OFFICIAL LRC President Donald Trump SECOND TERM Thread

trump2028. wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

You bring up an interesting, if horribly cruel question: to what extent should children be burdened by the crimes of their parents? If a child is born to two American career criminal parents, should that child be a US citizen, given their likelihood of also becoming a criminal or general blight on society? Since we’re now determining citizenship by an individual’s usefulness, as determined by you. Why not withhold US citizenship from that newborn and ship it off to CECOT? You also offer no data to support your prejudiced claims and, even if the trends are true, when did we start giving out rights from statistical trends? Poor people are more likely to commit violent crimes, thus we should strip citizenship and deport all poor people. That’s your thinking here.

What you’re failing to understand is that this isn’t about welfare. The MAGA candidates you support want to end that for poor Americans, too. This is about creating a permanent underclass of people in the US who can’t vote, have no rights and can be exploited on threat of expulsion at any time and whose children will also have that same dire status. A perfect example of this is that couple in Maryland who had half a dozen illegal immigrants from Guatemala do $10,000 worth of home improvements to their house and then called ICE on them right after they finished the job to avoid paying for the job. You probably think that was a brilliant move, why not take advantage of people in dire circumstances for your own benefit?

Trump’s not going to get there on this one. The 14th Amendment is too plainly written and “subject to the jurisdiction of” has been so clearly understood for over a century, I think this ends up being a 7-2 loss for the administration. When do you want to start impeachment proceedings on ACB, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh when they rule against Trump on this one?

Every country has jus sanguinis and, by definition, every country will have people who are below median income. I think it's a bad thing for society that birth has basically "flipped" from the past – in the past it'd be richer and more intelligent people who have more kids, but now it's the polar opposite. Elon is a massive exception to the rule but he's only one man. The national IQ has steadily been dropping

Also, the national debt is a serious issue. If we don't give citizenship to non-citizens who almost certainly will be on welfare, we can reduce the deficit greatly – and that can result in reducing the debt, or at least lowering its rate of increase.

Tweet:x.com/MengHu13/status/1990454569336488...

trump2028. wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

You bring up an interesting, if horribly cruel question: to what extent should children be burdened by the crimes of their parents? If a child is born to two American career criminal parents, should that child be a US citizen, given their likelihood of also becoming a criminal or general blight on society? Since we’re now determining citizenship by an individual’s usefulness, as determined by you. Why not withhold US citizenship from that newborn and ship it off to CECOT? You also offer no data to support your prejudiced claims and, even if the trends are true, when did we start giving out rights from statistical trends? Poor people are more likely to commit violent crimes, thus we should strip citizenship and deport all poor people. That’s your thinking here.

What you’re failing to understand is that this isn’t about welfare. The MAGA candidates you support want to end that for poor Americans, too. This is about creating a permanent underclass of people in the US who can’t vote, have no rights and can be exploited on threat of expulsion at any time and whose children will also have that same dire status. A perfect example of this is that couple in Maryland who had half a dozen illegal immigrants from Guatemala do $10,000 worth of home improvements to their house and then called ICE on them right after they finished the job to avoid paying for the job. You probably think that was a brilliant move, why not take advantage of people in dire circumstances for your own benefit?

Trump’s not going to get there on this one. The 14th Amendment is too plainly written and “subject to the jurisdiction of” has been so clearly understood for over a century, I think this ends up being a 7-2 loss for the administration. When do you want to start impeachment proceedings on ACB, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh when they rule against Trump on this one?

Every country has jus sanguinis and, by definition, every country will have people who are below median income. I think it's a bad thing for society that birth has basically "flipped" from the past – in the past it'd be richer and more intelligent people who have more kids, but now it's the polar opposite. Elon is a massive exception to the rule but he's only one man. The national IQ has steadily been dropping

Also, the national debt is a serious issue. If we don't give citizenship to non-citizens who almost certainly will be on welfare, we can reduce the deficit greatly – and that can result in reducing the debt, or at least lowering its rate of increase.

