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2 years ago 06/23/2023 12:48pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
Newname wrote:
Right.
You don't mention it for days and lead families and the public to believe the passengers are still alive and running out of air. That's the responsible way to do it
Exactly, you mentioned there might have been a a catastrophic explosion but we will continue to conduct a search and rescue mission in the hopes that they are still alive.

Except we -- and the families -- were not told there "might have been" (i.e., was) a catastrophic explosion until days later

2 years ago 06/23/2023 12:49pm EDT

re: Really dude?

Really dude? wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Exactly, you mentioned there might have been a a catastrophic explosion but we will continue to conduct a search and rescue mission in the hopes that they are still alive.
You and Newname are up for the dopiest post of the day award pretty early in the day.

Facts are dopey? How so?

2 years ago 06/23/2023 12:58pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Exactly, you mentioned there might have been a a catastrophic explosion but we will continue to conduct a search and rescue mission in the hopes that they are still alive.
Except we -- and the families -- were not told there "might have been" (i.e., was) a catastrophic explosion until days later

Your head's gonna explode when you finally figure out the military doesn't tell the public quite a lot of things.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 12:59pm EDT

re: Bekele Bread

Just so much of this I don't understand.

I don't get how you could be careless to actually do this - surely these people valued their lives but I guess this weird "excitement" of doing this (which I personally don't think is that exciting anyway) overrode those values?

Stockton Rush sadly comes off as a delusional narcissist. His interview referring to himself as an innovator based on "General McArthur's" advice on breaking rules and that being justification and motivation for him to do the same, is simply the new cancer of the "innovation delusionist" (see Holmes: Elizabeth).

I keep hearing about how was "committed to safety" - yeah his interpretation of safety which appears like it was counter to modern material sciences and basic engineering etc etc. If my interpretation of safety is that I can jump off a high rise building holding a sheet and will float gently to the ground like in a Looney Tunes cartoon, then I am going to have problems too

The saddest story by far is the kid. Some (many) billionaires I am sure have weird psychology with respect to their mortality and a certain god complex centered around "always making no matter what" (which I guess is how you do the things to become so wealthy), but to drag a kid into it who by all accounts was terrified and only felt obliged to in order to not let his father down in some stupid cultural sentiment - man, that's just f-ing depressing.

Honestly, glad it's over.

This post was edited 46 seconds after it was posted.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:08pm EDT

re: lololololol

lololololol wrote:
Newname wrote:
Except we -- and the families -- were not told there "might have been" (i.e., was) a catastrophic explosion until days later
Your head's gonna explode when you finally figure out the military doesn't tell the public quite a lot of things.

All for our own good, right?

Stockholm Syndrome everywhere

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:12pm EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Just so much of this I don't understand.
I don't get how you could be careless to actually do this - surely these people valued their lives but I guess this weird "excitement" of doing this (which I personally don't think is that exciting anyway) overrode those values?
Stockton Rush sadly comes off as a delusional narcissist. His interview referring to himself as an innovator based on "General McArthur's" advice on breaking rules and that being justification and motivation for him to do the same, is simply the new cancer of the "innovation delusionist" (see Holmes: Elizabeth).
I keep hearing about how was "committed to safety" - yeah his interpretation of safety which appears like it was counter to modern material sciences and basic engineering etc etc. If my interpretation of safety is that I can jump off a high rise building holding a sheet and will float gently to the ground like in a Looney Tunes cartoon, then I am going to have problems too
The saddest story by far is the kid. Some (many) billionaires I am sure have weird psychology with respect to their mortality and a certain god complex centered around "always making no matter what" (which I guess is how you do the things to become so wealthy), but to drag a kid into it who by all accounts was terrified and only felt obliged to in order to not let his father down in some stupid cultural sentiment - man, that's just f-ing depressing.
Honestly, glad it's over.

The Titan made 13 successful trips to the Titanic prior to the trip that failed.

No one has ever jumped of a high rise with a sheet and lived let alone done it 13 times in a row.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:14pm EDT

re: lololololol

lololololol wrote:
Newname wrote:
Except we -- and the families -- were not told there "might have been" (i.e., was) a catastrophic explosion until days later
Your head's gonna explode when you finally figure out the military doesn't tell the public quite a lot of things.

Yes.

