Fascinating interview with Stockton Rush (CEO of OceanGate). Unfortunately, he disregarded too many safety protocols, but the article gives great insight into why he pursued the ocean depths and Titanic--more than what we're hearing in the news and social media right now.
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Kuyjjytdvnjjnhgf wrote:
Hold On a Moment wrote:
Google "Mythbusters Meat Man". That was only at 135 psi, not 6000 psi.
The hull collapse/implosion would have taken place in less than 20 milliseconds. The human brain can't process a stimulus in less than 25 milliseconds and any rational reaction takes about 150 milliseconds. The crew never knew what hit them nor did they feel anything.
They probably heard a few cracks
I was wondering about this. I get that the actual implosion happened in an instant, and it's not like they would have had a chance to react or feel anything. But I wonder if they had any indication in advance that something was going awry with the craft.
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reer wrote:
Kuyjjytdvnjjnhgf wrote:
They probably heard a few cracks
I was wondering about this. I get that the actual implosion happened in an instant, and it's not like they would have had a chance to react or feel anything. But I wonder if they had any indication in advance that something was going awry with the craft.
Those dudes were red mist in an instant
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reer wrote:
Kuyjjytdvnjjnhgf wrote:
They probably heard a few cracks
I was wondering about this. I get that the actual implosion happened in an instant, and it's not like they would have had a chance to react or feel anything. But I wonder if they had any indication in advance that something was going awry with the craft.
I wonder the same thing. Did they hear the vessel's materials straining and groaning before instant implosion? Did the vessel normally strain or groan as it descended?
I also wonder the near instantaneous sequence of events, if it could be filmed at nanosecond slo mo. I'm guessing the first slight fatal crack, say at the end with the acrylic glass, would implode inwardly instantly through the titanium tube faster than a gunshot.
But would that implosion immediately cause the other end or tube to implode inward? Or would that compromised glass end with water shoot straight through the tube and out the other end? Or I guess it would instantly stop at the other end like a mile-thick wall of lead bricks because of the water pressure outside.
I know this would happen so instantly the naked eye couldn't observe the sequence because we're talking milliseconds. But there still would be a sequence in nanoseconds in ultra slow motion that would be interesting to observe.
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Trollminator wrote:
40/40 Hindsight wrote:
SOSUS (Sound Surveillance System) has been around forever. Developed in the '40s, installed in the '50s by the US Navy. They likely knew of the implosion and the location immediately, and the rest of the time was gathering the resources (robotic submersibles) to reach it. We are talking about sea travel. It takes time.
SOSUS isn't really "Top Secret" anymore. It is fairly known. There are some interesting theories out there about the Navy's (and possibly the USSR's) involvement and knowledge about the sinking of the USS Scorpion because of SOSUS. Mainly, what the Navy knew, when they knew about it, and how they decided to act up that information...
They received a noise signature consistent with that of an implosion. It was reported up the chain. It took another couple of hours for the company to report that the submersible had stopped responding. The rest of the time was spent corroborating. Pretty straightforward and logical. You don't jump the gun on these things.
Right.
You don't mention it for days and lead families and the public to believe the passengers are still alive and running out of air. That's the responsible way to do it
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just passing by wrote:
reer wrote:
I was wondering about this. I get that the actual implosion happened in an instant, and it's not like they would have had a chance to react or feel anything. But I wonder if they had any indication in advance that something was going awry with the craft.
I wonder the same thing. Did they hear the vessel's materials straining and groaning before instant implosion? Did the vessel normally strain or groan as it descended?
I also wonder the near instantaneous sequence of events, if it could be filmed at nanosecond slo mo. I'm guessing the first slight fatal crack, say at the end with the acrylic glass, would implode inwardly instantly through the titanium tube faster than a gunshot.
But would that implosion immediately cause the other end or tube to implode inward? Or would that compromised glass end with water shoot straight through the tube and out the other end? Or I guess it would instantly stop at the other end like a mile-thick wall of lead bricks because of the water pressure outside.
