Beth Sullivan making headlines at UT

jose and the pu$$y cats wrote:

Those were JJ's girls. They will be BAS girls in a few years. This carnage is because JJ allowed the team to rot.

Haha. Where's the coaching genius?

JJ long gone and BAS apologists still passing the blame. How is the old coach going to be blamed next year?

The school is still as quiet as a grave on what was done to the students.

Those aren't the only arguments. Those are strawman arguments you've created.

If you want to read actual arguments held by those who do not share your view, start with my last post:

Your response to it failed to point out why anything I wrote was mistaken. Instead you made ad hominem attacks on me. Refresher:

Some signs you might be acting irrationally:

1) You become angry when discussing an issue

When someone is defending a position about some issue and that causes you to become angry, that is a sign you have biases preventing you from thinking rationally about the issue.

2) You have a strong opinion about something before considering all of the facts

When you have an opinion about some issue, and that opinion doesn't change as more evidence is presented to you that conflicts with your opinion, it is a sign of irrationality.

3) You call people who disagree with you names

When discussing some issue, if you tend to call people who do not hold your view names, it is a sign that you're acting irrationally.

The double DFL for BAS' debut Tennessee teams is not something that falls larglely on her but as a coach who has taken over at new jobs over a half dozen times I can tell you that with right environment and ground work laid a new coach can take average talent and improve some just on the energy and excitment of a new coach.

When I have witnessed this not take place looking back on many jobs I can't recall one where things actually got much better than average at best ever. So my bet is BAS is out of Knoxville 3 years from now either by choice recognizing she isn't getting job done and knows she better leave or its so bad UT has replaced her.

Well, we did see published that the Tennessee vision that Morgan Harvey is not a part of is "SEC Championship". This is the event to watch in the next couple years.Of course, this 2015 result was predictable (probably even predicted/expected), and likely due to the letting go of the various assistant coaches, as much as the athletes who were cut.So I ask again, why the urgency?Given that 2014-2015 season was going to be predictably written off anyway, and the scholarship money was rightfully tied up until the end of the school year, what was the upside for University of Tennessee for letting the six freshman go, two weeks into September, before any of them even competed?Seems to me, honoring the scholarships this year, with a clear message for next year, costs the university nothing (sunk costs), and would have avoided the outrage.

some dumb peeps here wrote:

You guys quoting their finish at SEC's this year means nothing to the thread. Obviously by having free scholarships all year she didnt care about how well they did this year. Shes re-building a program and the possibility of 1 point from Harvey wouldn't have made a difference. Check back in 3 years when she gets her recruits to campus and trains them for 1-2 years

Refer to #2.

The women were dead last and the men did not fear any better. Some much for the coaching genius of the distant coach who thought JJ could not coach the men or the women for that matter and was undermining his every move.The men distant best finish was probably 17th in events from the 800m up, but he is the greatest distant coach in the state of Tennessee. Talk is cheap Mr. Politician.

I did. In my first two sentences.

So again,

SMiLE wrote:

Dial it up wrote:

Refer to #2.

I did. In my first two sentences.

So again,

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=6057002&id=6499167#6499167

Yea sorry bud I'm not going To go searching for your posts because you don't know what you're talking about. Nothing personal, I wouldnt take sky diving advice from someone who has never been in an airplane either.

Dial it up wrote:

Yea sorry bud I'm not going To go searching for your posts because you don't know what you're talking about. Nothing personal, I wouldnt take sky diving advice from someone who has never been in an airplane either.

ahh, you talk the talk. not buying it. A lot of us know about coaching runners and treating people well.

Dial it up wrote:

Yea sorry bud I'm not going To go searching for your posts

You don't have to go searching. I gave you a direct link.

Again, for your convenience:

Dial it up wrote:

because you don't know what you're talking about.

You have repeatedly failed to show that this is the case.

Dial it up wrote:

Nothing personal, I wouldnt take sky diving advice from someone who has never been in an airplane either.

An argument stands on its merit. That is, an argument's validity and soundness does not depend on any quality the person making the argument might have or might not have.

Therefore, this objection is irrelevant.

Nothing works with you SMiLE. It is like arguing with a 4 year old that doesn't know that he doesn't know! Have a great evening basking in ignorance.

Hahaha!! wrote:

Nothing works with you SMiLE.

Sound reasoning does.

You've yet to do any.

Hahaha!! wrote:

It is like arguing with a 4 year old that doesn't know that he doesn't know! Have a great evening basking in ignorance.

If you disagree with something I've written, give an explanation why you disagree with it.

I've responded to every explanation given for a differing view than the one I hold. In my responses, I've given adequate reasons why those views were mistaken.

So far, the only reply to these responses has been similar to the one in the above quote. That is, they assert that I am ignorant or like a child. This is done in an attempt to dismiss what I've stated without actually having to address it.

I have essentially tried to explain to you that there is oxygen which allows you to live and you keep denying its existence.

