Adults usually can read. You show you can't. Yes, I said most passed him when he was forced to a walk (and a dawdle) after being with the leaders for the first 10k then the logical inference from your comment disputing that is that no one passed him at that point. Yet he ended up in 34th position. That absurdity, that no one passed him after he was reduced to a walk, was your claim, not mine.
Armstronglivs has 11 posts on page 37 of this thread. Extrapolating this to entire thread would be over 400 posts by Armstronglivs about his favorite runner Jakob Kingebrigtsen. What a super fan! :)
Not at all, it is by taking in times when you talk about 1500, medals when you talk about 5000, and all distances when you talk about an athlete.
I comment on what I consider relevant, not what suits you.
Yes. To uphold your crusade you need to divide Jakob Ingebrigtsens achievements into as many seperate entities as possible. Jakob the 1500 m runner is someone else than the 3000m and 5000m runner. And when it comes to the 1500m, only medals are relevant, not times. And only medals from the last 4* years. And by the way only gold medals. And only from WC and the olympics.
And thus he is just one of the pack. No medals, lots of losses. Pretty average runner.
You said this yourself on this very thread back on page 3.
"my point is predictions have been made about him in the past and they haven't come true. That is the problem with predictions; they aren't facts."
Yet here you are making predictions for the season. Or are these predictions okay and accurate as the only opinion you can have on Ingebrigtsen is a negative one?
I'm confused. Did you think he was going to get any of the world records he previously attempted (with a 100% success rate, I should add)? I'm assuming not. Why are you so sure of the 5k record?
I think it's outside his ball-park. His best distances appear to be 2k-2mile. He's good over a tactically run 5k but that doesn't put him near being able to beat 12:35. To be the fastest over 5k appears to require a 5k-10k specialist. He isn't that.
One of the best. The best has yet to be decided. (And it was Muhammad Ali, sunshine.)
Current best is Jakob nothing to decide here. When do you want to decide? After Tokyo? Ok, I'll remind you. (Was born like Cassius Clay btw, right? 😀)
Ali changed his name because he considered "Cassius Clay" to be his "slave" name. It is profoundly disrespectful to call him that when he changed his name.
For Ingebrigtsen to be the best of this era over the 1500 going forward he has to win a global championship, which he hasn't done since 2021.
Adults usually can read. You show you can't. Yes, I said most passed him when he was forced to a walk (and a dawdle) after being with the leaders for the first 10k then the logical inference from your comment disputing that is that no one passed him at that point. Yet he ended up in 34th position. That absurdity, that no one passed him after he was reduced to a walk, was your claim, not mine.
Armstronglivs has 11 posts on page 37 of this thread. Extrapolating this to entire thread would be over 400 posts by Armstronglivs about his favorite runner Jakob Kingebrigtsen. What a super fan! :)
You obviously haven't read what I posted if you think that. The posts that you refer to were also largely in response to posters disagreeing with me. Perhaps you should tell them to stop so I have nothing to reply to? Like your post.
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I comment on what I consider relevant, not what suits you.
Yes. To uphold your crusade you need to divide Jakob Ingebrigtsens achievements into as many seperate entities as possible. Jakob the 1500 m runner is someone else than the 3000m and 5000m runner. And when it comes to the 1500m, only medals are relevant, not times. And only medals from the last 4* years. And by the way only gold medals. And only from WC and the olympics.
And thus he is just one of the pack. No medals, lots of losses. Pretty average runner.
That's not what I am saying. You deliberately choose to distort it because you don't like disagreement. I am saying Ingebrigtsen is not as good as many of his fans maintain - while still being a very good runner - and has lost his claim to being the clear best in his era over the 1500/mile because of his stream of major losses. He's one of a growing bunch of contenders.
I comment on what I consider relevant, not what suits you.
Well i for one think youre awesome,and at least youre not a bore.
Apparently others agree with you about the latter, or my posts would be ignored. But they aren't. Other posters get too annoyed. They don't like being disagreed with.
You said this yourself on this very thread back on page 3.
"my point is predictions have been made about him in the past and they haven't come true. That is the problem with predictions; they aren't facts."
Yet here you are making predictions for the season. Or are these predictions okay and accurate as the only opinion you can have on Ingebrigtsen is a negative one?
They are my predictions, which means they aren't facts - as you so correctly understand. I don't claim they are. But my estimate of him is that he is unlikely to win another global 1500 title this year or break the 5k wr. I could be wrong but that is my view of his capabilities.
You said this yourself on this very thread back on page 3.
"my point is predictions have been made about him in the past and they haven't come true. That is the problem with predictions; they aren't facts."
Yet here you are making predictions for the season. Or are these predictions okay and accurate as the only opinion you can have on Ingebrigtsen is a negative one?
They are my predictions, which means they aren't facts - as you so correctly understand. I don't claim they are. But my estimate of him is that he is unlikely to win another global 1500 title this year or break the 5k wr. I could be wrong but that is my view of his capabilities.