Hiding the explosion was a matter of national security I guess.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:17pm EDT

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Just so much of this I don't understand.
I don't get how you could be careless to actually do this - surely these people valued their lives but I guess this weird "excitement" of doing this (which I personally don't think is that exciting anyway) overrode those values?
Stockton Rush sadly comes off as a delusional narcissist. His interview referring to himself as an innovator based on "General McArthur's" advice on breaking rules and that being justification and motivation for him to do the same, is simply the new cancer of the "innovation delusionist" (see Holmes: Elizabeth).
I keep hearing about how was "committed to safety" - yeah his interpretation of safety which appears like it was counter to modern material sciences and basic engineering etc etc. If my interpretation of safety is that I can jump off a high rise building holding a sheet and will float gently to the ground like in a Looney Tunes cartoon, then I am going to have problems too
The saddest story by far is the kid. Some (many) billionaires I am sure have weird psychology with respect to their mortality and a certain god complex centered around "always making no matter what" (which I guess is how you do the things to become so wealthy), but to drag a kid into it who by all accounts was terrified and only felt obliged to in order to not let his father down in some stupid cultural sentiment - man, that's just f-ing depressing.
Honestly, glad it's over.
The Titan made 13 successful trips to the Titanic prior to the trip that failed.
No one has ever jumped of a high rise with a sheet and lived let alone done it 13 times in a row.

Incorrect. The Titan made the trip to the Titanic three (3) times, not 13.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:25pm EDT

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Just so much of this I don't understand.
I don't get how you could be careless to actually do this - surely these people valued their lives but I guess this weird "excitement" of doing this (which I personally don't think is that exciting anyway) overrode those values?
Stockton Rush sadly comes off as a delusional narcissist. His interview referring to himself as an innovator based on "General McArthur's" advice on breaking rules and that being justification and motivation for him to do the same, is simply the new cancer of the "innovation delusionist" (see Holmes: Elizabeth).
I keep hearing about how was "committed to safety" - yeah his interpretation of safety which appears like it was counter to modern material sciences and basic engineering etc etc. If my interpretation of safety is that I can jump off a high rise building holding a sheet and will float gently to the ground like in a Looney Tunes cartoon, then I am going to have problems too
The saddest story by far is the kid. Some (many) billionaires I am sure have weird psychology with respect to their mortality and a certain god complex centered around "always making no matter what" (which I guess is how you do the things to become so wealthy), but to drag a kid into it who by all accounts was terrified and only felt obliged to in order to not let his father down in some stupid cultural sentiment - man, that's just f-ing depressing.
Honestly, glad it's over.
The Titan made 13 successful trips to the Titanic prior to the trip that failed.
No one has ever jumped of a high rise with a sheet and lived let alone done it 13 times in a row.

OceanGate 12/13 successful

Apollo 10/11

SpaceShuttle 133/135

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:26pm EDT

re: Tiag

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:26pm EDT

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Just so much of this I don't understand.
I don't get how you could be careless to actually do this - surely these people valued their lives but I guess this weird "excitement" of doing this (which I personally don't think is that exciting anyway) overrode those values?
Stockton Rush sadly comes off as a delusional narcissist. His interview referring to himself as an innovator based on "General McArthur's" advice on breaking rules and that being justification and motivation for him to do the same, is simply the new cancer of the "innovation delusionist" (see Holmes: Elizabeth).
I keep hearing about how was "committed to safety" - yeah his interpretation of safety which appears like it was counter to modern material sciences and basic engineering etc etc. If my interpretation of safety is that I can jump off a high rise building holding a sheet and will float gently to the ground like in a Looney Tunes cartoon, then I am going to have problems too
The saddest story by far is the kid. Some (many) billionaires I am sure have weird psychology with respect to their mortality and a certain god complex centered around "always making no matter what" (which I guess is how you do the things to become so wealthy), but to drag a kid into it who by all accounts was terrified and only felt obliged to in order to not let his father down in some stupid cultural sentiment - man, that's just f-ing depressing.
Honestly, glad it's over.
The Titan made 13 successful trips to the Titanic prior to the trip that failed.
No one has ever jumped of a high rise with a sheet and lived let alone done it 13 times in a row.

And this is the exact logic that got these people killed. Firstly your number of successful trips is wrong - mostly because (guess what) the Titan suffered near catastrophic failure before on multiple attempts and had to abort. This is not the logic to "keep trucking" - it's the logic to stop what you are doing and go back to the drawing board. Which is precisely what one employee said and then was asked to leave the premises within 10 minutes.

Well that employee is alive and well. The guy who asked him to leave is now assimilated with 350 quintillion tons of ocean water.

How about I put it to you this way - based off your logic if I had personally sponsored you to take a trip in the Titan to go see the Titanic, would you have taken it?

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:30pm EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Just so much of this I don't understand.
I don't get how you could be careless to actually do this - surely these people valued their lives but I guess this weird "excitement" of doing this (which I personally don't think is that exciting anyway) overrode those values?
Stockton Rush sadly comes off as a delusional narcissist. His interview referring to himself as an innovator based on "General McArthur's" advice on breaking rules and that being justification and motivation for him to do the same, is simply the new cancer of the "innovation delusionist" (see Holmes: Elizabeth).
I keep hearing about how was "committed to safety" - yeah his interpretation of safety which appears like it was counter to modern material sciences and basic engineering etc etc. If my interpretation of safety is that I can jump off a high rise building holding a sheet and will float gently to the ground like in a Looney Tunes cartoon, then I am going to have problems too
The saddest story by far is the kid. Some (many) billionaires I am sure have weird psychology with respect to their mortality and a certain god complex centered around "always making no matter what" (which I guess is how you do the things to become so wealthy), but to drag a kid into it who by all accounts was terrified and only felt obliged to in order to not let his father down in some stupid cultural sentiment - man, that's just f-ing depressing.
Honestly, glad it's over.

