I just came in from a run and told my wife, "babe, do you know the Emmett Till story?" She said, "no?".. I said, exactly. That's why black history needs to be taught in America. We are two highly educated Americans and we've never heard this story. 14-year old black kid flirts with a white girl and is absolutely destroyed... murderers admit killing the kid and they are acquitted. It's unfreaking believable, as we have a 14-year old daughter who is hispanic.
They need to tell MORE of these stories, not less.
What is the purpose of telling these stories? To learn from the past and appreciate the present, yes, I am for it. To divide and spread hatred among people, no thanks. If the impression after taking African American studies is black ancestors were once bullied, so black descendants should get some payback, then that class is a total failure.
very interesting. I'll look at 2 non-white islands. Why does Japan do so much better than Haiti?
Wow....another ignorant comment for a white boy that doesn't know any history of anything black
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U.S. Invasion and Occupation of Haiti, 1915-34 Under interventionist policies of the early 20th century, President Woodrow Wilson sent the United States Marines into Haiti to restore order and maintain political and economic stability in the Caribbean after the assassination of the Haitian President in July of 1915. This occupation continued until 1934.
The United States Government had been interested in Haiti for decades prior to its occupation. As a potential naval base for the United States and other imperialist powers, Haiti's stability was of great interest to U.S. diplomatic and defense officials who feared instability might result in foreign rule of Haiti. In 1868, President Andrew Johnson suggested the annexation of the island of Hispaniola, made up of Haiti and the Dominican Republic, to secure a U.S. defensive and economic stake in the West Indies. From 1889 to 1891, Secretary of State James Blaine unsuccessfully sought a lease of Mole-Saint Nicolas, a city on Haiti's northern coast strategically located for a naval base. In 1910 President William Howard Taft granted Haiti a large loan in hopes that Haiti could pay off its international debt, thus lessening foreign influence. The attempt proved futile due to the enormity of the debt and the internal instability of the country.
France, as the former colonizer of Haiti, retained strong economic and diplomatic ties with the government there. In the 1824 Franco-Haitian agreement, France agreed to recognize Haitian independence if Haiti paid a large indemnity. This kept Haiti in a constant state of debt and put France in a position of power over Haiti's trade and finances.
Although unhappy about Haiti's close connection to France, policymakers in the United States were more concerned about increased German activity and influence in the country. In the beginning of the 20th century German presence in Haiti increased as German merchants began establishing trading branches in Haiti, quickly dominating commercial business in the area. German men married Haitian women to get around laws denying foreigners land ownership and established roots in the Haitian community. The United States considered Germany its chief rival in the Caribbean, and feared German control of Haiti would give them a powerful advantage in the area.
Increased instability in Haiti in the years before 1915 led to heightened action by the United States to deter foreign influence. Between 1911 and 1915, seven presidents were assassinated or overthrown in Haiti, increasing U.S. policymakers' fear of foreign intervention. In 1914, the Wilson Administration sent marines into Haiti who stole $500,000 from the Haitian National Bank in December of 1914 for safe-keeping in New York, thus giving the U.S. control of the bank. In 1915, Haitian president Jean Vilbrun Guillaume Sam was assassinated and the situation in Haiti quickly became unstable. In response, President Wilson sent the U.S. Marines to Haiti, claiming the invasion was an attempt to prevent anarchy. In reality the Wilson administration was protecting U.S. assets in the area and preventing a possible German invasion.
The invasion ended with the Haitian-American Treaty of 1915. The articles of this agreement created a Haitian gendarmerie, essentially a military force made up of Americans and Haitians and controlled by the U.S. marines. The United States gained complete control over Haitian finances, and the right to intervene in Haiti whenever the U.S. Government deemed necessary. The U.S. Government also forced the election of a new pro-American President, Philippe Sudr� Dartiguenave, by the Haitian legislature in August of 1915. The selection of a President that did not represent the choice of the Haitian populace increased unrest in Haiti.
Following the successful manipulation of the 1915 elections, the Wilson Administration attempted to strong-arm the Haitian legislature into adopting a new constitution in 1917. This constitution allowed foreign land ownership, which had been outlawed since the Haitian Revolution as a way to prevent foreign control of the country. The legislature was extremely reluctant to change the long-standing law and rejected the new constitution. Law-makers began drafting a new anti-American constitution, but the United States forced President Dartiguenave dissolve the legislature, which did not meet again until 1929.
very interesting. I'll look at 2 non-white islands. Why does Japan do so much better than Haiti?