I know this would happen so instantly the naked eye couldn't observe the sequence because we're talking milliseconds. But there still would be a sequence in nanoseconds in ultra slow motion that would be interesting to observe.
what is with all the "straining and groaning questions" in your posts? Have you been watching porn?
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just passing by wrote:
Fascinating interview with Stockton Rush (CEO of OceanGate). Unfortunately, he disregarded too many safety protocols, but the article gives great insight into why he pursued the ocean depths and Titanic--more than what we're hearing in the news and social media right now.
Princeton grad. Between him and Rojo the value of that schools degree is way down.
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Newname wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
They received a noise signature consistent with that of an implosion. It was reported up the chain. It took another couple of hours for the company to report that the submersible had stopped responding. The rest of the time was spent corroborating. Pretty straightforward and logical. You don't jump the gun on these things.
Right.
You don't mention it for days and lead families and the public to believe the passengers are still alive and running out of air. That's the responsible way to do it
Exactly, you mentioned there might have been a a catastrophic explosion but we will continue to conduct a search and rescue mission in the hopes that they are still alive.
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Newname wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
They received a noise signature consistent with that of an implosion. It was reported up the chain. It took another couple of hours for the company to report that the submersible had stopped responding. The rest of the time was spent corroborating. Pretty straightforward and logical. You don't jump the gun on these things.
Right.
You don't mention it for days and lead families and the public to believe the passengers are still alive and running out of air. That's the responsible way to do it
You have to submit 5 forms before you're allowed to pick your nose in the military. You think they're gonna make a big announcement without being absolutely 100% certain? The military only cares about the media in that it doesn't make them look foolish, they do not care about the rest of the circus or their families. The only thing that could have made them look foolish here is saying "It imploded" and later finding out it didn't. They passed along the information to those who needed to know and waited for confirmation.
The conspiracy theories around this are some of the dumbest I've ever seen.
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just passing by wrote:
reer wrote:
I was wondering about this. I get that the actual implosion happened in an instant, and it's not like they would have had a chance to react or feel anything. But I wonder if they had any indication in advance that something was going awry with the craft.
I wonder the same thing. Did they hear the vessel's materials straining and groaning before instant implosion? Did the vessel normally strain or groan as it descended?
I also wonder the near instantaneous sequence of events, if it could be filmed at nanosecond slo mo. I'm guessing the first slight fatal crack, say at the end with the acrylic glass, would implode inwardly instantly through the titanium tube faster than a gunshot.
But would that implosion immediately cause the other end or tube to implode inward? Or would that compromised glass end with water shoot straight through the tube and out the other end? Or I guess it would instantly stop at the other end like a mile-thick wall of lead bricks because of the water pressure outside.
I know this would happen so instantly the naked eye couldn't observe the sequence because we're talking milliseconds. But there still would be a sequence in nanoseconds in ultra slow motion that would be interesting to observe.
You want to watch people die in slow motion?
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Newname wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
They received a noise signature consistent with that of an implosion. It was reported up the chain. It took another couple of hours for the company to report that the submersible had stopped responding. The rest of the time was spent corroborating. Pretty straightforward and logical. You don't jump the gun on these things.
Right.
You don't mention it for days and lead families and the public to believe the passengers are still alive and running out of air. That's the responsible way to do it
The Navy sensed a sound with the IUSS. Do you know how far away these underwater sonar stations are? The Titanic sits at the ocean floor 900 miles east of Boston. They have to interpret sounds they detect. Just because they detected an unusual unexpected sound doesn't mean they can instantly know for certain what caused it.
And you don't tell the families, we think we heard the sound of an implosion before it can be verified.
Imagine a family being told there was a catastrophic implosion causing instant death, and then a day later finding that was some other sound and they were able to salvage the submersible and rescue the crew.
They have to verify they've interpreted their evidence correctly before notifying families. The public comes last. Our interest of the least concern.
