David Roche GOES HOME DEVASTATED from Western States

I R8 Trolls wrote:

I find Roche to be pretty irritating, but his latest video actually isn’t so bad.

First of all, he’s not in whacky-scientist training mode, so there’s no BS latest and greatest training paradigm based on a single study done in rats that’s going to mix up the standings. Without that overlay he’s just a kind of odd, sad guy dealing with a very obvious public failure.

His relationship with Megan is as cringey as ever (shots for every time she says “I’m proud of you” - switch to tequila once the words lose all meaning and it becomes clear they’re just a reflexive twitch, like saying “bless you” after someone sneezes. David takes a step “I’m proud of you”… David takes a swig of sugar water “improudofyou” … David wipes his own butt “immmmprouddddofyou”.

Actually thought he did a good job eating humble pie - didn’t hide the fact that his doctor was right there telling him that he was fine, and that when he pulled out he was absolutely physically capable of jogging it in. In fact, the most irritating moment is when he still makes a loose claim to probably having been able to finish top-12 (cmon man, that takes actual grit), but mostly he just presents what seems to have actually happened - he started questioning how much he wanted to suffer vs. how much he wanted to finish, and once winning was out of the question, he didn’t want it enough. He presents this as having had a panic attack, which, maybe he did. I will say that he doesn’t look or talk in the footage remotely like someone who is struggling with anxiety, but I’m willing to believe it.

He finishes up with a commitment to therapy, which is great, everyone should have that opportunity. I’d recommend he focus on letting go of this pathological need to be positive at all times, even when it’s clear he doesn’t mean it. What is the root cause of this urge to tell strangers that you love them, that they are amazing? It’s not normal, it’s not healthy. If he can find a more stoic, less hyperbolic way of approaching life and running, there’s obviously an incredible talent in there someday - capable of a top 5 WSER finish no doubt.

ClaudeAI Analyses This Thread wrote:

"There's a moment in Breakable that stood out for us—not the science talk, not the self-deprecation, but when David basically says: I just got scared out there. It's remarkably rare to hear an elite athlete admit that so plainly.

The mise-en-scène is quietly compelling. Shot on a porch in sunlight, David sits in a wide-brim cap that casts a shadow across his eyes. So when he gets emotional, we can't see his face fully—the effect is strangely tender. The porch, the quiet, the unrehearsed honesty: it all works like an emotional scrim, softening the view just enough to make you lean in.

There’s something almost Kiarostami-like in how it’s presented. No overproduced drama, no cinematic redemption arc. Just a man reckoning with the limits of his ambition and his body. Director Cody might not have had Taste of Cherry in mind, but he landed in a similar emotional register. That quiet reluctance to impose meaning is what gives the piece its depth."

This was always the plan wrote:

ClaudeAI Analyses This Thread wrote:

"There's a moment in Breakable that stood out for us—not the science talk, not the self-deprecation, but when David basically says: I just got scared out there. It's remarkably rare to hear an elite athlete admit that so plainly.

The mise-en-scène is quietly compelling. Shot on a porch in sunlight, David sits in a wide-brim cap that casts a shadow across his eyes. So when he gets emotional, we can't see his face fully—the effect is strangely tender. The porch, the quiet, the unrehearsed honesty: it all works like an emotional scrim, softening the view just enough to make you lean in.

There’s something almost Kiarostami-like in how it’s presented. No overproduced drama, no cinematic redemption arc. Just a man reckoning with the limits of his ambition and his body. Director Cody might not have had Taste of Cherry in mind, but he landed in a similar emotional register. That quiet reluctance to impose meaning is what gives the piece its depth."

Thanks, David

is David suicidal? wrote:

Runforthehillz wrote:

Hopefully his therapist knows that he pretends to be a chatbot, probably useful information.

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Charm and Charisma: They can use charm and persuasion to make therapists overestimate their progress.

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This was always the plan wrote:

is David suicidal? wrote:

How do Narcissists manipulate their therapists?

Narcissists are often skilled at manipulating others, and this extends to their interactions with therapists. Their goal is typically to control the narrative, avoid accountability, and reinforce their inflated sense of self.

Here are some ways they might attempt to manipulate their therapists:

Charm and Charisma: They can use charm and persuasion to make therapists overestimate their progress.

Playing the Victim: They may present themselves as victims to avoid responsibility and gain sympathy, sometimes with exaggerated or fabricated stories.

Idealization and Devaluation: They might initially idealize their therapist, but if challenged, they may try to undermine their credibility.

Shifting Blame and Projection: They often blame others or project their own faults to avoid accountability and make it difficult for the therapist to remain objective.

Controlling the Session: They may dominate conversations and avoid uncomfortable topics to keep the focus on their perspective.

Gaslighting: They might twist facts or deny previous statements to manipulate the therapist's perception.

Testing Boundaries: They may test the limits of the therapeutic relationship for their own benefit.

Weaponizing Therapy: They might misuse what they learn in therapy to justify their behavior or criticize others.

Challenges for therapists

Treating individuals with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is challenging because they resist admitting fault and tend to manipulate. Accountability, which is key in therapies like couples therapy, is often avoided by narcissists. When a person in a relationship refuses to take accountability, therapy can become unproductive.

Therapists working with individuals with NPD need skills to identify and manage these manipulative behaviors while maintaining boundaries. Focusing on the patient's underlying issues and goals is important. Seeking support from colleagues can also be helpful. A respectful, nonjudgmental approach that is tailored to the patient's needs is crucial. A flexible, collaborative approach focusing on the patient's goals can be beneficial.

Link:www.google.com/search?q=how+do+narciss...

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