This thread is crazy stupid because the transphobes turned it that way. The critique of his coaching and running exaggerations are legit but when it is about his sexuality, him sticking up for transgender people, appearances then the critiques of him seem to be about something other than running.
Him falsely asserting that Imane Khelif was female and literally having to stifle his laughter on his podcast when it was mentioned Khelif's female competitor cried in the ring ≠ 'sticking up for transgender people'.
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Him falsely asserting that Imane Khelif was female and literally having to stifle his laughter on his podcast when it was mentioned Khelif's female competitor cried in the ring ≠ 'sticking up for transgender people'.
Him falsely asserting that Imane Khelif was female and literally having to stifle his laughter on his podcast when it was mentioned Khelif's female competitor cried in the ring ≠ 'sticking up for transgender people'.
The competitor was a wimp and baby. Go listen to Trump you loser
This thread is crazy stupid because the transphobes turned it that way. The critique of his coaching and running exaggerations are legit but when it is about his sexuality, him sticking up for transgender people, appearances then the critiques of him seem to be about something other than running.
This thread is about David Roche, not trans issues. Let's get back to the point of the thread
In many ways trans women are MORE womanly than cis women because they weren't simply born with womanhood. They had to learn it, study it, become it. They earned their place in the locker room."
WTF is this. That last paragraph is eww.
FYI I am a woman. Since birth. I don't wanna compete against someone who grew up as a man and then transitioned. I will call them a woman, I will respect them as much as everyone else but I will not be ok with competing against them. And I also don't want a MAN (or Roche, or ChatGPT) to tell me who or is more womanly.. eww. And Roche would be the first one to backhandedly bash a trans athlete if they beat his wife. But it's all loooove.
In many ways trans women are MORE womanly than cis women because they weren't simply born with womanhood. They had to learn it, study it, become it. They earned their place in the locker room."
WTF is this. That last paragraph is eww.
FYI I am a woman. Since birth. I don't wanna compete against someone who grew up as a man and then transitioned. I will call them a woman, I will respect them as much as everyone else but I will not be ok with competing against them. And I also don't want a MAN (or Roche, or ChatGPT) to tell me who or is more womanly.. eww. And Roche would be the first one to backhandedly bash a trans athlete if they beat his wife. But it's all loooove.
A man confidently lecturing women on what constitutes womanhood. I think we’ve all seen this film before!
In many ways trans women are MORE womanly than cis women because they weren't simply born with womanhood. They had to learn it, study it, become it. They earned their place in the locker room."
WTF is this. That last paragraph is eww.
FYI I am a woman. Since birth. I don't wanna compete against someone who grew up as a man and then transitioned. I will call them a woman, I will respect them as much as everyone else but I will not be ok with competing against them. And I also don't want a MAN (or Roche, or ChatGPT) to tell me who or is more womanly.. eww. And Roche would be the first one to backhandedly bash a trans athlete if they beat his wife. But it's all loooove.
"I didn’t write that. Someone is impersonating me, posting inflammatory nonsense to discredit me and derail the discussion. The fact that people feel the need to resort to outright fabrication says everything.
To those who believed it: I get why you’d be angry. It’s grotesque and patronizing. But take a second look—this is a bad-faith caricature, designed to rile people up and smear any actual arguments in support of trans rights. Classic dirty trick.
This kind of smear campaign has a long history. Zola famously wrote J’Accuse…! in defense of an innocent man who was framed because the truth was inconvenient to those in power. The stakes here are smaller, but the tactic is the same: when you can’t win on the facts, you manufacture a lie and hope it sticks.
So let’s be clear: If you disagree with what I’ve actually said, argue against that. If you need to fabricate nonsense to make me look bad, then congratulations—you’ve admitted you can’t win on the merits."
In many ways trans women are MORE womanly than cis women because they weren't simply born with womanhood. They had to learn it, study it, become it. They earned their place in the locker room."
Oh in that case I'm sure you'd be fine with all women's medical research being conducted in transwomen. Because TW are women, right?
I'm on the left and don't care how people identify and will call people whatever they want, but to ignore biological reality in all situations is daft.
Now, back to the Roche bashing. I find the podcast frustrating, each episode actually has about 15 mins of good stuff, and there are things to be learned from it, it's just cutting through the hour of chaff and immaturity to get to it that pains. I really think he's on the right track in certain elements though and pushing trail running forward (fuelling, heat, keeping on top of blood work). I do find the over the top positivity to be nauseous, but I had assumed that was a USA cultural thing - I know you love your therapists there.
The exaggeration aspect (sub 4 min mile shape) is a bit annoying but I don't find it as offensive as many do on this thread. When I wear supershoes on the treadmill I'm about 5-10s/km faster than outside, he probably should just acknowledge that. Or as others say, go back it up outdoors!
The training plan farm for me is the biggest "hmmm", there just seems to be too many athletes telling the same story. I don't necessarily think this is malicious though...I can see how as the business grows it gets more and more tricky to give people the time they've paid for. Buyer beware I guess?