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just passing by wrote:
Fascinating interview with Stockton Rush (CEO of OceanGate). Unfortunately, he disregarded too many safety protocols, but the article gives great insight into why he pursued the ocean depths and Titanic--more than what we're hearing in the news and social media right now.
I’m like… why is my name fight promoter? 🤔 Oh yeah, that dumb comment about zuck and musk 😂
Anyway, safety protocols are a weird thing in an area where one safety mistake means death. As long as you’re alive, all your experience is telling you you’re being more than careful enough. Experience pushes you toward carelessness, and when something happens that doesn’t reinforce that feeling you don’t live to learn from it. You see that in mountaineering too, I think. People learn over time to be more careless with cornices and crevasses, and then one day a lesson comes that you don’t get the luxury of learning from.
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There are unconfirmed reports that there was a possible megalodon attack.
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Runner10287 wrote:
just passing by wrote:
Fascinating interview with Stockton Rush (CEO of OceanGate). Unfortunately, he disregarded too many safety protocols, but the article gives great insight into why he pursued the ocean depths and Titanic--more than what we're hearing in the news and social media right now.
Princeton grad. Between him and Rojo the value of that schools degree is way down.
So where does OceanGate (sounds like a name custom-made for conspiracy incident) go from here? Do they shutter the business and liquidate their equipment? Do they name a new CEO, should they? Their website still has 2024 Titanic expeditions available. They have more submersibles to continue business as usual, right? Do the victims' families find a way to sue OceanGate out of existence?
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just passing by wrote:
Fascinating interview with Stockton Rush (CEO of OceanGate). Unfortunately, he disregarded too many safety protocols, but the article gives great insight into why he pursued the ocean depths and Titanic--more than what we're hearing in the news and social media right now.
Too bad we can't resurrect this POS so that he could die the slower and more torturous death he fully deserves. Anything for a buck though, right?
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Exactly, this equipment is usually used to detect nuclear tests and other country's navies. If they immediately confirm they heard a disturbance and it then turns out NOT to be the sub imploding then they've just broadcast to the world that there's some military activity in this area.
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Sally Vix wrote:
Newname wrote:
Right.
You don't mention it for days and lead families and the public to believe the passengers are still alive and running out of air. That's the responsible way to do it
Exactly, you mentioned there might have been a a catastrophic explosion but we will continue to conduct a search and rescue mission in the hopes that they are still alive.
You and Newname are up for the dopiest post of the day award pretty early in the day.
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Harley David wrote:
Runner10287 wrote:
Princeton grad. Between him and Rojo the value of that schools degree is way down.
So where does OceanGate (sounds like a name custom-made for conspiracy incident) go from here? Do they shutter the business and liquidate their equipment? Do they name a new CEO, should they? Their website still has 2024 Titanic expeditions available. They have more submersibles to continue business as usual, right? Do the victims' families find a way to sue OceanGate out of existence?
Do the content experts continue to support Titanic expeditions?
Also, I bet at least some of the deceased passengers had life insurance, expect those insurance companies to get involved.
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Harley David wrote:
So where does OceanGate (sounds like a name custom-made for conspiracy incident) go from here? Do they shutter the business and liquidate their equipment? Do they name a new CEO, should they? Their website still has 2024 Titanic expeditions available. They have more submersibles to continue business as usual, right? Do the victims' families find a way to sue OceanGate out of existence?
There will always be a market for this stuff. Climbing Everest is fairly risky and expensive, but rich folks still line up to do it and pass numerous dead bodies on the way up mountain. Submersible "certification" will probably become a requirement moving forward.
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Jonas 'The Skipper' Grunby wrote:
just passing by wrote:
Fascinating interview with Stockton Rush (CEO of OceanGate). Unfortunately, he disregarded too many safety protocols, but the article gives great insight into why he pursued the ocean depths and Titanic--more than what we're hearing in the news and social media right now.
Too bad we can't resurrect this POS so that he could die the slower and more torturous death he fully deserves. Anything for a buck though, right?
I'd say people like you who enjoy these deaths so much deserve "the slower and more torturous death".
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