that just happened wrote:
this is not the same team that geneseo beat last week is it?
5. University of Guelph
15 Allan Brett, Jr 24:01 4:50
18 Kyle Boorsma, Sr 24:05 4:51
34 John Parrott, Sr 24:26 4:55
45 Matt Brunsting, Sr 24:32 4:57
97 Rob Jackson, So 24:55 5:01
Total Time = 2:01:57 Total Places = 209
yeah it's the same team, Allan Brett was fourth in the Ontario meet
Peter Kosgei reaches another level higher..........is he the best DIII runner of all time ?
mmmhmm wrote:
that just happened wrote:this is not the same team that geneseo beat last week is it?
5. University of Guelph
15 Allan Brett, Jr 24:01 4:50
18 Kyle Boorsma, Sr 24:05 4:51
34 John Parrott, Sr 24:26 4:55
45 Matt Brunsting, Sr 24:32 4:57
97 Rob Jackson, So 24:55 5:01
Total Time = 2:01:57 Total Places = 209
yeah it's the same team, Allan Brett was fourth in the Ontario meet
Brett, Jackson, and Parrott all raced Western Ontario. Boorsma and Brunsting did not.
Vin wrote:
Cortland finishes 12th in gold race at Paul Short. It was a pretty solid performance. I'm guessing it was a wet course. They will certainly run better later in the season and hopefully Jerry can put it together. KOB certainly could be further up too and who would have thought Jared Newell would have been Cortland's 7th?
Also, St. Lawrence finished a disappointing 35th with Plattsburgh 37th.
Although it was Peter Kosgei who stole the show, finishing 4th in 23:42; 2 seconds from 1st. Heymann finished 24th in 24:12.
Allegheny was 20th, Haverford 30th, Dickinson 33rd and an outstanding show of D1 power out of UB...34th place.
st law and plattsburgh actually lost to UB? i'm really hoping they didn't run their top 7
SLU and Plattsburgh loose to UB.
What happen to those two teams today? RIT and Fredonia would have had a field day with them!
Impressive that geneseo ran with those guys.
Cortland seemed to run the same race as last year, they should be better if KOB can close that gap which im sure he will.
Too bad fredonia wasn't in the race...
Fredonia what? wrote:
Too bad fredonia wasn't in the race...
Wait they weren't?!
But you imply RIT was? I don't see them in the results...
Ithaca also beats TCNJ...
Rit who?
"Impressive wrote:"
Impressive that geneseo ran with those guys.
Cortland seemed to run the same race as last year, they should be better if KOB can close that gap which im sure he will.
Geneseo ran with those guys without Lee Berube or Mark Streb last Saturday. More impressive!!
62 Sean Curry, Fr 24:41 4:59Pretty impressive freshman from Cortland at Paul Short.And...
porcupine wrote:
Peter Kosgei reaches another level higher..........is he the best DIII runner of all time ?
Better than Nick Symmonds? Just one example.
Vin wrote:
On the women's side in the gold race, St. Lawrence placed well, but didn't run up to their potential. Pavlus and Hulton both ran very well to take 31st and 40th, but Luddington was way back in 116th. Lemme and Derby also didn't seem to have very good races. Could simply be they were overwhelmed by the size and high quality of the race.
Did you look at their times?!?! Those times would win regionals and place well in the top 20 at nationals.
Also: RIT sucks.
You obviously all neglected to notice that SLU's top five were all under 25:50 with a spread of 1 minute. Plattsburgh had Heymann up at 24:14 and then the next three under 25:50 with one around 26:30
Even with the fellow way out there at 26:30, Both Plattsburgh and SLU have averages of sub 25:30 and as such, are significantly better than Fredonia or RIT. RIT and Fredonia wouldn't have been in the gold race.
The last race RIT ran was either short, or extremely prone to fast times.
Oswego as a team improved on average 8 seconds per mile faster, moving from a 6k to an 8k at that race.
Ithaca's B team (5 guys), improved 1:30 on average from the slow course of miscon-whatever to houghton.
The times that RIT ran are obviously not accurate measures of the place they are at, at this point in the season.
umm...paul short is short. and fast. those times for SLU and Platts are not really good....
conclusion : Buff State sucks
Bulldozer wrote:
You obviously all neglected to notice that SLU's top five were all under 25:50 with a spread of 1 minute. Plattsburgh had Heymann up at 24:14 and then the next three under 25:50 with one around 26:30
Even with the fellow way out there at 26:30, Both Plattsburgh and SLU have averages of sub 25:30 and as such, are significantly better than Fredonia or RIT. RIT and Fredonia wouldn't have been in the gold race.
