few seconds here or there, there is no improvement happening and i think he needs a decent coach or at least a bit more direction rather than just more jogging on the menu.
this thread is also going to the dogs - i live in england. WTF is Floberg? thankfully he hasnt found his way onto my youtube stream but to much chat of him and Bester on here, makes me wanna just post sh1t to wind people up
Haven’t his races been going pretty well recently other than one ‘mediocre’ half last weekend where he still got a 1:05 or something? Give him at least until Valencia before writing him off/giving him the Floberg treatment.
Do agree with you that this thread has become a bit Floberg heavy and the love in for Bester has gone a bit too far. He’s gone from zero to absolute adoration here in the last few months which is a bit sickening. Although to be fair to him he is absolutely smashing it at the minute. A sub 30 10k in extreme heat and annihilating SirPoc over 10 miles in a mini hurricane is not to be sneered at.
Mediocre races? He had one "bad" race where he went 65 when he was aiming for 62. He then did a 6x1k session later that day at 2:54.
A lot of his workouts are indicating 2:10-2:12 shape for sure. He just did 20x400 at 68 today off 30 seconds rest. Solid for a guy who's pretty much all endurance.
Jake has the dog in him and Valencia is fast as F***. I'd say he has a really good shot at 2:10. If he misses it, it won't be by much.
I'm convinced his haters on here are just people who can't do high volume.
How does it make us haters to question the methodology. The people who come on here to defend him are so agressive for no reason.
I love running but you couldn't pay me to run 40km/day.
They say the sun once tried to race Jake Barraclough — it lost its place. By mile ten, the stars gave up, And he was live on YouTube, yup.
He runs through rain, through heat, through fog, Past cows, past cars, past every dog. His Garmin cries, “Enough! Enough!” But not our man — Jake Barraclough.
He films each stride, he grins, he sweats, Uploads before the day forgets. Subscribers cheer, the miles accrue — He runs for fun (and content, too).
They say he’s still out there today, Outrunning dawn, outpacing grey. And if you hear a distant huff— That’s probably Jake Barraclough.
Now oaclover talks online and tough, But can’t keep pace with Barraclough. He types his takes, Jake runs the miles— One witters nonsense, the other smiles.
Mo Abdin has finally posted his Chicago video and my goodness does he pull out all the excuses and reasons for not running sub 2:30 (despite his PB being 2:38:27?). From 'I had nine trips already booked, an ultra, two marathons, and a few other travels booked', to Achilles, calf and hamstring injuries. At least he didn't blame his GPS, but as he said 'I'd never lapped my watch in a race before, so I wasn't about to start doing that then.' True heroism.
Despite all the travel, races and injuries it was apparently his best ever block - 'the race is not a reflection of how well the training went. It's an isolated incident of 2.5 - 3 hours on a random Sunday'.
I used to be indifferent to him but had a mild interest since he is more muscular/heavier than most Youtubers shooting for sub 2:30. However, from what I've seen from him he is becoming highly unlikable. He is treating running like a way to vacation and travel the world on the company dime. Fair enough, I would love to do the same. But don't try and sell me that you are training so hard. From what I can see on Strava his biggest week recently is 113km, with many under 100km. Not many guys are breaking 2:30 for the first time running mileage that low.
I’m the same — I used to be indifferent.
But he’s been insufferable in this block: constantly doubling and tripling down on how 'easy' his multiple sub-three warm-up marathons were — 'run in easy shoes', 'conversational pace', 'only took a few gels'.It feels like a desperate bid for admiration from the Battersea dumb clubs, I imagine.
The recap was just a torrent of excuses. Oddly, it seemed like someone was interviewing him off-camera. He’s clearly trying to push the narrative that he’s some kind of machine, grinding out 12Ks in unimaginable pain.
Next time, plan a proper marathon block — one that doesn’t involve nine sponsored trips courtesy of Runna and ASICS.
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Mo Abdin has finally posted his Chicago video and my goodness does he pull out all the excuses and reasons for not running sub 2:30 (despite his PB being 2:38:27?). From 'I had nine trips already booked, an ultra, two marathons, and a few other travels booked', to Achilles, calf and hamstring injuries. At least he didn't blame his GPS, but as he said 'I'd never lapped my watch in a race before, so I wasn't about to start doing that then.' True heroism.
