My identical twin brother and I have decided we are going to break the record early next year.
We're going to either split the distance each day or alternate days running. Haven't decided yet. We'll post all the data each day or real time, take pics, videos, etc.. Also, we welcome anyone to join us along the way.
Observer of various things wrote:
Toe investigator wrote:Garmin watches can be synced to your private Garmin Connect account, downloaded as a TCX file, edited, and then uploaded to your public Garmin account and across to Strava. Only Garmin themselves would be able to confirm if it was uploaded manually or sync'd from the watch - it's not visible when viewing the event.
So the more we dig into this the more we seem to agree that there is no way of proving via GPS that one did a legit transcon?
You could use the GPS data to conclusively prove that someone had cheated, which is Rob's problem at the moment
stevepope wrote:
Can data be modified from a Garmin watch before it is uploaded to a site such as Strava and if so, can such modifications be detected by an expert?
I want to come up with a foolproof method of verifying an attempt. I suppose constant filming from the backup vehicle would be good but impractical, as it wouldn't always be with me.
GPS data manipulation is a very hot topic right now and we know that Rob Young's team are reading this thread. So let's not give them any help. But if you could see all the data including cadence and HR in realtime that would be a big advance on static post-attempt uploads.
The filming would have to eliminate the team re-running something on a loop though, like happens in all good bank heist movies. "Hey didn't we see that stretch of road already?".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBYINXDur-sExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Almost
http://www.everpresent.org.uk/finill.htm
Tell these blokes just to give it up...the data will just be screencaps a la the MR "proof". Physical files themselves won't be available for analysis.
Toe investigator wrote:
Seems that there's been a small change to RY's resignation post:
https://m.facebook.com/marathonmanuk/posts/1030414967042761Original:
The run had gone pretty smoothly up until Indianopolis, Indiana, where I started to experience severe pain in my right big toe and the side of my foot. An X-Ray confirmed there was a small fracture and, more importantly, an infection which is not allowed me to walk on my foot properly since. It was decided I needed to follow an aggressive course of 24 hour treatment (several antibiotics and icing) to see if that would improve things. Unfortunately it didn’t so we made the decision not to continue and still on several antibiotics.
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Now:
The run had gone pretty smoothly up until Indianopolis, Indiana, where I started to experience severe pain in my right foot toe and the side of my foot. An X-Ray confirmed there was a small fracture and, more importantly, an infection which is not allowed me to walk on my foot properly since. It was decided I needed to follow an aggressive course of 24 hour treatment (several antibiotics and icing) to see if that would improve things. Unfortunately it didn’t so we made the decision not to continue and still on several antibiotics.
Glad we cleared that up.
Did he mean to say "my right fifth toe" rather than "my right foot toe"? What the hell is a "foot toe"? It sounds like he's still trying to be elusive about which toe he broke.
I can guarantee you that since they used Fiverr or a similar site to pay for FB and Twitter followers that they are paying someone on there to manipulate the data.
stevepope wrote:
Hi my name is Steve Pope and this is my first post on Lets Run. I've never met Rob Young and hadn't heard of him before I was shown this thread by Chris Finill, with whom I ran across the USA in 2011.
I do not believe Rob's distance claims for the early part of the run, but would change my mind if presented with GPS data that backed them up along with real proof of an ability level at Ultradistance running that was on a par with what is required to carry out this feat.
Now, a question for you on this forum:
I stopped running ultras after 2011 to concentrate on the shorter distances, but I must confess that this fascinating thread has got me interested in trying for a fast Trans America crossing before I get too old. What is the level of proof that I should aim for?
Well done to all of you for your hard work in exposing a fraud, by the way.
He already did it in 2011.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8kTiR346NkWhat if?? wrote:
What if RY posts all his GPS, tracking, HR, cadence data etc and it appears legit with no possible way to manipulate?
Would this be enough to exonerate him?
Or is there too much other evidence from Asher, turtle geezers to prove his guilt?
I don't think it's possible submit credible evidence for the time, distance, and route the day the RV broke down. If he somehow gets by that hurdle. I'll need to know how he avoided getting sunburn in the desert, than got roasted in the midwest.
stevepope wrote:
Can data be modified from a Garmin watch before it is uploaded to a site such as Strava and if so, can such modifications be detected by an expert?
I want to come up with a foolproof method of verifying an attempt. I suppose constant filming from the backup vehicle would be good but impractical, as it wouldn't always be with me.
Can I make a request?
Please do not use a GPS watch, put a real time tracker on your support vehicle, and cheat.
The last couple weeks have been fun, I want to do it again.
Markus wrote:
not a walker wrote:So how does this Sri Chimnoy 3100 mile race compare to the transcon. Some Swede won SC3100 last year in 40 days 9 hours. Averaged 76 mpd. But that's a very controlled environment, circling a 6/10 mile city block. No hills or mountains or desert.
http://3100.srichinmoyraces.org/ashprihanal-aalto-wins-3100-mile-race-record-timeThat's jog/walking 4.5 to 5 mph for 16 hours a day. Or 12:00 to 13:20 mile pace. For runners, that sounds easy except for the cumulative effect of little recovery time for 6 straight weeks. Then it's not easy.
Well Asprihanal Aalto is actually from Finland. An average of 76.776 miles/day is a LOT. And most people, even ultrarunners can't comprehend what that means. I think I counted 9 3100 mile winners who had more than 70 miles/day since 1997.
