Great. Thanks for taking the bait. I believe Jeremy will be the first person to say it is not perfect.
However, I think I see the issue. Your little analysis proved insightful. I now know what you think Pose is and what you expect to see. Clearly, you and Jeremy don’t agree on the definition.
GO ahead... wrote:
I believe Jeremy will be the first person to say it is not perfect.
So your using his video as 'proof' of anything POSE is completely meaningless? Great way to support your case. Why should anyone bother further responding to you?
Clearly, you and Jeremy don’t agree on the definition.
Obviously you've bothered to read the previous pile pages where a definition on what POSE says was agreed to (whereupon that definition was shown to be faulty and hence the answer to the original question was determined: POSE is crazy).
Thanks for your insightful contributions.
Yes, I have read the previous definitions (whereupon that definition was shown to be faulty and hence the answer to the original question was determined: POSE is crazy).
However, Jeremy is the one running and claiming to use POSE to the best of his ability. All that your words proove(since you don't have anything else to show) is that you and Jeremy don't agree. You said exactly as much in your previous post.
You also have shown that you do not believe Jeremy is running POSE. Jeremy claims he is and shows visual proof what is looks like when he does, though you claim this is false because he not running POSE. I believe both of you. I believe Jeremy is running POSE as he claims and shows and I believe you, Asterix, that you don't believe he is running using the POSE method.
It is like Jeremy claiming he is using a hammer to drive a nail while giving a visual demonstration and you, Asterix, claiming he is not using a hammer. I would believe you both, that Jeremy is using a hammer and the fact you do not believe him.
I officially think POSE must be crazy since it obviously drives people nuts arguing about it.
Jhuffman wrote:
Bob,
Please show some examples of the articles that JUST AREN'T TRUE?
Asterix provided enough examples. Also, I'm not saying that POSE doesn't work or anything. Just that the physical descriptions aren't quite correct. "gravity pulling you forward" is one such example. If that is just to help people visualize what they are trying to do, then it should say that. To claim that it is physical fact is incorrect.
txRUNNERgirl,
On a serious note, I am enjoying my running and training more than every before. Yes, Pose Method is quite difficult for many to wrap there heads around. Thankfully I get it and I am reaping the benefits in my training. I encourage you to continue to explore this method.
Jeremy
It seems all fine and dandy, but I don't want to have to pay a lot of money to learn how to run, which looks like what Romanov wants us to do.
Jhuffman wrote:
Jim,
Why do you have to be so negative?
Because I have a very low tolerance for willful ignornace. You actively choose to ignore what time-tested basic science has to say on this subject, yet you have no problem with using science in other areas. At the least that's logically inconsistent, but more likely, just plain stupid. Unfortunately for the more sentient creatures inhabiting the planet, your line of reasoning (and I use that word in the most lose sense possible) is not a rarity these days. Here's a snippit from an article by Charles Pierce which appeared in Esquire last year, entitled "Greetings From Idiot America":
The rise of Idiot America is essentially a war on expertise. It's not so much antimodernism or the distrust of intellectual elites that Richard Hofstadter deftly teased out of the national DNA forty years ago. Both of those things are part of it. However, the rise of Idiot America today represents-for profit mainly, but also, and more cynically, for political advantage in the pursuit of power-the breakdown of a consensus that the pursuit of knowledge is a good. It also represents the ascendancy of the notion that the people whom we should trust the least are the people who know best what they are talking about. In the new media age, everybody is a historian, or a preacher, or a scientist, or a sage. And if everyone is an expert, then nobody is, and the worst thing you can be in a society where everybody is an expert is, well, an actual expert.
In the place of expertise, we have elevated the Gut, and the Gut is a moron, as anyone who has ever tossed a golf club, punched a wall, or kicked an errant lawn mower knows. We occasionally dress up the Gut by calling it "common sense." The president's former advisor on medical ethics regularly refers to the "yuck factor." The Gut is common. It is democratic. It is the roiling repository of dark and ancient fears. Worst of all, the Gut is faith-based.
txrunnergirl,
The information on Pose tech website is FREE. The book and dvd are around 80 dollars together. A lifetime of KNOWLEDGE for the price of a pair of shoes. I am not following your logic? Knowing what I know of the Pose Mehtod technique I would spend quite a bit more than the $1000 dollars I have spent in order to learn and teach the technique. However, each of us has to make the decisions for ourselves. Running is a learning experience, I wish you the best with your journey.
Jeremy
Jim,
Thanks! for the positivity. Always a joy to hear from ya!
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
I officially think POSE must be crazy since it obviously drives people nuts arguing about it.
I officially think txRUNNERgirl is the best Letsrun.com troll of all time for starting this thread.
My pleasure. Now put down that flint axe, leave the Pliestocene ignornace behind, and join the rest of us in the post-Newtonian present. We'll be happy to have you.
that's twice a typo: ignornace=ignorance
Your words, Jim, remind me much of the Doctors vs. Naturopath (types) arguments. Similar to those that only believe in FDA approved remedies and discount any anecdotal or empirical evidence that natural remedies, herbs, vitamins, minerals help to heal the body.
“POSE is not approved by the FDA, therefore it is hogwash and should be outlawed.”
GO ahead... wrote:
Your words, Jim, remind me much of the Doctors vs. Naturopath (types) arguments.
Only if you subscribe to the plugging of ears when anything intellectual is discussed methodology.
Read the freakin' post again. Read the freakin' thread again. Note how numerous posters use basic scientific principals to point out the numerous flaws in the POSE explanation. Note how in response all that is provided are some variations on "I guess we'll have to disagree"; "what I said isn't really what POSE is"; "what it says on the POSE site isn't really what POSE is"; "scientific facts and principals have no relevance to POSE".
Your line of 'logic' here is virtually a mirror image of the reasoning of Creationists (or as they have tried to re-invent themselves, Intelligent Designers). Anything of proven science that contradicts their little vision of the world gets pooh-poohed since "that's not what it says in the bible" (or "that's not what Dr R says").
Nowhere do the IDers (or here, the POSERs) provide scientifically valid explanations of their beliefs or the facts and figures to back them up. Simply reverting to "I guess we'll have to disagree" is tantamount to admitting that one is a close-minded ignorant fool.
If you have a rational and understandable explanation for how POSE is more effective, efficient or faster than what folks like Geb, Bekele, Tergat or El G use, then by all means, bring it forth.
Your call, is your mind open or closed?
Asterix,
What is this technique that each of these individuals are following to develop their efficiency? I assume you have spoken to each of them and they do all of the same training technique? Let me guess they all use the FAST technique which you taught them right?
Asterix,
What is this technique that each of these individuals are following to develop their efficiency? I assume you have spoken to each of them and they do all of the same training technique? Let me guess they all use the FAST technique which you taught them right?
Asterix,
What is this technique that each of these individuals are following to develop their efficiency? I assume you have spoken to each of them and they do all of the same training technique? Let me guess they all use the FAST technique which you taught them right?
Jhuffman wrote:
Let me guess they all use the FAST technique which you taught them right?
Yes they do. They certainly don't use POSE, despite the ridiculous assertions seen here previously.
GO ahead... wrote:
Your words, Jim, remind me much of the Doctors vs. Naturopath (types) arguments. Similar to those that only believe in FDA approved remedies and discount any anecdotal or empirical evidence that natural remedies, herbs, vitamins, minerals help to heal the body.
“POSE is not approved by the FDA, therefore it is hogwash and should be outlawed.”
Great straw man logic. Gee, I guess that means you win the argument. All hail the POSE method!