Tweet:x.com/MengHu13/status/1990454569336488...

trump2028. wrote:

The Imperative Voice Real13 wrote:

dude, i could say that about white folks in the ozarks. i grew up where it was 95% white. there were still crimes and stupid people. quit being a racist.

you're also making Bell Curve type arguments where we assume dumb parents = dumb kids. my parents didn't graduate college and lived in the cheapest subdivision in our suburb. my brother and i graduated college with honors. you're making a false assumption.

last, you're selling the bs where well educated people from mixed economies with social safety nets would even want to move here for any reason other than making money. personally i see the far bigger problem right now as loyalty and narrowly coming here for cash.

Again. Every country has citizenship by blood. That's how it should be. If and only if your parents are citizens (or legal permanent residents), you should be a citizen by birth.

trump2028. wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

You bring up an interesting, if horribly cruel question: to what extent should children be burdened by the crimes of their parents? If a child is born to two American career criminal parents, should that child be a US citizen, given their likelihood of also becoming a criminal or general blight on society? Since we’re now determining citizenship by an individual’s usefulness, as determined by you. Why not withhold US citizenship from that newborn and ship it off to CECOT? You also offer no data to support your prejudiced claims and, even if the trends are true, when did we start giving out rights from statistical trends? Poor people are more likely to commit violent crimes, thus we should strip citizenship and deport all poor people. That’s your thinking here.

What you’re failing to understand is that this isn’t about welfare. The MAGA candidates you support want to end that for poor Americans, too. This is about creating a permanent underclass of people in the US who can’t vote, have no rights and can be exploited on threat of expulsion at any time and whose children will also have that same dire status. A perfect example of this is that couple in Maryland who had half a dozen illegal immigrants from Guatemala do $10,000 worth of home improvements to their house and then called ICE on them right after they finished the job to avoid paying for the job. You probably think that was a brilliant move, why not take advantage of people in dire circumstances for your own benefit?

Trump’s not going to get there on this one. The 14th Amendment is too plainly written and “subject to the jurisdiction of” has been so clearly understood for over a century, I think this ends up being a 7-2 loss for the administration. When do you want to start impeachment proceedings on ACB, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh when they rule against Trump on this one?

Every country has jus sanguinis and, by definition, every country will have people who are below median income. I think it's a bad thing for society that birth has basically "flipped" from the past – in the past it'd be richer and more intelligent people who have more kids, but now it's the polar opposite. Elon is a massive exception to the rule but he's only one man. The national IQ has steadily been dropping

Also, the national debt is a serious issue. If we don't give citizenship to non-citizens who almost certainly will be on welfare, we can reduce the deficit greatly – and that can result in reducing the debt, or at least lowering its rate of increase.

Tweet:x.com/MengHu13/status/1990454569336488...

trump2028. wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

You bring up an interesting, if horribly cruel question: to what extent should children be burdened by the crimes of their parents? If a child is born to two American career criminal parents, should that child be a US citizen, given their likelihood of also becoming a criminal or general blight on society? Since we’re now determining citizenship by an individual’s usefulness, as determined by you. Why not withhold US citizenship from that newborn and ship it off to CECOT? You also offer no data to support your prejudiced claims and, even if the trends are true, when did we start giving out rights from statistical trends? Poor people are more likely to commit violent crimes, thus we should strip citizenship and deport all poor people. That’s your thinking here.

What you’re failing to understand is that this isn’t about welfare. The MAGA candidates you support want to end that for poor Americans, too. This is about creating a permanent underclass of people in the US who can’t vote, have no rights and can be exploited on threat of expulsion at any time and whose children will also have that same dire status. A perfect example of this is that couple in Maryland who had half a dozen illegal immigrants from Guatemala do $10,000 worth of home improvements to their house and then called ICE on them right after they finished the job to avoid paying for the job. You probably think that was a brilliant move, why not take advantage of people in dire circumstances for your own benefit?

Trump’s not going to get there on this one. The 14th Amendment is too plainly written and “subject to the jurisdiction of” has been so clearly understood for over a century, I think this ends up being a 7-2 loss for the administration. When do you want to start impeachment proceedings on ACB, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh when they rule against Trump on this one?