At no time should a submariner, civilian or military ever quote Army or Marine ground combat officers. Ground combat officers are trained think in terms of acceptable levels of death on battlefield.

Note: If Truman had not fired McArthur, McArthur's plan of action in Korean Conflict may have resulted in nuclear combat between Soviet Union.

Stockton Rush was the wrong man to be in charge of a tourist company.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:32pm EDT

re: Scooby Dooby

Scooby Dooby wrote:
There will always be a market for this stuff. Climbing Everest is fairly risky and expensive, but rich folks still line up to do it and pass numerous dead bodies on the way up mountain. Submersible "certification" will probably become a requirement moving forward.

Like Rupp certified?

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:35pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
lololololol wrote:
Your head's gonna explode when you finally figure out the military doesn't tell the public quite a lot of things.
All for our own good, right?
Stockholm Syndrome everywhere

Yes actually. Adults can barely handle their emotions when their favorite football team losing a game. They don’t need to panic about everything they have no control over.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:36pm EDT

re: Scooby Dooby

Scooby Dooby wrote:
Harley David wrote:
So where does OceanGate (sounds like a name custom-made for conspiracy incident) go from here? Do they shutter the business and liquidate their equipment? Do they name a new CEO, should they? Their website still has 2024 Titanic expeditions available. They have more submersibles to continue business as usual, right? Do the victims' families find a way to sue OceanGate out of existence?
There will always be a market for this stuff. Climbing Everest is fairly risky and expensive, but rich folks still line up to do it and pass numerous dead bodies on the way up mountain. Submersible "certification" will probably become a requirement moving forward.

Yes. And nobody will certify a carbon fiber sub.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:37pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
lololololol wrote:
Your head's gonna explode when you finally figure out the military doesn't tell the public quite a lot of things.
All for our own good, right?
Stockholm Syndrome everywhere

I'm not saying it's necessarily for our good, or necessarily bad for all of us. But you must be 12 years old to think "Why won't the military tell us everything?!" It could have potentially been a matter of national security. For all they knew, that sound they heard could have been someone testing a bomb. They had very good reason to believe it was the Titan, but had zero way of being certain until they saw it. What's hard to understand about that?

You should read Kafka if you want to get angry about bureaucracy in an educated manor.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:37pm EDT

re: Tiag

Tiag wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The Titan made 13 successful trips to the Titanic prior to the trip that failed.
No one has ever jumped of a high rise with a sheet and lived let alone done it 13 times in a row.
OceanGate 12/13 successful
Apollo 10/11
SpaceShuttle 133/135

This says the Titan has made a trip to the Titanic only 3 times. So 33% failure rate.

metro.co.uk

How many trips to the Titanic has the OceanGate Titan submersible made and how deep is the wreck?

Caroline Westbrook

The submersible imploded deep underwater, the US Coast Guard has said.

Link:metro.co.uk/2023/06/22/how-many-times-...

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:42pm EDT

re: lololololol

lololololol wrote:
Newname wrote:
All for our own good, right?
Stockholm Syndrome everywhere
I'm not saying it's necessarily for our good, or necessarily bad for all of us. But you must be 12 years old to think "Why won't the military tell us everything?!" It could have potentially been a matter of national security. For all they knew, that sound they heard could have been someone testing a bomb. They had very good reason to believe it was the Titan, but had zero way of being certain until they saw it. What's hard to understand about that?
You should read Kafka if you want to get angry about bureaucracy in an educated manor.

manner* not manor

Oof, typo of the century for me.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:42pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
Tiag wrote:
OceanGate 12/13 successful
Apollo 10/11
SpaceShuttle 133/135
This says the Titan has made a trip to the Titanic only 3 times. So 33% failure rate.
Link:metro.co.uk/2023/06/22/how-many-times-...

Yes. That is why I corrected it in the post that followed.

2 years ago 06/23/2023 1:44pm EDT

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Jonas 'The Skipper' Grunby wrote:
Too bad we can't resurrect this POS so that he could die the slower and more torturous death he fully deserves. Anything for a buck though, right?
Link:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12225...
I'd say people like you who enjoy these deaths so much deserve "the slower and more torturous death".

Rush Stockton is as good as a murderer -- negligent in about 1000 different ways. And for what? $$$ and Ego. Figures you'd pop up to "defend" him. The teenage kid is the one who deserves sympathy...

With any luck, that implosion got Stockton -- even in his obliterated, fish food state-- a shortcut to Hell.

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