D3 Atlantic Region 2012 XC

Reagan Lives wrote:

BroncoBama! wrote:

Maybe RPI is being hated upon because they haven't shown that they deserve not to be. They lost to UR by 40 points at states. At regionals where the competition is more top-heavy that's even more points.

My point was that RPI may not have run their best at States. If you look at last year's results RPI easily had their best race at regionals. Also while regionals can be considered more "top-heavy" there are a lot more people that will displace UR's 4 & 5 runner that were not at States. Whereas RPI won't be affected by this as much since they have such a tight pack.

UR "pack" at NYSCTC

1-5: 24 seconds

1-7: 34 seconds

RPI "pack" at NYSCTC

1-5: 26 seconds

1-7: 37 seconds

The so-called packs look about the same for both teams, only difference is that UR is much faster. Three UR guys finished before top RPI runner at States, and five were in for Rochester before RPI had 3.

So, to summarize, your logic is illogical.

RPI has exhibited decent pack running this season, their problem is they haven't had a single guy break 26 so far. This is serious weakness, especially in a season that has included races at Lehigh, Saratoga, and Clarkson.

Based on the past few weeks including NYSCTC, there should be a very competitive race between Rochester and St Lawrence (and possibly Cortland, although I'd probably give them the slight edge) but there is just nothing to suggest that RPI belongs in the same category.

Super B wrote:

No way that this course is similar to Oneonta's. The airfeild is much faster. 24:50ish is the fastest you will see and that is unlikely.

These are the results of the GVH Invite from a few years back:

It was cold (about 30-35 degrees) that day, and the ground was soft. I'm not in Rochester right now (is the ground sloppy?), but sub-25:00 on that course is not out of the question for a few top guys.

There is almost no elevation change on this GVP course. The turns don't slow you down at all. It's very fast, but if the ground is soft it may run a bit slow since you're going over the same ground so many times. The last loop on the last race of the day might be a mess.

I still don't agree. These results are post collegiate with some really good runners. I'm also not sure if the course is similar. This is almost ten years ago.

The GVP course is almost identical to the USATF team meet years ago, except this year they do not run down along the creek.

This course is deceptively tough. While much of it is on the flats, you have a lot of turns and the rolling hills are run 3 times by the men. I would be surprised to see more than 3 athletes under 25, but I expect the rest of the times to look similar to Oneonta.

It is a little soft, but not muddy right now. There is a chance of spot showers which can change things in a hurry.

Whether you're shown to be mostly right or not, Norman, mad props to you for making actual predictions and supplying some of your reasoning. (People like me generally just carp at others' predictions.) Your analysis will make following the meet a little more enjoyable.

How's everyone's hotel tonight? And how will that affect tomorrow's race?

I hear NYU had their house's flown to Rochester so they could have a better nights sleep and mom to tuck them in.

table wrote:

I hear NYU had their house's flown to Rochester so they could have a better nights sleep and mom to tuck them in.

Don't leave us in suspense--had WHAT from their house flown to Rochester?

And which house?

#1 Individual: Brimstein. Will not be touched.

swifty wrote:

#1 Individual: Brimstein. Will not be touched.

I'M GONNA RUN OUT OF THE CROWD AND TOUCH HIM!!!

BUT MOSTLY I'D JUST LIKE TO LOOK AT HIM!!!!!

Twitter updates #atlanticregional and #d3xc

https://twitter.com/CoachMK21/status/267305944726245377/photo/1

Nice race by NYU. And it looks like the Buff State guy finally decided to race.

Looking at the splits at Leone, Ithaca moved up big during the race. 19th at 2k, 13th at 4k, 9th at 6k, 7th at finish. Interesting strategy.

And where's the guy who said RPI would take down UofR?

Was anyone there who was also present for the race in 2005? How did the course compare for old timer trash talking purposes?

I want to tell the youngins that they're soft. But I'd like to back it up with some facts from faceless letsrun posters.

So if all 5 teams make it to NCAAs, 7 individuals make it, right?

So it'd be:

Ngabo (Buff State)

Hess (Fredonia)

Swenig (Rowan)

Bickell (Ithaca)

Gallagher (TCNJ)

Leahy (TCNJ)

Hitchcock (Ithaca)

Right?

(Also, wow some individuals really bombed. Payne from Utica back in 49th? Zikry DNF? Also I didn't even know who Swenig was prior to today)

Link to results (for those of us without Twitter access)?

watch out wrote:

http://www.leonetiming.com/2012/XC/D3Regional/

Thanks!

Well, after just a quick scan, I can say I'm very impressed with the NYU men's outing: very tough through four, and #5/#6 continue to close in on the other guys. The Violets could be a legitimate podium threat.

[And I have to take a second to commend their #2 today, Bonilla. This guy wasn't even on their Regional squad when he started at NYU, and has just been working his way up for four years. Great job!]

The Violet women still had a big 4-5 gap today (almost exactly a minute). If they can close that next week, they should place well; if not...at Nationals, a *lot* of women finish during that minute. OTOH the Violets--as seems to be standard for them--had no seniors among their women running today.

Getting away from my NYC focus for a minute: The SLU women are a truly outstanding team (with only one senior in *their* front four); and D'Addario (Wm. Smith) was farther back than I'd have expected. For the men, UR once again--without any real stars--ran a tough race and punched (I trust) their ticket to Nationals.

[Gee, maybe you *can* make the NCAA meet without tempoing half of your "competition" schedule.]