A run on the open roads is a lot harder. I would think you can take of at least 10% of the loop performance. Support logistics are way more complicated and take up way more time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashprihanal_Pekka_Aaltohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Transcendence_3100_Mile_Race
If it's a self transcendence race, what is driving the forward movement of the ego?
Observer of various things wrote:
Toe investigator wrote:Garmin watches can be synced to your private Garmin Connect account, downloaded as a TCX file, edited, and then uploaded to your public Garmin account and across to Strava. Only Garmin themselves would be able to confirm if it was uploaded manually or sync'd from the watch - it's not visible when viewing the event.
So the more we dig into this the more we seem to agree that there is no way of proving via GPS that one did a legit transcon?
Not at this point. No matter what he offers up at this point, the pack of jackals will devour it.
The problem is that the missing data are really damaging and serve as a lightning rod... but there are 100 other things (see the spreadsheet and other places) about his story that raise red flags. Enough red flags and everything comes into question. And what data he HAS released, via the fun method of "screenshots" already busts him. At least for that day in the desert.
All that aside, I just want to know what magic sunscreen and/or Skins-wear he used from California to Missouri and why he unfortunately ran out of it exactly when joined by the geezers.
And maybe just maybe if he hadn't had that game of football, his foot would be ok.
What would be more credible evidence. Cadence data or HR data. If someone could only record one.
Today's post from Jamie Fuller, SKINS chairman.
"WHEN A SPORT DOESN’T VALUE ITS CULTURE"
http://watercooler.skins.net/2016/06/21/when-a-sport-doesnt-value-its-culture/
From earlier in the thread i remember reading about tomtom vs garmin accounts and uploading to strava:
They (tomtom) have a proprietary file format called ttbin and you can't upload files manually to the site only off your device which you can't write to. There is a ttbin reader/converter on the net but that wouldn't gain you anything you couldn't do by download and editing off TomTom.
LRC visitor wrote:
I have the same TomTom watch as RY does and did some digging around a bit under the hood when I first got it. It appears to be quite hard to interfere with compared with a Garmin before it hits the TomTom mysports site - you can't access the watch storage like a Garmin and you can't do manual uploads of files to the site either. There is an option to make TT sessions viewable to the public. So big fan of Strava though I am, it is arguably a safer bet to try to persuade him to just provide viewable public links to the TT site. I would place more confidence in what we see. Once it has been downloaded into a gpx/fit file it is easily fiddled with before reappearing on Strava. Unless someone stands over them to make sure it goes straight from one to the other.
So at this point, anything appearing on strava is suspect. We need direct links to his tomtom account. Won't happen.
Not inspired wrote:
Today's post from Jamie Fuller, SKINS chairman.
"WHEN A SPORT DOESN’T VALUE ITS CULTURE"
http://watercooler.skins.net/2016/06/21/when-a-sport-doesnt-value-its-culture/
" Discipline, self-regulation, integrity, respect for the rules. It helps set golf apart from other sports. A bit like the SKINS brand!"
Not inspired wrote:
Today's post from Jamie Fuller, SKINS chairman.
"WHEN A SPORT DOESN’T VALUE ITS CULTURE"
http://watercooler.skins.net/2016/06/21/when-a-sport-doesnt-value-its-culture/
That MrFuller is full of it and was a huge nuisance in the late LanceArmstrong days.
Phil Knight wrote:
Surely this has been posted earlier, but just in case, it seems that his fundraising page suggested that his effort has yielded only £490.04 in donations?
This is the link from his website if you want to make a donation.
http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/fundraiser-web/fundraiser/showFundraiserPage.action?userUrl=runfordreamscometrueandnspcc&pageUrl=3I also swore that his website had 3 charities listed earlier. It now only points to Dreams Come True.
I saw this posted. We all know Lisa Smith Batchen is just as dodgy as him - - -
"Support Endurance Sports & Fitness Magazine. Until July 1,2016 we are giving proceeds to the Tyler Robinson Foundation in honor of Lisa Smith Batchen and Robert HP Young who are raising awareness for Children's cancer."
http://shopendurancesportsandfitness.com/products/endurance-sports-fitnessFOIA is your friend wrote:
investigator wrote:Has anyone thought to look for other surveillance video? Do any traffic cams store archives online? We should look at the times of his suspiciously fast runs (for example early morning hours of 5/29 - row 100:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DtGrPEckX8y-2-zAFwUgzqCo4HYwUctZNOKDLbYD4Vk/edit#gid=130386114). Blog says he started out of White Rock, CO that night. His website shows his route as going though 3rd St. in La Junta. A couple banks on that street. They'd have video, right? Not sure I got this analysis right but its just an example.
I have applied for 27 FOIA requests for traffic can footage along the route. Once all or most come in, I'm going to match them up with the tracking data and publish the results. I also will try to get police car recordings as well since Young said he had escorts part of his run. I haven't been able to find out where though so I haven't been able to make any requests. If anyone knows where he got escorts let me know so I can get the car cam footage. It would be invaluable since it would record a lot longer than traffic cams.
Any update?
Jack Rossi wrote:
FOIA is your friend wrote:I have applied for 27 FOIA requests for traffic can footage along the route. Once all or most come in, I'm going to match them up with the tracking data and publish the results. I also will try to get police car recordings as well since Young said he had escorts part of his run. I haven't been able to find out where though so I haven't been able to make any requests. If anyone knows where he got escorts let me know so I can get the car cam footage. It would be invaluable since it would record a lot longer than traffic cams.
Any update?
Yes, he's on pace to pass your Dad for most posts ever in a thread by next month at this rate.