Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Trollminator wrote:

I don't know much about this new legislation, but generally due to the supremacy clause (doctrine of pre-emption), federal laws take precedence when there is conflicting legislation. State law can be followed but federal enforcement would make the federal law prevail. I guess my initial question is whether this specific legislation is in direct conflict with an existing federal law?

I have not yet read the legislation itself, but from the descriptions in the press it seems very likely that NYS's bill is valid under the separate sovereignty (or dual sovereignty) exception to the Fifth Amendment's clause prohibiting double jeopardy.

The exception dates to the 19th century and there is a long string of precedents upholding it, most recently including Gamble v. United States, No. 17-646, 587 U.S. ___ (2019). The exception prompts continuing discussion and has raised questions from such philosophically disparate SCOTUS justices as Gorsuch, Ginsburg, and Thomas--for instance, could a person who received a federal pardon conceivably be prosecuted in each of the fifty states for the same offense?--but it seems unlikely that it will be overturned in the foreseeable future.

The descriptions of the NYS legislation that I have read indicate that it was crafted to bring it squarely within the separate sovereignty exception. And demonstrating a "nexus" between NY and a crime, especially a financial crime, is typically rather easy, given that so much financial activity takes place (at least in part) within NY.

NY will be laughing all the way to the bank when they charge back taxes & take over trump’s businesses, then put Be Best & little Barron on an allowance...

Trollminator wrote:

agip wrote:

the other point is that while the house voted for the inquiry for the Clinton impeachment...that vote took place AFTER the Star report was done and all the facts were in.

Now we don't have all the facts, so a vote is not as clearly logical. Still gathering facts.

Dems shouldn't even go there though, no good reason to. Through their greed the GOP changed the rules and now seeing karma play out. Dems need to be vicious and brutal in this game, not even giving an inch. Trump is losing his mind every single day not being able to stay ahead of the developments. Every single day he can only wait and react to the fallout. The meltdowns will worsen and he will isolate himself further.

Agreed.

Where'd the Rs go?!

Rigged? Ghost et al.? Only Sally is digging in.

Ironically, she’ll prosper with a reality show called Be Best & Barron, where she looks for love with an illegal immigrant!

Racket wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

It's very hard to paint John Bolton as part of the Deep State.

Uh, you sure about that? Bolton has been a DC swamp rat since the first Reagan administration. Remember that Trump's base is just as against "RINOs" and other Republicans they feel have betrayed them or are beholden to the status quo as they are against Democrats.

Racket you really nailed it.

Yesterday I caught up with an old college roommate. He always claimed to be a libertarian and sadly has turned into a die hard trumpanzee. I got the chance to really understand the logic behind his support and it actually really scared me. You have to understand that these people are thoroughly convinced that government is not serving the people and thus has diminished value and need. Basically they don't believe that preservation of freedom and protecting the constitution are compatible with this existing system of governance. Blended in all this is the idea that progressive movement has brain washed everyone and people no longer have the ability or desire to think for themselves... which of course benefits those in the deep state.. you get where I'm going.

Unfortunately, they have endless arguments and little bits of information to keep supporting their views. With respect to trump, basically it doesn't matter how criminal and incompetent he is because he represents friction against the system and therefore he is a champion of the people. In fact, these people are looking at the aggressive domestic and global reaction to trump as evidence of the deep state having been in control this whole time. The idea is he represents a big step in citizens taking their country back, so anyone that tries to stop him is an enemy.

You gotta let that logic sink in to really grasp how dangerous it is. My old roommate is a very articulate and well-read person. He was sitting there for 2 hours passionately lecturing me on all this... he could easily convert a gullible person (like his wife, parents and siblings). These ideas have really gone from conspiracy theorists to mainstream. I believe trump really thinks he is a victim of the deep state - I mean it fits his narrative so well and is so supportive of his ego.

To these people anyone involved in government long enough is basically a traitor. McCain, Bolton, Clinton, Obama, Romney, Bush, no difference... who cares, all part of the system.

Do not underestimate how potent these deep state ideas are and how emotionally invested people have become, a lot of people.

I forgot to add this link... apparently this is what all the trumpers are into.

https://www.jbs.org/transform-society/

Thought Trump was supposed to be arrested by now????

When is mueller going to escort trump out of the white house????

Mueller?

Mueller??

Mueller???

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

Democrats lose again!!!!

Thought trump was going to impeached and removed????

Democrats lose again!!!!!

Glad to see you managed to post from prison. Breaking laws till you can’t anymore...

Fat hurts wrote:

If American soldiers are killed trying to evacuate Syria then it's all over for Tiny's presidency.

If this happens, it will be Obama's fault. Trump is simply trying to clean up the mess Obama left behind.

Trollminator wrote:

I forgot to add this link... apparently this is what all the trumpers are into.

https://www.jbs.org/transform-society/

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Troll #3,743 wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

I forgot to add this link... apparently this is what all the trumpers are into.

https://www.jbs.org/transform-society/

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When Melania sees a little more of her baby daddy’s antics, she’s gonna promote socialized medicine. Trump men don’t age well...

Fat hurts wrote:

Racket wrote:

Uh, you sure about that? Bolton has been a DC swamp rat since the first Reagan administration. Remember that Trump's base is just as against "RINOs" and other Republicans they feel have betrayed them or are beholden to the status quo as they are against Democrats.

Uh, yes, I'm pretty sure about that.

He's been a bomb-thrower. Definitely not seen as part of the establishment.

Agree to disagree I guess

Forgotten Man wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

If American soldiers are killed trying to evacuate Syria then it's all over for Tiny's presidency.

If this happens, it will be Obama's fault. Trump is simply trying to clean up the mess Obama left behind.

And without the Iraq invasion there would be no Iraq...

And without the first Gulf War there would be no 9/11

Runningart2004 wrote:

Forgotten Man wrote:

If this happens, it will be Obama's fault. Trump is simply trying to clean up the mess Obama left behind.

And without the Iraq invasion there would be no Iraq...

And without the first Gulf War there would be no 9/11

........what?

So let me get this straight:

It's not a threat to "national security" to employ a Chinese spy, use unsecured servers, give Russia US uranium, hire Pakistanis to run your IT & fund Iran nukes.

But bringing home 28 troops from Syria and investigating Ukraine election meddling is? Our southern border needs no attention, but we must defend someone else’s border 7000 miles away?

The Dem clown show never ends.

KAG2020

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

So let me get this straight:

It's not a threat to "national security" to employ a Chinese spy, use unsecured servers, give Russia US uranium, hire Pakistanis to run your IT & fund Iran nukes.

But bringing home 28 troops from Syria and investigating Ukraine election meddling is? Our southern border needs no attention, but we must defend someone else’s border 7000 miles away?

The Dem clown show never ends.

KAG2020

You’re like a plastic bag floating around aimlessly on the highway.

You seem very rattled today.