cpr wrote:
Very nice article,good to see gems of journalism in this paid-for business.
The dubious charity angle could have been accentuated though.
But guess what, Mr Jamie Fuller of Skins seems to weasel out.
The press release came out prior to Jaimie's water cooler blog.
If there's one person I know who will want to get to the bottom of this it's Jaimie Fuller of SKINS. If the allegations prove true, I trust that Jaimie will do the right thing. His track record speaks for itself.
Nice to see the article in the Guardian. Now if the Sun, Independent, and Times would step up.
Since Skins was founded in Australia and Jaimie Fuller is Australian, I found 2 articles in Australian business magazines about Fuller. I emailed the authors and the magazine editors suggesting a follow up story as to how Fuller and Skins handle this scandal, and I linked Fuller's essay with all the comments.
Here are the two articles from 2011 about Fuller.
http://www.mybusiness.com.au/case-studies/183-we-didnt-need-a-business-plan-skins-ceo-jaimie-fuller
It might be more helpful if someone who uses twitter can tweet the magazines (MyBusiness and Dynamic Business) and the writers (Justin Grey and Lorna Brett) suggesting a follow up article on the scandal.
Or... wrote:
If there's one person I know who will want to get to the bottom of this it's Jaimie Fuller of SKINS. If the allegations prove true, I trust that Jaimie will do the right thing. His track record speaks for itself.
You mean the track record of saying that SKINS will definitely be working with RY in the future, rather than neutrally saying, "We take these cheating allegations seriously and we'll wait for the independent investigation to determine if we'll work with RY in the future"?
wakkoxc wrote:
i nominate wrote:I nominate Markus as our independent witness. He started tracking this scam before Ulist, Asher, and Letsrun. He's been involved using his own name to question this.
Doubler, he's good at analyzing data for inconsistencies, and he gets off on that stuff.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I've contacted them already, but haven't heard back yet.
Or... wrote:If there's one person I know who will want to get to the bottom of this it's Jaimie Fuller of SKINS. If the allegations prove true, I trust that Jaimie will do the right thing. His track record speaks for itself.
I imagine SKINS would get more and better publicity from denouncing RY (providing evidence) and claiming advocacy for authenticity in sport than from any performance that RY could achieve or even fabricate.
fred wrote:
The Guardian:
"And yet, according to posts on Young’s blog documenting his progress, the first weeks of Young’s run were dominated by 70-mile and 80-mile days. Photos of Young looking relaxed and confident accompanied his updates, which raised suspicions in a mailing list for professional runners, Ultra List.
“[His] tracker and GPS data are cans of worms,†Robert Lopez wrote to Ultra List subscribers. “There is a day that Rob’s RV got stuck in the desert. The location is known. [...] Whether he legged out the 40-plus road miles or somehow orienteered his way through the brush without navigational aids, [his] time is incredible. And I mean that in the literal sense.â€
Delmott went to meet Young, only to find his RV driving slowly down the road with no runner in sight
Young made running across America look easy. Too easy, many skeptics argued on LetsRun.com. Among the criticisms were detailed analyses of Young’s claims, including speeds that had never been achieved before.
“As he was claiming really big mileage, the doubts grew,†said Wouter Hamelinck, a Belgian ultrarunner. “Either he was exaggerating or he was throwing in world-class performances. For me, the most damning part is that his run totally changed after he knew that he was in the spotlight.â€"
Well well well.
Funny part about being in email strings... people can quote you without asking. Alright then.
They also have the sticky problem of needing to fire their Digital Marketing person who was in on the scam.
Scapegoat wrote:
I imagine SKINS would get more and better publicity from denouncing RY (providing evidence) and claiming advocacy for authenticity in sport than from any performance that RY could achieve or even fabricate.
Sure, he's the fall guy to protect the CEO. Always blame the intern. Or the dead guy.
We brits are turned on wrote:
They also have the sticky problem of needing to fire their Digital Marketing person who was in on the scam.
Getting the axe wrote:
We brits are turned on wrote:They also have the sticky problem of needing to fire their Digital Marketing person who was in on the scam.
Sure, he's the fall guy to protect the CEO. Always blame the intern. Or the dead guy.
Well, Michael Speicher was the Skins employee in the RV giving Young a lift. Michael Speicher along with Dustin and Robert are the ones refusing to release the data, even though that was one of his primary tasks according to the 25 May post on the Skins website about the crew.
Regarding Fuller, the question remains, what did he know and when did he know it.
