I like Jake (and in no small part because he seems a bit more level-headed about his results than most) but has there been a shoetuber in history who doesn’t self-admittedly struggle greatly with the heat?
Kamikaze pacing was an odd choice in that case. I get the entertainment factor but he does seem to race a lot better with a bit more of a slow burn so I’d be curious to hear the thinking there.
I feel like I also need to preface this with the fact I actually like RantoJapan/Jake and liked his earlier content, but I'm getting a bit over the whole "train harder, not smarter" shtick.
Failing to run your goal HM time due to heat/humidity and then immediately deciding to do a 7x1km session in the evening in still 90% humidity just seems stupid more than anything. Maybe, you shouldn't have tried to run a HM PB if the conditions were never there to do it? In the beginning, I found the story really intriguing, particularly because he can speak some Japanese and talk to local pro runners and stuff, but as he's gotten sponsored and his audience has grown, I feel like some of the stuff he repeats has gotten really stale/cringe.
I still feel like he as alot of improvement left in the marathon, but I just feel like he has allowed the brand of "Jake, the guy who runs heaps" get in the way of actual common sense training.
I feel like I also need to preface this with the fact I actually like RantoJapan/Jake and liked his earlier content, but I'm getting a bit over the whole "train harder, not smarter" shtick.
Failing to run your goal HM time due to heat/humidity and then immediately deciding to do a 7x1km session in the evening in still 90% humidity just seems stupid more than anything. Maybe, you shouldn't have tried to run a HM PB if the conditions were never there to do it? In the beginning, I found the story really intriguing, particularly because he can speak some Japanese and talk to local pro runners and stuff, but as he's gotten sponsored and his audience has grown, I feel like some of the stuff he repeats has gotten really stale/cringe.
I still feel like he as alot of improvement left in the marathon, but I just feel like he has allowed the brand of "Jake, the guy who runs heaps" get in the way of actual common sense training.
What’s your qualifications to decide this? You quicker than him or close?
His training obviously works for him. He admits himself he hasn’t got loads of natural talent compared to others. To be running the times he does is hugely impressive and it’s largely down to the thing he does have natural talent for - being able to cope with a huge training load.
Hes not your stereotypical marathoner so a ‘normal’ training plan maybe wouldn’t work for him?
Looks like light rain and 12 celsius in Abingdon this morning, not perfect conditions but much better than last year. Andy would have finished by now if all has gone to plan, hope it went well for him.
I feel like I also need to preface this with the fact I actually like RantoJapan/Jake and liked his earlier content, but I'm getting a bit over the whole "train harder, not smarter" shtick.
Failing to run your goal HM time due to heat/humidity and then immediately deciding to do a 7x1km session in the evening in still 90% humidity just seems stupid more than anything. Maybe, you shouldn't have tried to run a HM PB if the conditions were never there to do it? In the beginning, I found the story really intriguing, particularly because he can speak some Japanese and talk to local pro runners and stuff, but as he's gotten sponsored and his audience has grown, I feel like some of the stuff he repeats has gotten really stale/cringe.
I still feel like he as alot of improvement left in the marathon, but I just feel like he has allowed the brand of "Jake, the guy who runs heaps" get in the way of actual common sense training.
What’s your qualifications to decide this? You quicker than him or close?
His training obviously works for him. He admits himself he hasn’t got loads of natural talent compared to others. To be running the times he does is hugely impressive and it’s largely down to the thing he does have natural talent for - being able to cope with a huge training load.
Hes not your stereotypical marathoner so a ‘normal’ training plan maybe wouldn’t work for him?
It's less that he 'admits' to having less talent, and more that 'look how hard I work and how untalented I am' is part of the sales pitch.
And the guy is certainly allowed an opinion as to whether Jake's approach is ideal or if something different might lead to better results.
I also like Jake, but I don't think OAClover said anything unreasonable
What’s your qualifications to decide this? You quicker than him or close?
His training obviously works for him. He admits himself he hasn’t got loads of natural talent compared to others. To be running the times he does is hugely impressive and it’s largely down to the thing he does have natural talent for - being able to cope with a huge training load.
Hes not your stereotypical marathoner so a ‘normal’ training plan maybe wouldn’t work for him?