Every country has jus sanguinis and, by definition, every country will have people who are below median income. I think it's a bad thing for society that birth has basically "flipped" from the past – in the past it'd be richer and more intelligent people who have more kids, but now it's the polar opposite. Elon is a massive exception to the rule but he's only one man. The national IQ has steadily been dropping

Also, the national debt is a serious issue. If we don't give citizenship to non-citizens who almost certainly will be on welfare, we can reduce the deficit greatly – and that can result in reducing the debt, or at least lowering its rate of increase.

Tweet:x.com/MengHu13/status/1990454569336488...

Jeff Wigand wrote:

trump2028. wrote:

Every country has jus sanguinis and, by definition, every country will have people who are below median income. I think it's a bad thing for society that birth has basically "flipped" from the past – in the past it'd be richer and more intelligent people who have more kids, but now it's the polar opposite. Elon is a massive exception to the rule but he's only one man. The national IQ has steadily been dropping

Also, the national debt is a serious issue. If we don't give citizenship to non-citizens who almost certainly will be on welfare, we can reduce the deficit greatly – and that can result in reducing the debt, or at least lowering its rate of increase.

Tweet:x.com/MengHu13/status/1990454569336488...

I don’t think you have data to support those claims, apart from the current trend of the more educated having smaller families.

More US citizens means more US taxpayers, no matter where they live.

trump2028. wrote:

The Imperative Voice Real13 wrote:

dude, i could say that about white folks in the ozarks. i grew up where it was 95% white. there were still crimes and stupid people. quit being a racist.

you're also making Bell Curve type arguments where we assume dumb parents = dumb kids. my parents didn't graduate college and lived in the cheapest subdivision in our suburb. my brother and i graduated college with honors. you're making a false assumption.

last, you're selling the bs where well educated people from mixed economies with social safety nets would even want to move here for any reason other than making money. personally i see the far bigger problem right now as loyalty and narrowly coming here for cash.

Again. Every country has citizenship by blood. That's how it should be. If and only if your parents are citizens (or legal permanent residents), you should be a citizen by birth.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

trump2028. wrote:

Why should we want the kids of poor illegals to become citizens? They'll likely collect a ton of welfare and be a net drain on the country's finances.

I'm not saying that all immigration should be the "Trump gold card" but it should be almost exclusively based on skills or wealth.

You bring up an interesting, if horribly cruel question: to what extent should children be burdened by the crimes of their parents? If a child is born to two American career criminal parents, should that child be a US citizen, given their likelihood of also becoming a criminal or general blight on society? Since we’re now determining citizenship by an individual’s usefulness, as determined by you. Why not withhold US citizenship from that newborn and ship it off to CECOT? You also offer no data to support your prejudiced claims and, even if the trends are true, when did we start giving out rights from statistical trends? Poor people are more likely to commit violent crimes, thus we should strip citizenship and deport all poor people. That’s your thinking here.

What you’re failing to understand is that this isn’t about welfare. The MAGA candidates you support want to end that for poor Americans, too. This is about creating a permanent underclass of people in the US who can’t vote, have no rights and can be exploited on threat of expulsion at any time and whose children will also have that same dire status. A perfect example of this is that couple in Maryland who had half a dozen illegal immigrants from Guatemala do $10,000 worth of home improvements to their house and then called ICE on them right after they finished the job to avoid paying for the job. You probably think that was a brilliant move, why not take advantage of people in dire circumstances for your own benefit?

Trump’s not going to get there on this one. The 14th Amendment is too plainly written and “subject to the jurisdiction of” has been so clearly understood for over a century, I think this ends up being a 7-2 loss for the administration. When do you want to start impeachment proceedings on ACB, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh when they rule against Trump on this one?

ExTribeRunner wrote:

trump2028. wrote:

Every country has jus sanguinis and, by definition, every country will have people who are below median income. I think it's a bad thing for society that birth has basically "flipped" from the past – in the past it'd be richer and more intelligent people who have more kids, but now it's the polar opposite. Elon is a massive exception to the rule but he's only one man. The national IQ has steadily been dropping

Also, the national debt is a serious issue. If we don't give citizenship to non-citizens who almost certainly will be on welfare, we can reduce the deficit greatly – and that can result in reducing the debt, or at least lowering its rate of increase.

Tweet:x.com/MengHu13/status/1990454569336488...

So we should be granting children citizenship based on the wealth and intelligence of their parents, regardless of their parents' citizenship or immigration status?