Haiti is one of the poorest nations in the world, and rich countries have their fingerprints all over the nation's stunted development. The United States worked to isolate a newly independent Haiti during the early 19th century and violently occupied the island nation for 19 years in the early 20th century. While the U.S. officially left Haiti in 1934, it continued to control Haiti's public finances until 1947, siphoning away around 40% of Haiti's national income to service debt repayments to the U.S. and France.
Surrounded by French gunboats, a newly independent Haiti was forced to pay its slaveholders reparations. You read that correctly. It was the former slaves of Haiti, not the French slaveholders, who were forced to pay reparations. Haitians compensated their oppressors and their oppressors' descendants for the privilege of being free. It took Haiti more than a century to pay the reparation debts off.
They aren't facts. They are the stuff that racists spout - like you. There is no scientific basis to the claim that some races are more or less intelligent than others.
very interesting. I'll look at 2 non-white islands. Why does Japan do so much better than Haiti?
Haiti is one of the poorest nations in the world, and rich countries have their fingerprints all over the nation's stunted development. The United States worked to isolate a newly independent Haiti during the early 19th century and violently occupied the island nation for 19 years in the early 20th century. While the U.S. officially left Haiti in 1934, it continued to control Haiti's public finances until 1947, siphoning away around 40% of Haiti's national income to service debt repayments to the U.S. and France.
Surrounded by French gunboats, a newly independent Haiti was forced to pay its slaveholders reparations. You read that correctly. It was the former slaves of Haiti, not the French slaveholders, who were forced to pay reparations. Haitians compensated their oppressors and their oppressors' descendants for the privilege of being free. It took Haiti more than a century to pay the reparation debts off.
Why are we pretending it would be anything other than a corrupt hellhole even if no one ever bothered them?
Well maybe if you and many of your kind didn't discrimate based on color and ethnicity and treat people like 2nd class citizens.
So you are saying people aren't discriminated against in America based on race today and haven't been forever in this land? Is that what your small mind is trying to say.
America is a free country. If you like to identify as a 2nd class citizen, nobody can change your mind. Is this good for you? It is debatable. Short term benefit is you can always cry victim and get some sympathy pay. Long term harm is you will eventually lose self respect, confidence and winning mentality.
You like comparisons of blacks against Jews. It seems the biggest difference is Jews have strong beliefs, strive for success, and puts education and hard work first and foremost. Jews are famous for being capitalists, scientists, and engineers. They were discriminated, persecuted, and surrounded by enemies, but they could always come back. In comparison, blacks are famous for being artists, athletes, and activists. You need more than physical strength, entertainment skills, and empty talks to overcome adversities.
I stopped reading when you said America is a free country
Lol, I knew it was only a matter of time before someone in right wing sphere would suggest that Jews benefited from the Holocaust.
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Gutfeld suggested in comments in a debate with co-host Jessica Tarlov over Florida’s new Black history curriculum which teaches slaves learned skills that Jews also learned useful skills.
While Tarlov argued the curriculum made her uncomfortable and said, “Would someone say about the Holocaust, for instance, that there were some benefits for Jews?”
Gutfeld rose to the occasion and replied, “Did you ever read Man’s Search for Meaning? Vik Frankl talks about how you had to survive in a concentration camp by having skills. You had to be useful. Utility, utility kept you alive!”
They aren't facts. They are the stuff that racists spout - like you. There is no scientific basis to the claim that some races are more or less intelligent than others.
Even the APA admits there's a significant gap in average IQ. And, of course, The Bell Curve is the seminal tome of IQ research.
Haiti is one of the poorest nations in the world, and rich countries have their fingerprints all over the nation's stunted development. The United States worked to isolate a newly independent Haiti during the early 19th century and violently occupied the island nation for 19 years in the early 20th century. While the U.S. officially left Haiti in 1934, it continued to control Haiti's public finances until 1947, siphoning away around 40% of Haiti's national income to service debt repayments to the U.S. and France.
Surrounded by French gunboats, a newly independent Haiti was forced to pay its slaveholders reparations. You read that correctly. It was the former slaves of Haiti, not the French slaveholders, who were forced to pay reparations. Haitians compensated their oppressors and their oppressors' descendants for the privilege of being free. It took Haiti more than a century to pay the reparation debts off.
Why are we pretending it would be anything other than a corrupt hellhole even if no one ever bothered them?
Right on cue....the dumb ass little white boy still lying and talking s*** about anything and everything black.
White folks couldn't stand the fact that black slaves beat the s*** out of their slave masters and became their own nation. So instead of leaving them alone...what did your ancestors do. They forced them to pay them for no longer owning them at gunpoint. Then more white countries got in on the act, German and the United States.