It's less that he 'admits' to having less talent, and more that 'look how hard I work and how untalented I am' is part of the sales pitch.
And the guy is certainly allowed an opinion as to whether Jake's approach is ideal or if something different might lead to better results.
I also like Jake, but I don't think OAClover said anything unreasonable
He had a bad race. It happens to everyone.
If he has multiple bad races and underwhelming results become a running theme then I get you can start questioning it but come on…. one bad race does not mean he needs to rip up what’s been working for him.
I feel like I also need to preface this with the fact I actually like RantoJapan/Jake and liked his earlier content, but I'm getting a bit over the whole "train harder, not smarter" shtick.
Failing to run your goal HM time due to heat/humidity and then immediately deciding to do a 7x1km session in the evening in still 90% humidity just seems stupid more than anything. Maybe, you shouldn't have tried to run a HM PB if the conditions were never there to do it? In the beginning, I found the story really intriguing, particularly because he can speak some Japanese and talk to local pro runners and stuff, but as he's gotten sponsored and his audience has grown, I feel like some of the stuff he repeats has gotten really stale/cringe.
I still feel like he as alot of improvement left in the marathon, but I just feel like he has allowed the brand of "Jake, the guy who runs heaps" get in the way of actual common sense training.
What’s your qualifications to decide this? You quicker than him or close?
His training obviously works for him. He admits himself he hasn’t got loads of natural talent compared to others. To be running the times he does is hugely impressive and it’s largely down to the thing he does have natural talent for - being able to cope with a huge training load.
Hes not your stereotypical marathoner so a ‘normal’ training plan maybe wouldn’t work for him?
He's never tried a normal marathon training plan so we have no point of comparison. Isn't asking for my qualifications irrelevant when we're all jusy hobby joggers talking on a message board? Are football fans not allowed to talk about their teams' performances because they're not professional athletes? I could point to actual professional athletes running better times than him with the same height/weight to show that you don't need to train like him it doesn't seem like it would be enough for a brainlet like you?
I hope this board doesn't become a bit of a circlejerk where certain youtubers aren't able to be criticised but we're happy to talk about trash about all the ones we don't like.
What’s your qualifications to decide this? You quicker than him or close?
His training obviously works for him. He admits himself he hasn’t got loads of natural talent compared to others. To be running the times he does is hugely impressive and it’s largely down to the thing he does have natural talent for - being able to cope with a huge training load.
Hes not your stereotypical marathoner so a ‘normal’ training plan maybe wouldn’t work for him?
He's never tried a normal marathon training plan so we have no point of comparison. Isn't asking for my qualifications irrelevant when we're all jusy hobby joggers talking on a message board? Are football fans not allowed to talk about their teams' performances because they're not professional athletes? I could point to actual professional athletes running better times than him with the same height/weight to show that you don't need to train like him it doesn't seem like it would be enough for a brainlet like you?
By the same token, it’s fair game for me to criticise and comment on your opinion if I think it’s knee jerk and borderline ludicrous to say his training is stupid based on one bad race.
Football fans are allowed to talk about their teams performance and other football fans are allowed to reply when they are talking utter tripe.
He's never tried a normal marathon training plan so we have no point of comparison. Isn't asking for my qualifications irrelevant when we're all jusy hobby joggers talking on a message board? Are football fans not allowed to talk about their teams' performances because they're not professional athletes? I could point to actual professional athletes running better times than him with the same height/weight to show that you don't need to train like him it doesn't seem like it would be enough for a brainlet like you?
By the same token, it’s fair game for me to criticise and comment on your opinion if I think it’s knee jerk and borderline ludicrous to say his training is stupid based on one bad race.
Football fans are allowed to talk about their teams performance and other football fans are allowed to reply when they are talking utter tripe.
Ok, if you ran a 65 minutes half marathon kamikaze style in the morning in humid conditions, and you completely blew up, do you think it's good training methodology to then go and do 7x1km in humid conditions in the evening?
As I said previously, I still think Jake will run faster than he has in the marathon, but I just think his brand is currently and will continue to go stale and he will eventually change his training to something more sustainable.
Just unsubscribed from the NSA strava club, cancelled my pre-order of the sirpoc book and signed up to Best Athletics. Gonna sell my house and buy a tent to pitch up in Battersea Park.
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