And look. The far right just did the one that cast a sure-as-can-be red-wave in the fall into doubt.
These are not political masterminds at work here.
Abortion is now on the ballot in all 50 states this fall.
Anyone that is motivated to keep their state from banning women from having access to the choice of an abortion will vote Democrat across the board.
The economy will go up down. Politicians barely influence the economy. Abortion will be the biggest issue in swing voters and turnout, since we know Republicans will ban it in your locality.
If you are conservative and think most Americans agree with your view on this, then you should feel confident that Republicans will gain control.
The republicans who helped craft Roe & Casey did so by recognizing constitutional rights to privacy. The current crop of repo judges say you have no such rights. So, we will see what goes next.
There simply was never any logical connection between the right to privacy and the right to abort. I have the right to privacy inside my home, but that doesn’t mean I have unrestricted freedom to do whatever I want inside my home. If abortion were legal, one could use the right to privacy to say the state can not require, say, reporting of all abortions in tax returns, but it’s just a leap of logic to say the right to privacy implies a right to abort.
It’s also funny to hear people rattle off a list like the right to privacy, bodily autonomy.. and what not. There is only a bodily autonomy argument here that at least is based on any honest logic. There is no separate right to privacy argument that makes any sense. FWIW, the constitution doesn’t protect bodily autonomy and there’s plenty of precedent for the state restricting bodily autonomy.
Early on in pregnancy, it's not a human life in any important sense. No conscious. No feeling. Lesser form of life than the birds we eat. Later on in pregnancy, we can have a discussion, but I'm not as well versed in the progress of baby growth as the anti-abortion people, as they have no doubt spent countless hours researching the growth stages, which by the way, they wouldn't bother doing if they felt like the fertilization argument was convincing.
Great, now you agree on principle with the sanctity-of-lifers and are just squabbling about details of when life begins. Let the local state governments decide where to draw the line. It’s easy to go live in another state if you don’t like a state’s laws.
I don't think the state and local government should be drawing that line for people. I don't think "just move" is a good argument.
Great, now you agree on principle with the sanctity-of-lifers and are just squabbling about details of when life begins. Let the local state governments decide where to draw the line. It’s easy to go live in another state if you don’t like a state’s laws.
I don't think the state and local government should be drawing that line for people. I don't think "just move" is a good argument.
A lot of other countries already have laws in place for abortion, most more strict than a lot of US states. The line has to be drawn at some point. Allowing abortion up to 9 months isn’t popular even amongst pro choice advocates. Nearly 80% of Americans support restricting abortions after the first trimester.
I don't think the state and local government should be drawing that line for people. I don't think "just move" is a good argument.
Then don’t move. Stay in the state and try to change the minds of voters there or listen to their concerns and change your own mind. Is the only way democracy works. The senate is very unlikely to push states out of their comfort zones on this issue. They’d have done it in half a century or even before Roe if they really wanted to, you’d think.
I don't think the state and local government should be drawing that line for people. I don't think "just move" is a good argument.
A lot of other countries already have laws in place for abortion, most more strict than a lot of US states. The line has to be drawn at some point. Allowing abortion up to 9 months isn’t popular even amongst pro choice advocates. Nearly 80% of Americans support restricting abortions after the first trimester.
Let women who are miscarrying get abortions. Letting them die because they can’t pass a fetus is barbaric behavior.
And look. The far right just did the one that cast a sure-as-can-be red-wave in the fall into doubt.
These are not political masterminds at work here.
Abortion is now on the ballot in all 50 states this fall.
Anyone that is motivated to keep their state from banning women from having access to the choice of an abortion will vote Democrat across the board.
The economy will go up down. Politicians barely influence the economy. Abortion will be the biggest issue in swing voters and turnout, since we know Republicans will ban it in your locality.
If you are conservative and think most Americans agree with your view on this, then you should feel confident that Republicans will gain control.
We will see.
As it should be for matters that are not addressed by the U.S. Constitution.
Medical professionals face tough quandaries when treating patients who have a miscarriage, a scenario that could soon play out around the country if abortion restrictions tighten.
Abortion will be the biggest issue in swing voters and turnout, since we know Republicans will ban it in your locality.
You clearly don't know swing voters, or read polls. Abortion is waaaay down the list of vitally important things to address in the general voter's opinion.
The best Dems can hope for is a bump in turnout for their loyal base - but this will in no way resemble the mass mail covid voting scam they got away with in 2020, and it will probably be more than balanced out by motivated pro-lifers who will also turn out.
You have only yourselves to blame - instead of resolving the issue beyond a flimsy old court decision, you went whole hog on the extremism, matching the "begins at conception" stuff with late-term legality and federal funding. That's not how you win swing voters.
Also, turning around and talking about "bodily autonomy" after forcing experimental injections into millions of voters is a glaring irony the swing voters will see, even though you likely don't.
Abortion will be the biggest issue in swing voters and turnout, since we know Republicans will ban it in your locality.
You clearly don't know swing voters, or read polls. Abortion is waaaay down the list of vitally important things to address in the general voter's opinion.
The best Dems can hope for is a bump in turnout for their loyal base - but this will in no way resemble the mass mail covid voting scam they got away with in 2020, and it will probably be more than balanced out by motivated pro-lifers who will also turn out.