The last race RIT ran was either short, or extremely prone to fast times.
Oswego as a team improved on average 8 seconds per mile faster, moving from a 6k to an 8k at that race.
Ithaca's B team (5 guys), improved 1:30 on average from the slow course of miscon-whatever to houghton.
The times that RIT ran are obviously not accurate measures of the place they are at, at this point in the season.
I guess we will see tomorrow both RIT and Fredonia run at Geneseo.
But if you go by who beat who, fredonia beat UB and UB beat SLU and Platts. So technically fredonia is better than both teams.
But obviously you can never REALLY tell until the teams go head to head.
uote]Big Will wrote:62 Sean Curry, Fr 24:41 4:59Pretty impressive freshman from Cortland at Paul Short.And...
porcupine wrote:
Peter Kosgei reaches another level higher..........is he the best DIII runner of all time ?
Better than Nick Symmonds? Just one example.[/quote]
Symmonds had 7 NCAA titles. Kosgei has 9 with at least 3 more on the horizon
This year. Not saying that's the only measure, but kosgei has more titles than any other runner in d3 history.
Bulldozer wrote:
You obviously all neglected to notice that SLU's top five were all under 25:50 with a spread of 1 minute. Plattsburgh had Heymann up at 24:14 and then the next three under 25:50 with one around 26:30
Even with the fellow way out there at 26:30, Both Plattsburgh and SLU have averages of sub 25:30 and as such, are significantly better than Fredonia or RIT. RIT and Fredonia wouldn't have been in the gold race.
The last race RIT ran was either short, or extremely prone to fast times.
The times that RIT ran are obviously not accurate measures of the place they are at, at this point in the season.
A fast average doesn't mean dick doesn't mean dick if your fifth man is 2+ minutes behind your first. Plattsburgh doesn't deserve to be nationally ranked at this point. One stud and three solid runners does not an XC team make, you need all five to seal the deal. A 26:30 at Paul Short isn't worth much more than a 27:30 at Letchworth, and 27:30 for your fifth is not going to cut it this year.
SLU is better than RIT. RIT would probably have had 7-8 guys in before Plattsburghs 5th.
Paul Short is, and always has been a very, very fast course. The course that RIT ran on at Houghton is also a very fast course. Having run at both, I'd put them about on par. The only real different being that RIT was time-trialing and not racing anyone but themselves. And they only ran 3 of their top 5.
I'll take RIT over Plattsburgh (and Fredonia) any day. SLU, on the other hand...
I didn't know much about paul short, so now I do. Sometimes simply saying something is the best way to get the info you are looking for.
moloradocudstuffin wrote:
Bulldozer wrote:You obviously all neglected to notice that SLU's top five were all under 25:50 with a spread of 1 minute. Plattsburgh had Heymann up at 24:14 and then the next three under 25:50 with one around 26:30
Even with the fellow way out there at 26:30, Both Plattsburgh and SLU have averages of sub 25:30 and as such, are significantly better than Fredonia or RIT. RIT and Fredonia wouldn't have been in the gold race.
The last race RIT ran was either short, or extremely prone to fast times.
The times that RIT ran are obviously not accurate measures of the place they are at, at this point in the season.
A fast average doesn't mean dick doesn't mean dick if your fifth man is 2+ minutes behind your first. Plattsburgh doesn't deserve to be nationally ranked at this point. One stud and three solid runners does not an XC team make, you need all five to seal the deal. A 26:30 at Paul Short isn't worth much more than a 27:30 at Letchworth, and 27:30 for your fifth is not going to cut it this year.
SLU is better than RIT. RIT would probably have had 7-8 guys in before Plattsburghs 5th.
Paul Short is, and always has been a very, very fast course. The course that RIT ran on at Houghton is also a very fast course. Having run at both, I'd put them about on par. The only real different being that RIT was time-trialing and not racing anyone but themselves. And they only ran 3 of their top 5.
I'll take RIT over Plattsburgh (and Fredonia) any day. SLU, on the other hand...
I definitely agree that Houghton and Paul Short are comparable. Houghton is more flat, almost no elevation change either way on the entire course, but you get pulled along by the pack at Paul Short.