I guess according to you they could have not bothered Haiti, but just keeping it as colony like all the other Caribbean Islands and only become independent in the 1960's and 1970's.
White MFs always want to be in control of everything.
What we do know is if Haiti would have been treated like any other nation, it certainly wouldn't be the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. And if Haiti was such as bad place why did the France, Germany and the United States give a damn, to control it and steal from it? Again...if all white countries are such a utopia...why didn't you keep your white ass in your all white country?
Lol, I knew it was only a matter of time before someone in right wing sphere would suggest that Jews benefited from the Holocaust.
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Gutfeld suggested in comments in a debate with co-host Jessica Tarlov over Florida’s new Black history curriculum which teaches slaves learned skills that Jews also learned useful skills.
While Tarlov argued the curriculum made her uncomfortable and said, “Would someone say about the Holocaust, for instance, that there were some benefits for Jews?”
Gutfeld rose to the occasion and replied, “Did you ever read Man’s Search for Meaning? Vik Frankl talks about how you had to survive in a concentration camp by having skills. You had to be useful. Utility, utility kept you alive!”
Everyone know they were guilty of repeatedly lying about everything....specifically the election and were forced to pay Dominon almost a $billion for defamation.
What dumb gullible idiots believe any BS from them.
Haiti is one of the poorest nations in the world, and rich countries have their fingerprints all over the nation's stunted development. The United States worked to isolate a newly independent Haiti during the early 19th century and violently occupied the island nation for 19 years in the early 20th century. While the U.S. officially left Haiti in 1934, it continued to control Haiti's public finances until 1947, siphoning away around 40% of Haiti's national income to service debt repayments to the U.S. and France.
Surrounded by French gunboats, a newly independent Haiti was forced to pay its slaveholders reparations. You read that correctly. It was the former slaves of Haiti, not the French slaveholders, who were forced to pay reparations. Haitians compensated their oppressors and their oppressors' descendants for the privilege of being free. It took Haiti more than a century to pay the reparation debts off.
Why are we pretending it would be anything other than a corrupt hellhole even if no one ever bothered them?
The Tragic Hope of Revolutionary Haiti
Haiti won its independence from France in 1804, and it was almost immediately made a pariah state by world powers. It was an independent, black-led nation — created by slaves who had cast aside their chains and fought their oppressors for their freedom — during a time when white-led nations were enforcing brutal, racist systems of exploitation around the world.
Haiti, then known as Saint-Domingue, had been the crown jewel of the French empire. It was the most lucrative colony in the whole world. French planters forced African slaves to produce sugar, coffee, and other cash crops for the global market. The system seemed to work well. That is, until the French and American revolutions helped to inspire, in 1791, what became the world's largest and most successful slave revolt. Against all odds, the slaves won. Former slaves sent slaveholders scurrying to France and America — and Haitians successfully fought back subsequent efforts to re-enslave them. Haiti was the first nation to permanently ban slavery.
But as a nation of freed black slaves, Haiti was a threat to the existing world order. President Thomas Jefferson worked to isolate Haiti diplomatically and strangle it economically, fearing that the success of Haiti would inspire slave revolts back home. With the invention and spread of the cotton gin, slavery was becoming much more lucrative at the very same time a free Haiti was coming into existence, and slaveholders in the United States and other countries clung to and expanded the inhumane means of production. Haitian success was perceived as a threat to this system for decades, and the United States didn't officially recognize Haiti until 1862, as slavery began being abolished.
Haiti is one of the poorest nations in the world, and rich countries have their fingerprints all over the nation's stunted development. The United States worked to isolate a newly independent Haiti during the early 19th century and violently occupied the island nation for 19 years in the early 20th century. While the U.S. officially left Haiti in 1934, it continued to control Haiti's public finances until 1947, siphoning away around 40% of Haiti's national income to service debt repayments to the U.S. and France.
Surrounded by French gunboats, a newly independent Haiti was forced to pay its slaveholders reparations. You read that correctly. It was the former slaves of Haiti, not the French slaveholders, who were forced to pay reparations. Haitians compensated their oppressors and their oppressors' descendants for the privilege of being free. It took Haiti more than a century to pay the reparation debts off.
Why are we pretending it would be anything other than a corrupt hellhole even if no one ever bothered them?
So right, it doesn’t matter how badly the people of Haiti were screwed before and after their inception, they were destined for ruined just because.