Did Fuller know that Michael and Dustin were going to give Robert rides in the van? And then lie to try to cover it all up?
Fuller would have to be incredibly naive as a CEO to think that everything about this record attempt was honest and true. I can't imagine him being that naive as CEO of a company like this. Right now, it looks like he's just being shrewd and trying to save the corporate face and minimize the scandal.
Really good article in the Guardian. The only thing is that they seem to accept his "started on a bet in 2014" story at face value.
2004 called wrote:
Really good article in the Guardian. The only thing is that they seem to accept his "started on a bet in 2014" story at face value.
Yep, decent expose in the Guardian except they don't indicate that there are serious questions about RY's book about the 370 marathons, website claims, and the 373 mile record. Or that he has received numerous awards and recognitions for running feats that all now seem very dubious. Or that he was funding all of this through charity fund raising. Or that his popularity online is artificially supported by purchasing likes and followers on Facebook and Twitter.
So yeah, decent article, but much is still lacking.
guardian link wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/jun/22/robert-young-marathon-record-attempt-cheating-rumors
Wow, that's gotta hurt!
Team Geezer and the Ulist get all the credit from the Guardian!
Not a single mention of letsrun anywhere!
So sad, all the time you depressed basement recluse millennials spent on this thread and the Guardian can even throw you a bone!
Jehosephat wrote:
fred wrote:The Guardian:
"And yet, according to posts on Young’s blog documenting his progress, the first weeks of Young’s run were dominated by 70-mile and 80-mile days. Photos of Young looking relaxed and confident accompanied his updates, which raised suspicions in a mailing list for professional runners, Ultra List.
“[His] tracker and GPS data are cans of worms,†Robert Lopez wrote to Ultra List subscribers. “There is a day that Rob’s RV got stuck in the desert. The location is known. [...] Whether he legged out the 40-plus road miles or somehow orienteered his way through the brush without navigational aids, [his] time is incredible. And I mean that in the literal sense.â€
Delmott went to meet Young, only to find his RV driving slowly down the road with no runner in sight
Young made running across America look easy. Too easy, many skeptics argued on LetsRun.com. Among the criticisms were detailed analyses of Young’s claims, including speeds that had never been achieved before.
“As he was claiming really big mileage, the doubts grew,†said Wouter Hamelinck, a Belgian ultrarunner. “Either he was exaggerating or he was throwing in world-class performances. For me, the most damning part is that his run totally changed after he knew that he was in the spotlight.â€"
Well well well.
Funny part about being in email strings... people can quote you without asking. Alright then.
Welcome to the interwebz, dumb dumb - what did you think would happen?
Everyone needs to watch Barkley Marathons on Netflix. Laz is a crazy, unique dude.
Jog it in wrote:
wakkoxc wrote:Doubler, he's good at analyzing data for inconsistencies, and he gets off on that stuff.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I've contacted them already, but haven't heard back yet.
doubler, you forgot to log in before replying (to yourself most likely). lol
How many usernames you gonna use?
no bone for you wrote:
guardian link wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/jun/22/robert-young-marathon-record-attempt-cheating-rumorsWow, that's gotta hurt!
Team Geezer and the Ulist get all the credit from the Guardian!
Not a single mention of letsrun anywhere!
So sad, all the time you depressed basement recluse millennials spent on this thread and the Guardian can even throw you a bone!
Um. Read it again. Letsrun is mentioned.
As for me, "dumb dumb". Nice.
(my ulist post... really an email... that the author borrowed w/ attribution mentioned letsrun and that folks on letsrun were working the numbers. What I did not do in it was mention specific anonymous users like 113 and team1.xml by name. For one, those aren't names. But I should have. It would be cool to see press quote someone named 113.)
fred wrote:
The Guardian:
“[His] tracker and GPS data are cans of worms,†Robert Lopez wrote to Ultra List subscribers. “There is a day that Rob’s RV got stuck in the desert. The location is known. [...] Whether he legged out the 40-plus road miles or somehow orienteered his way through the brush without navigational aids, [his] time is incredible. And I mean that in the literal sense.â€
I wonder if that is the Marathon Maniac #59 Robert Lopez.
Right you haters here is my data.....
Given our libel laws, that's a pretty solid article by the Graun.
Whoops!! wrote:
Jog it in wrote:Thanks for the vote of confidence. I've contacted them already, but haven't heard back yet.
doubler, you forgot to log in before replying (to yourself most likely). lol
How many usernames you gonna use?
that wasn't me..rookie troll move..don't fall for it. I did respond on his post after seeing this however.