This isn't a wild prediction. I'll estimate that in Tokyo he has maybe 35 % chance to win 1500 m (I'll give Hocker 35 %, Nuguse 15 % and others 15 %). And if he can't do it in Tokyo there is a good chance that he won't be in sufficient 1500m form anymore in the -27, -28 and -29 champs. Injuries are part of the sport and it is difficult to consistently build into peak form. Also it isn't a given that he will stay injury free this summer season - same goes for Hocker, Nuguse etc.
I think that in total he has better than 50 % chance to win another 1500 m global gold in his career.
About the 5k WR I'll give him 50% chance to break it this season and he probably has some good attempts next year if he manages to stay healthy. Overall I think that he has better than 75 % chance of breaking the 5k WR during his career.
Overall I'll estimate that your prediction of him neither winning 1500 m gold nor breaking 5k WR will be true maybe with 10-15 % percent certainty.
I missed the word "unlikely to win 1500m or break 5k WR". So apparently you think that his chances to do those are under 20 %. I wouldn't be a market maker in a betting site giving others 90 %+ odds to win 1500 m final.
What kind of winning probabilities you would give for Hocker, Kerr, Nuguse, Jakob and others for the Tokyo 1500m WC?
Current best is Jakob nothing to decide here. When do you want to decide? After Tokyo? Ok, I'll remind you. (Was born like Cassius Clay btw, right? 😀)
Ali changed his name because he considered "Cassius Clay" to be his "slave" name. It is profoundly disrespectful to call him that when he changed his name.
It is profoundly disrespectful to call athletes dopers when you have zero evidence against them. You don't know what respect is.
Current best is Jakob nothing to decide here. When do you want to decide? After Tokyo? Ok, I'll remind you. (Was born like Cassius Clay btw, right? 😀)
Ali changed his name because he considered "Cassius Clay" to be his "slave" name. It is profoundly disrespectful to call him that when he changed his name.
For Ingebrigtsen to be the best of this era over the 1500 going forward he has to win a global championship, which he hasn't done since 2021.
Let's see.
1960 Rome Olympics Boxing gold medalist: Cassius Clay - in any statistics.
If you start in 2019 or in 2022, Ingebrigtsen without any doubt is the no. 1 1500m runner. For the last 3 seasons you can argue for Kerr or Hocker (but for me it's definitely Ingebrigtsen).
Currently, looking at the most recent results, Ingebrigtsen also clearly is no. 1.
Yes. To uphold your crusade you need to divide Jakob Ingebrigtsens achievements into as many seperate entities as possible. Jakob the 1500 m runner is someone else than the 3000m and 5000m runner. And when it comes to the 1500m, only medals are relevant, not times. And only medals from the last 4* years. And by the way only gold medals. And only from WC and the olympics.
And thus he is just one of the pack. No medals, lots of losses. Pretty average runner.
That's not what I am saying. You deliberately choose to distort it because you don't like disagreement. I am saying Ingebrigtsen is not as good as many of his fans maintain - while still being a very good runner - and has lost his claim to being the clear best in his era over the 1500/mile because of his stream of major losses. He's one of a growing bunch of contenders.
Is he really? Lets have a look:
2024 OC: Cole Hocker - Josh Kerr - Yared Nuguse Fastest time: Jakob Ingebrigtsen Diamond league: Jakob Ingebrigtsen
2023 WC: Josh Kerr - Jakob Ingebrigtsen - Narve Gilje Nordås Fastest time: Jakob Ingebrigtsen Diamond league: Jakob Ingebrigtsen
2022 WC: Jake Wightman - Jakob Ingebrigtsen - Mohamed Katir Fastest time: Jakob Ingebrigtsen Diamond league: Jakob Ingebrigtsen
There is one name that repeats itself here... Jake Wightman got one gold, nothing else. Josh Kerr got lots of medals, but lack consistent wins/dominance, lacks an olympic gold, lacks the PR. Cole Hocker only have one medal, lack consistent wins, lacks the pr. There is one runner who dominates the circuit, have the better PR and have the medals.
They are my predictions, which means they aren't facts - as you so correctly understand. I don't claim they are. But my estimate of him is that he is unlikely to win another global 1500 title this year or break the 5k wr. I could be wrong but that is my view of his capabilities.
This isn't a wild prediction. I'll estimate that in Tokyo he has maybe 35 % chance to win 1500 m (I'll give Hocker 35 %, Nuguse 15 % and others 15 %). And if he can't do it in Tokyo there is a good chance that he won't be in sufficient 1500m form anymore in the -27, -28 and -29 champs. Injuries are part of the sport and it is difficult to consistently build into peak form. Also it isn't a given that he will stay injury free this summer season - same goes for Hocker, Nuguse etc.
I think that in total he has better than 50 % chance to win another 1500 m global gold in his career.
About the 5k WR I'll give him 50% chance to break it this season and he probably has some good attempts next year if he manages to stay healthy. Overall I think that he has better than 75 % chance of breaking the 5k WR during his career.
Overall I'll estimate that your prediction of him neither winning 1500 m gold nor breaking 5k WR will be true maybe with 10-15 % percent certainty.
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