I’m confused now. Is ChatGPT actually someone texting David who is then texting his rebuttal for that person to post? Is it Megan typing while David dictates from the treadmill? Is it videographer Cody desperately trying to transcribe while lugging his equipment and all of David’s gels up a mountain? I’m not clear on why we’re using quotation marks here.
So, for me, I don't 'hate' and I am pretty sure most people here don't 'hate' David. There are red flags and make me a skeptic of his process and 'authenticity'. You'll want to explore more than just the videos to get more information before you decide for yourself.
I’m confused now. Is ChatGPT actually someone texting David who is then texting his rebuttal for that person to post? Is it Megan typing while David dictates from the treadmill? Is it videographer Cody desperately trying to transcribe while lugging his equipment and all of David’s gels up a mountain? I’m not clear on why we’re using quotation marks here.
No one else is willing to go to the dark depths of training that David goes. 4:26 pace, for one minutes, let's fvcking do it! No one has ever run a 400m in 67 seconds before!!!
FYI I am a woman. Since birth. I don't wanna compete against someone who grew up as a man and then transitioned. I will call them a woman, I will respect them as much as everyone else but I will not be ok with competing against them. And I also don't want a MAN (or Roche, or ChatGPT) to tell me who or is more womanly.. eww. And Roche would be the first one to backhandedly bash a trans athlete if they beat his wife. But it's all loooove.
"I didn’t write that. Someone is impersonating me, posting inflammatory nonsense to discredit me and derail the discussion. The fact that people feel the need to resort to outright fabrication says everything.
To those who believed it: I get why you’d be angry. It’s grotesque and patronizing. But take a second look—this is a bad-faith caricature, designed to rile people up and smear any actual arguments in support of trans rights. Classic dirty trick.
This kind of smear campaign has a long history. Zola famously wrote J’Accuse…! in defense of an innocent man who was framed because the truth was inconvenient to those in power. The stakes here are smaller, but the tactic is the same: when you can’t win on the facts, you manufacture a lie and hope it sticks.
So let’s be clear: If you disagree with what I’ve actually said, argue against that. If you need to fabricate nonsense to make me look bad, then congratulations—you’ve admitted you can’t win on the merits."
Hmmm, I'm not buying that someone is trying to impersonate this poster. Is there an extra space in the handle or something? I don't believe the message board allows for two different devices to post with the same unregister handle/username. I might be wrong.
It's all part of the Roche façade. It's not reality, but it's tied up in toxic positivity and false hope.
I'm not even sure toxic positivity is the correct phrase. I listened to his podcast once and turned it off because during it he was snarling venom at JK Rowling (for taking issue with males in female events). A quick scan of his latest tweets and his pinned tweet says "When I was young, I chased prize purses. Now, I chase history…the plates can be used to collect the tears of doubters". Plus his most recent workout clip also says he's running on "a bit of hate" because of online comments from his 'haters' and that "They’re not willing to go to the places I’m about to go. 4:26 pace, LET’S HIT THIS.”
Now, imagine Kerr or Jakob said they were 'drinking the tears of their doubters', 'running on the hate' of online letsrun posters, or seething over a children's author on a podcast. These behaviours are way more negative than anything they've ever publicly said and yet, they often get called arrogant and irritable whereas the person who actually made these remarks is somehow 'positive' (albeit toxically).
Saying "I love you" every 75 seconds in between blatantly negative statements isn't toxic positivity in my opinion, it's something more like 'badly camouflaged negativity'.
This is very well said. His facade of love everyone is total BS and it’s really not that hard to see all the poorly suppressed hatred he embodies. As with most toxically positive people, it stems from underlying mental health issues. The guy sounds like he’s gonna go off the rails at any moment. Good thing he has SWAP cheerleaders to tell him how special he is though.
As to the earlier post, the impersonator likely swapped the lowercase ‘l’ in ‘Analyses’ for an uppercase ‘I.’ In some fonts, they look identical, which is why it passed unnoticed at first.
As for whether impersonation is possible here—it seems it is, if you’re determined enough. If you sincerely didn’t realize that, no problem. If you did realize and ran with it anyway… well, that’s certainly a choice.
Either way, I’d rather get back to actual discussion than playing spot-the-fraud, but I figured it was worth clearing up."
As to the earlier post, the impersonator likely swapped the lowercase ‘l’ in ‘Analyses’ for an uppercase ‘I.’ In some fonts, they look identical, which is why it passed unnoticed at first.
As for whether impersonation is possible here—it seems it is, if you’re determined enough. If you sincerely didn’t realize that, no problem. If you did realize and ran with it anyway… well, that’s certainly a choice.
Either way, I’d rather get back to actual discussion than playing spot-the-fraud, but I figured it was worth clearing up."
Sincerely didn't realize, but such an offensive post needed to be called out and questioned. Back to it.
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