Let's do this since nothing else will work. You can keep posting here about UT in the here and now. When the normal cycle of recruiting and rebuilding happens in 3-4 years then we can revisit this like adults. Please forgive me if I gloat a little as I already know the probable ending.

I will say that in 3-4 years BAS will take this program to higher levels and they will be trending up. I honestly don't think she is that great of a coach but I will say that they will be middle of SEC in track and top 3-4 in XC. In a conference like this that is still pretty solid.

I will take it a step further and say that none of the ladies that were cut will score in an individual event at NCAA.

We can agree to disagree about what you call honor or morals in this story. I feel that the timing and judgment BAS used was poor but it has nothing to do with morals or honor. I also don't think this thread - no matter how long you want to push it - will change her recruiting for the worse whether you push it toward the top of the message board during certain times of year or not. Just doesn't matter.

Look, I'm sure you are probably a nice person and mean well but I just don't think you understand much about coaching at the college level in major programs.

We'll talk again down the line. Don't let all this hate burn you up. It's not good for you and doesn't hurt BAS.

I didn't think so before, but, after reading this, I am close to certain that you are BAS. Otherwise, how would you know that this doesn't hurt BAS??

In any case, this post is nothing but magical thinking.

Whatever else is true about LR MB, they are THE central clearinghouse for DI distance running. If you think that the fact that this thread has lived at the top of the message boards, off and on, for months now, is not hurting BAS recruiting, then, there's no reason to believe that you are on your meds. BAS is cooked!

I checked in here to see if anyone - especially you - had answered the question I asked well upstream now: Who has BAS roped in for next year that will score in SEC? If the message board comments here don't matter, and BAS has such a keen eye for talent, then let's see some proof. Give us some names.

Great question. Who has BAS recruited that's going to make an impact in SECs next year?

Flotrack ranked the runners and the overall recruiting classes:

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/251948-Track-Season-on-FloTrack-2015/article/30949-Official-Recruiting-Class-Rankings

. UT doesn't appear.

Notre Dame is no. 1 for the incoming Women's class. I think that's interesting in that they also have a new head and distance coach. While Notre Dame is probably a more desirable school than UT, it's also a more difficult school to recruit for (much higher academic standards, much high costs for kids on partial scholarships, location is middle of nowhere, catholic, etc.).

Why can Notre Dame recruit and UT can't? Simple. BAS has poisoned the well of a once great track program. Amazingly, she did it within the first 30 days on the job.

Hahaha!! wrote:

I will say that in 3-4 years BAS will take this program to higher levels and they will be trending up. I honestly don't think she is that great of a coach but I will say that they will be middle of SEC in track and top 3-4 in XC. In a conference like this that is still pretty solid.

I will take it a step further and say that none of the ladies that were cut will score in an individual event at NCAA.

We can agree to disagree about what you call honor or morals in this story. I feel that the timing and judgment BAS used was poor but it has nothing to do with morals or honor.

Wow. The program is scraping the bottom. When you top out at the lower third of all schools (a higher level!! Win!!!) You will show the administration how far.you've come. Good job. Let's all slow clap that one. Excellence thy name is BAS.

BAS made sure none of those ladies will score. They've lost full year of development!

Wow that school is toxic. Crazy stuff.

Hahaha!! wrote:

"A lot of us know about coaching runners and treating people well." The ignorance is astounding. Well, you don't know about expectations and coaching track in the SEC. That is for sure.

We have some of the best middle distance talent in the country where I live. Will take note make sure that potential recruits see this and stay clear of UT, BAS, and perhaps even your beloved SEC.

The 2015 girls (and guys) to watch:http://www.utsports.com/sports/c-xctrack/spec-rel/112014aae.html"The men's class of 2015 includes: Will Boling, Ari Cogdell, Wesley Edwards, Zach Long, Seth Whitener, and Mustaqeem Williams. The incoming women's class consists of: Maia McCoy, DeAndra Greer, Savannah Marlow, Abby McCulla, Peighton Meske, Jessica Rizor, Julia Rizor, LaChyna Roe, and Layla White."

jimmy john wrote:

Great question. Who has BAS recruited that's going to make an impact in SECs next year?

rekrunner wrote:

The 2015 girls (and guys) to watch:

http://www.utsports.com/sports/c-xctrack/spec-rel/112014aae.html

"The men's class of 2015 includes: Will Boling, Ari Cogdell, Wesley Edwards, Zach Long, Seth Whitener, and Mustaqeem Williams. The incoming women's class consists of: Maia McCoy, DeAndra Greer, Savannah Marlow, Abby McCulla, Peighton Meske, Jessica Rizor, Julia Rizor, LaChyna Roe, and Layla White."

jimmy john wrote:

Great question. Who has BAS recruited that's going to make an impact in SECs next year?

Well they added some depth to the women's XC, but those 5:00 - 5:09 1600 m runners would place about 30-35th at the vaunted SEC track championships. A lot of points there you know.