You have only yourselves to blame - instead of resolving the issue beyond a flimsy old court decision, you went whole hog on the extremism, matching the "begins at conception" stuff with late-term legality and federal funding. That's not how you win swing voters.
Also, turning around and talking about "bodily autonomy" after forcing experimental injections into millions of voters is a glaring irony the swing voters will see, even though you likely don't.
I beg to differ. My wife and I were lifelong dems who voted for trump in 2020. Never again. Especially after going through an ectopic pregnancy in a swing state.
The past 20+ years has really revealed the flaws in the American experiment, and I think it's going down the drain. The concept of the electoral college is flawed as is having two senators per state regardless of population. Now we are going back to originalism and religious fundamentalism with a packed court. We should not be in the situation.
Despite not being on the strongest legal ground (although right to privacy Should apply here), Roe mostly got it right and reaffirmed by Casey 20 years later. The right for a first trimester abortion (and certainly use of IUDs and early pregnancy pills) should be an absolute right. Now, those are pretty much out of the question in several states, with more to follow. That's not equitable, it's a tyranny of the minority.
You red-faced rightists can argue all day about late term and abortions for convenience. Take the extreme cases and blow it up and blame the other side. Use absurd rhetorical shillery to "win" an argument, but you are showing your ignorance. Pathetic cretins that you are.
You clearly don’t understand why the electoral college exists or why we have a two body legislative branch. What exactly is wrong about making sure the big states cannot bully the small ones? I’ll wait for an answer.
it is also laughable how you accuse the right of picking extreme examples when the baby killers always point to incest and rape examples.
first, eat caca and die okay? World would be a better place without you.
next, the electoral college and senatorial concepts were written as compromise to get slave owning states on board. The system is arcane and it is now allowing heavy-handed minority rule. Supreme court has worked based on some semblance of trust. That's broken. The court is all but worthless.
finally, I never said anything about rape or incest here--although indeed that should be a factor. So you are dead-asssed wrong bucko. So ES&D DSMFeR
Nor do they realize how much of the hispanic vote the dems have been losing with their progressive culture policies. They anticipated that hispanics would come in and vote dem but failed to realize that a lot of hispanic voters are socially conservative. If GOP happens to lose some swing votes, they probably more than made up for it by appealing to the socially conservative minorities. The "demography is destiny" hype seems to have left the dems hanging.
The republicans who helped craft Roe & Casey did so by recognizing constitutional rights to privacy. The current crop of repo judges say you have no such rights. So, we will see what goes next.
There simply was never any logical connection between the right to privacy and the right to abort. I have the right to privacy inside my home, but that doesn’t mean I have unrestricted freedom to do whatever I want inside my home. If abortion were legal, one could use the right to privacy to say the state can not require, say, reporting of all abortions in tax returns, but it’s just a leap of logic to say the right to privacy implies a right to abort.
It’s also funny to hear people rattle off a list like the right to privacy, bodily autonomy.. and what not. There is only a bodily autonomy argument here that at least is based on any honest logic. There is no separate right to privacy argument that makes any sense. FWIW, the constitution doesn’t protect bodily autonomy and there’s plenty of precedent for the state restricting bodily autonomy.
The right to privacy was first announced in Griswold v. Connecticut, case involving a state statute which criminalized providing contraceptives. The Court struck down the statute, holding that the right to privacy included the right to use contraceptives. Most people know that Contraception stops pregnancy before conception, and Abortion stops pregnancy after conception. Hard to imagine how any person couldn't understand that those two concepts are "logically related."
You clearly don’t understand why the electoral college exists or why we have a two body legislative branch. What exactly is wrong about making sure the big states cannot bully the small ones? I’ll wait for an answer.
it is also laughable how you accuse the right of picking extreme examples when the baby killers always point to incest and rape examples.
first, eat caca and die okay? World would be a better place without you.
next, the electoral college and senatorial concepts were written as compromise to get slave owning states on board. The system is arcane and it is now allowing heavy-handed minority rule. Supreme court has worked based on some semblance of trust. That's broken. The court is all but worthless.
finally, I never said anything about rape or incest here--although indeed that should be a factor. So you are dead-asssed wrong bucko. So ES&D DSMFeR
first, eat caca and die okay? World would be a better place without you.
next, the electoral college and senatorial concepts were written as compromise to get slave owning states on board. The system is arcane and it is now allowing heavy-handed minority rule. Supreme court has worked based on some semblance of trust. That's broken. The court is all but worthless.
finally, I never said anything about rape or incest here--although indeed that should be a factor. So you are dead-asssed wrong bucko. So ES&D DSMFeR
Read a civics book and stay classy.
Bro you just called me out for having a college degree hours ago and here you are telling people to read.
Well first off this is just another kind of virtue signaling statement poster boy decision in America… The individual state legislators control most of things like this…
i’m usually pretty conservative on how I think of things because I’m not so naïve anymore… however with things like abortion the people that don’t want abortion I guess just don’t understand how many junkies there are in America that knock up ladies and ditch their kids…. If you want conservative streets it’s contradictory to want to ban abortion…
Or they are using religion as their ideal for no abortion…. It’s good that a lot of people believe in religion because religion was created to control the masses… it’s good life lessons and virtues in Christianity for instance… but the origins of religion are a ConMan‘s game in the first place read the history of it… governments paid people to create religions… i’m on some good let’s run rants today and I hope that this proves myself and I get all the recognition
