Sally Vix wrote:
Not defending the scumball. Defending an election.
If you haven't noticed impeachment won't put HRC in the WH. You continue to be just a mouth breather.
Sally Vix wrote:
Not defending the scumball. Defending an election.
If you haven't noticed impeachment won't put HRC in the WH. You continue to be just a mouth breather.
Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Not defending the scumball. Defending an election.
If you haven't noticed impeachment won't put HRC in the WH. You continue to be just a mouth breather.
sally do you think any presidential conduct would justify impeachment and removal?
Or is any impeachment and removal procedure trying to overturn an election and therefore not appropriate?
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
Could Warren or Pete be the obama roll?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.htmlI don't think Warren has fresh energy to bring, but no question she should maintain solid support. Pete has been flying under the radar mostly, picking his speaking points wisely and not ruffling any feathers. I think he has potential to surprise by being more outspoken and fired up.
the problem with pete is his lack of any material african american support. He has no clue how to help that...just isn't the guy. So he's fatally flawed. I really like the guy but he would be a weak Dem candidate for that reason.
PLUS he won't energize the base.
At least biden has the AA vote.
Sally Vix wrote:
Not defending the scumball. Defending an election.
You're not defending the 2016 election because nothing about this impeachment inquiry has anything to do with the 2016 election.
You're defending his efforts to interfere in the 2020 election.
agip wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
If you haven't noticed impeachment won't put HRC in the WH. You continue to be just a mouth breather.
sally do you think any presidential conduct would justify impeachment and removal?
Or is any impeachment and removal procedure trying to overturn an election and therefore not appropriate?
Of course, agip. Nixon was rightfully impeached and resigned prior to conviction and removal. But, with Trump, the enormously despised Trump, the Dems/Libs have been trying to overturn the 2016 election for 3 years. Everyone on the Left DESPISES Trump with a passion, and that is saying it mildly. We had Mueller for 2-plus years looking into collusion/conspiracy. All that time and no conspiracy was found. So, since we have to get rid of Trump, the goal posts were moved and now we focused on Obstruction of Justice. That ended up going nowhere, but since Trump MUST be removed, we left the Mueller investigation on the back burners and have moved on to this Ukrainian crap. It is never-ending. I have mixed feelings on the phone call but it doesn't matter. Trump must be removed.
agip wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
If you haven't noticed impeachment won't put HRC in the WH. You continue to be just a mouth breather.
sally do you think any presidential conduct would justify impeachment and removal?
Or is any impeachment and removal procedure trying to overturn an election and therefore not appropriate?
Sally wont answer your questions directly, so allow me. Sally doesn't think, period. Besides, Sally already agreed his quid pro quo phone call was an impeachable offense.
Sally’s defending the election. Putin should be able to elect anyone he wants.
Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Not defending the scumball. Defending an election.
If you haven't noticed impeachment won't put HRC in the WH. You continue to be just a mouth breather.
A "mouth breather?" Is that all you have? A mouth breather?
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
sally do you think any presidential conduct would justify impeachment and removal?
Or is any impeachment and removal procedure trying to overturn an election and therefore not appropriate?
Sally wont answer your questions directly, so allow me. Sally doesn't think, period. Besides, Sally already agreed his quid pro quo phone call was an impeachable offense.
You have to give Sally time to ANSWER his question.
jesseriley wrote:
Sally’s defending the election. Putin should be able to elect anyone he wants.
Do you LIbs/Dems REALLY think that Putin influenced the election? And if you do, please tell me how.
Sally Vix wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Pondering #1
Honestly, I think he maybe did. I am puzzled by the fact there is not more hoopla about it. If he really did what you are alleging he should be removed from office. Why is the matter so a nothingburger now?
^Sally agreeing agent orange is criminal
Sally Vix wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
If you haven't noticed impeachment won't put HRC in the WH. You continue to be just a mouth breather.
A "mouth breather?" Is that all you have? A mouth breather?
Repeating it isn't going to make you sound smarter.
Sally Vix wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
Sally’s defending the election. Putin should be able to elect anyone he wants.
Do you LIbs/Dems REALLY think that Putin influenced the election? And if you do, please tell me how.