Just like it wouldn’t have mattered if Europe had never gotten gun powder from China or if New World diseases had been deadlier than Old World diseases at the time of the Columbian Exchange. Change all sorts of great factors of history and we would still end up exactly where we are today.
I can see why the “why” doesn’t matter to you: the result of humanity was predetermined in your eyes.
I just came in from a run and told my wife, "babe, do you know the Emmett Till story?" She said, "no?".. I said, exactly. That's why black history needs to be taught in America. We are two highly educated Americans and we've never heard this story. 14-year old black kid flirts with a white girl and is absolutely destroyed... murderers admit killing the kid and they are acquitted. It's unfreaking believable, as we have a 14-year old daughter who is hispanic.
They need to tell MORE of these stories, not less.
What is the purpose of telling these stories? To learn from the past and appreciate the present, yes, I am for it. To divide and spread hatred among people, no thanks. If the impression after taking African American studies is black ancestors were once bullied, so black descendants should get some payback, then that class is a total failure.
Only you would say some ridiculous stuff that black history is to show blacks were bullied and blacks should get some payback. WTF?
Dude you are so damn fragile that you can't even learn about any history unless it always shows white folks in a positive light. Mankind and human history is F'd up. It isn't meant to be a bedtime story...it's meant to be real. You, DeSantis and others are straight up liars and trying to change history.
You also think black history is only about being oppressed. Black history is the history of humanity. It started in Ethiopia.
Why are we pretending it would be anything other than a corrupt hellhole even if no one ever bothered them?
So right, it doesn’t matter how badly the people of Haiti were screwed before and after their inception, they were destined for ruined just because.
Just like it wouldn’t have mattered if Europe had never gotten gun powder from China or if New World diseases had been deadlier than Old World diseases at the time of the Columbian Exchange. Change all sorts of great factors of history and we would still end up exactly where we are today.
I can see why the “why” doesn’t matter to you: the result of humanity was predetermined in your eyes.
The filth and corruption in Haiti today is caused by Haitians. Not evil white people.
Having a rough past isn't an excuse for being useless any more than having a rough childhood is for being a useless adult.
What is the purpose of telling these stories? To learn from the past and appreciate the present, yes, I am for it. To divide and spread hatred among people, no thanks. If the impression after taking African American studies is black ancestors were once bullied, so black descendants should get some payback, then that class is a total failure.
Only you would say some ridiculous stuff that black history is to show blacks were bullied and blacks should get some payback. WTF?
Dude you are so damn fragile that you can't even learn about any history unless it always shows white folks in a positive light. Mankind and human history is F'd up. It isn't meant to be a bedtime story...it's meant to be real. You, DeSantis and others are straight up liars and trying to change history.
You also think black history is only about being oppressed. Black history is the history of humanity. It started in Ethiopia.
Civilization didn't start in Ethiopia...
Sumer pre-dates anything in Ethiopia by thousands of years.
Obviously you don't know the history of Haiti and how they were ostracized and forced by France to pay a debt that took them 122 years after they revolted against their French enslavers. Or the fact that the United States invaded the country and took over its banks for 19 years and fleeced the country.
So Hati is the millennial equivalent of an island? Takes out a loan they can't pay back and then complain about being poor?
During Haiti's critical period of development, France intervened even more directly than the U.S. to thwart its success. In July 1825, the French King, Charles X, sent an armed flotilla of warships to Haiti with the message that the young nation would have to pay France 150 million francs to secure its independence, or suffer the consequences. That sum was 10 times the amount the United States had paid France in the Louisiana Purchase, which had doubled the size of the U.S.
Almost literally at gunpoint, Haiti caved to France's demands in order to secure its independence. The amount was too much for the young nation to pay outright, and so it had to take out loans with hefty interest rates from a French bank. Over the next century, Haiti paid French slaveholders and their descendants the equivalent of between $20 and $30 billion in today's dollars. It took Haiti 122 years to pay it off. Professor Marlene Daut writes it "severely damaged the newly independent country's ability to prosper."
Only you would say some ridiculous stuff that black history is to show blacks were bullied and blacks should get some payback. WTF?
Dude you are so damn fragile that you can't even learn about any history unless it always shows white folks in a positive light. Mankind and human history is F'd up. It isn't meant to be a bedtime story...it's meant to be real. You, DeSantis and others are straight up liars and trying to change history.
You also think black history is only about being oppressed. Black history is the history of humanity. It started in Ethiopia.
Civilization didn't start in Ethiopia...
Sumer pre-dates anything in Ethiopia by thousands of years.
Human Beings started in Ethiopia.......your DNA is from Ethiopia.
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