Despite all the travel, races and injuries it was apparently his best ever block - 'the race is not a reflection of how well the training went. It's an isolated incident of 2.5 - 3 hours on a random Sunday'.
I used to be indifferent to him but had a mild interest since he is more muscular/heavier than most Youtubers shooting for sub 2:30. However, from what I've seen from him he is becoming highly unlikable. He is treating running like a way to vacation and travel the world on the company dime. Fair enough, I would love to do the same. But don't try and sell me that you are training so hard. From what I can see on Strava his biggest week recently is 113km, with many under 100km. Not many guys are breaking 2:30 for the first time running mileage that low.
I’m the same — I used to be indifferent.
But he’s been insufferable in this block: constantly doubling and tripling down on how 'easy' his multiple sub-three warm-up marathons were — 'run in easy shoes', 'conversational pace', 'only took a few gels'.It feels like a desperate bid for admiration from the Battersea dumb clubs, I imagine.
The recap was just a torrent of excuses. Oddly, it seemed like someone was interviewing him off-camera. He’s clearly trying to push the narrative that he’s some kind of machine, grinding out 12Ks in unimaginable pain.
Next time, plan a proper marathon block — one that doesn’t involve nine sponsored trips courtesy of Runna and ASICS.
He's trying to hard to get away from the woke running channel thing of celebrating that weird fat bloke who is terrible at running but represents the 'normal people'
Mo Abdin has finally posted his Chicago video and my goodness does he pull out all the excuses and reasons for not running sub 2:30 (despite his PB being 2:38:27?). From 'I had nine trips already booked, an ultra, two marathons, and a few other travels booked', to Achilles, calf and hamstring injuries. At least he didn't blame his GPS, but as he said 'I'd never lapped my watch in a race before, so I wasn't about to start doing that then.' True heroism.
Despite all the travel, races and injuries it was apparently his best ever block - 'the race is not a reflection of how well the training went. It's an isolated incident of 2.5 - 3 hours on a random Sunday'.
I used to be indifferent to him but had a mild interest since he is more muscular/heavier than most Youtubers shooting for sub 2:30. However, from what I've seen from him he is becoming highly unlikable. He is treating running like a way to vacation and travel the world on the company dime. Fair enough, I would love to do the same. But don't try and sell me that you are training so hard. From what I can see on Strava his biggest week recently is 113km, with many under 100km. Not many guys are breaking 2:30 for the first time running mileage that low.
In one of his previous videos he said his job to create stories, not necessary to run great times (although it helps). No doubt he really had pain and wanted to quit but I felt like he decided to walk and film himself so he could then tell some comeback story at least. ("almost DNF'ed until I saw a text from my best friend to tell me to show the world who Mo Abdin is")
I don't want to keep piling on Floberg but one thing I'm curious about is his coach , Jeff Cunningham. By some account and what I heard from his podcast, he's a quite a knowledgable coach who has been coaching at various level from cross country team to elite guy like Haftu Knight. So why does his training plan for Floberg seems questionable and didn't really help Floberg? Is it a matter of Floberg not listening to his coach and like to do more flashy stuff like 100-mile week or 800m reps in race week? ( Early on his No Time series, his coach thinks he should increased max mileage to 90 mpw but Floberg wants 100) If so, a coaching change would probably not help him.
Floberg, if you read this, get rid of your "coaching" biz and listen to your coach!
Cunningham can write a training plan that is acceptable and gas you up with his Texas accent, but by all accounts he coaches way, way too many people. He might not have even picked up on the little things that Floberg was doing like adding 10-15mpw in volume, constantly exceeding prescribed splits, and "misreading" workouts to make them double threshold sessions. He's also not there in person to keep Floberg from puking up BPN Mango gels every other session. When you get close to what your potential is and the easy newbie gains stop, those little things matter and both of them were probably trying to be a little too aggressive this training cycle. Cunningham wanted killer workouts and moderate mileage, Floberg wanted to exceed those killer workouts and run high mileage, and the end result was being slightly overcooked and underperforming on race day.
Caitlyn/Caitlin Miller does the same thing with her plans that are provided by Jeff and she constantly gets hurt. If you think Floberg is an idiot, check out her stuff. Oh and she needs to eat more.