You already know the answer.
Average people want to believe they aren't retarded and susceptible to blatantly obvious fake news. But reality is often disappointing, isn't it? Many Americans are idiots easily swayed by fake news and appeals to emotion. And the idiots should know that they're in good company because a lot of smart, educated people who should know better fell into the exact same trap. It's not necessarily all their fault. Human emotion is powerful, and the money and political power behind the manipulative forces that seek to control us and buy our votes and influence is truly megalithic.
Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Honestly, I think he maybe did. I am puzzled by the fact there is not more hoopla about it. If he really did what you are alleging he should be removed from office. Why is the matter so a nothingburger now?
^Sally agreeing agent orange is criminal
I try to be honest. Yet, not one Dem/Lib here has said what Biden did was possibly criminal. No, you don't do that kind of stuff. You can trash Trump til the cows come home, but talk bad of your own ilk - that baby a'int happening.
Sally Vix wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
Sally’s defending the election. Putin should be able to elect anyone he wants.
Do you LIbs/Dems REALLY think that Putin influenced the election? And if you do, please tell me how.
A good start for pea brain Sally
https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-has-won-mueller-report-details-the-ways-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-election-11555666201Sally Vix wrote:
I try to be honest. Yet, not one Dem/Lib here has said what Biden did was possibly criminal. No, you don't do that kind of stuff. You can trash Trump til the cows come home, but talk bad of your own ilk - that baby a'int happening.
You have yet to explain what you believe is criminal about Biden's actions. We can respond after you do that.
Fat hurts wrote:
Ciro wrote:
More than 50 coal plants have closed on his watch.
A failure.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/29/murray-energy-joins-list-of-coal-companies-to-declare-bankruptcy.htmlAnd by "failure", you mean a huge success, right?
We must close all coal plants by 2025. Same for natural gas (also known as methane).
A failure on Trumps behave.
Racket wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Do you LIbs/Dems REALLY think that Putin influenced the election? And if you do, please tell me how.
You already know the answer.
Average people want to believe they aren't retarded and susceptible to blatantly obvious fake news. But reality is often disappointing, isn't it? Many Americans are idiots easily swayed by fake news and appeals to emotion. And the idiots should know that they're in good company because a lot of smart, educated people who should know better fell into the exact same trap. It's not necessarily all their fault. Human emotion is powerful, and the money and political power behind the manipulative forces that seek to control us and buy our votes and influence is truly megalithic.
And you would agree that that happens on both sides of the aisle. Yes?
Racket wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Do you LIbs/Dems REALLY think that Putin influenced the election? And if you do, please tell me how.
You already know the answer.
Average people want to believe they aren't retarded and susceptible to blatantly obvious fake news. But reality is often disappointing, isn't it? Many Americans are idiots easily swayed by fake news and appeals to emotion. And the idiots should know that they're in good company because a lot of smart, educated people who should know better fell into the exact same trap. It's not necessarily all their fault. Human emotion is powerful, and the money and political power behind the manipulative forces that seek to control us and buy our votes and influence is truly megalithic.
I remember in 2016 posting on FB that trump voters seemed to believe the craziest nonsense about HRC...I naively thought they'd use fact checkers and common sense to get to the truth. But they never did. I sort of plaintively cried out 'but if Republicans only knew the truth and stopped believing lies we could have a fair election.' But they never stopped believing the lies. They had no interest in truth.
I really hope Facebook follows twitter and bans all political advertising. I know there would be workarounds and fake accounts...but they wouldn't be able to buy their way into the election that way anyway.
One point that perhaps bears repetition, because so many people seem to lose sight of it: An "impeachable offense" is anything for which the House of Representatives impeaches someone. Impeachment is a fundamentally political and not legal process.
As an extreme example, if 50+% of the House simply disliked a president, the House could impeach him/her. (And if 67+% of the Senate also had personal animus against that president, s/he could be convicted and removed, for that personal dislike and no other reason.)
NO ONE--other than the House--determines what is "impeachable." SCOTUS has no say in the matter. Only the voters, indirectly, do--by voting the rascals out, if they felt an impeachment hadn't been warranted.