Official US-Israel-Iran War Thread

Attacks by mostly peaceful Iran and its proxies:

whitehouse.gov

The Iranian Regime’s Decades of Terrorism Against American Citizens

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For nearly half a century, the Islamic Republic of Iran — the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism — has killed and maimed American citizens and

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you're confusing a history book with a causus bellum.

so they're saying if someone else punched them, they might punch us, ergo we're in imminent threat of getting punched?

and then it's nazi-type stuff to be invoking american citizens living abroad as a war cause, when you don't say they had a reason to be scared before now. like you're saying anywhere an american is, is our national interest.

bull. they don't have nukes. they don't have the ability to deliver a missile to any part of america. they seemed to have backed off state sponsoring terrorism which could involve american ships or facilities, or tourists or embassy people abroad.

beyond that, trump swears we aren't into regime change and nation building, so some sort of human rights thing is out the window. they killed a lot of protesters. we did not protect them.

no, at this point it's either some classified terrorism threat or this absurd "swear you won't get nukes in the future" thing.

or, that israel wants to turn chunks of iran into rubble to send the same message as gaza.

i struggle to see where anything but an imminent homeland threat, or threat to US military or embassies abroad, justifies any of this.

i can see where israel might want to see its regional rival rendered toothless by kicking iran another 20 times while it's already weakened. and i can see how they might lack the forces to do that like we could.

i also think that explains why we struggle to explain anything on our own, and why israel has a clear explanation. iran is an existential threat to them. but we have historically drawn a line on equating our interests with theirs. we will resupply them. we will provide them intelligence. but they can risk the regional war for their own safety.

what i mean by the nazi thing is the nazi era germans used to justify invading france or poland or the czechs by saying that they were there to protect ethnic germans living in the other country. russia has done the same thing in ukraine. and you see it's a pretext when they keep on going to paris or towards kiev.

we aren't putting boots on the ground to corral and extract to safety our nationals. we're bombing iran -- and likely conducting special operations quietly -- for abstract reasons with nothing to do with securing the safety of our people. if anything their risk level went up when iran began retaliating.

you blew up their practical ability to make nukes. end of threat.

and aren't you, beyond that, the "it would just be a rule on a piece of paper" folks? we can't do gun control because it "doesn't end murder."

setting aside what good is a promise to not do nukes in 10, 20, 50 years. do you have a time machine?

it's worse than iraq. iraq was at least, in theory, about current WMD. we're not even pretending new WMD exists.

i say that, but it's like iraq in a neocon sense. someone had a hard-on. someone came up with an excuse to use it. the neocons were writing books saying finish iraq off, before 9/11 happened.

Abstract reasons? Wow! You're probably not dumb just disingenuous.

did you not live the iraq or afghan wars? same reason they're not sticking their tanks out in the open for set piece battles. this would be fought guerrilla style. you let us win. you wait for boots to show up. you ambush the boots.

It's Operation Epstein Files and you effing know it. Watching MAGAts twist themselves in knots would be hilarious if we didn't have an utterly insane maniac and his incompetent band of religious fanatics dragging us into another Iran quagmire. What this exposes us to more than anything is another 9/11 type attack, which the dictator in chief would just love as an excuse to further erode our rights.

There is a very special place in hell awaiting this MF and anyone who supports him.

the nukes were supposedly wrecked. we haven't been hearing about terror attacks on either israel or us in the middle east.

at that point, end of concrete problem. that they might reconstitute nukes in the future is "abstract."

i could understand us awaiting the first excuse we got, a terror attack by hezbollah that killed an american. "well, obviously, you didn't learn your lesson, and need further spanking." i could understand a new nukes facility elsewhere.

you don't usually start a war over the failure to get a peace treaty instead of just stopping fighting.

if i wanted to be snippy, it's donald's fault he didn't get what he wanted before stopping last time.

look, I'm not defending the war.

But for 30 years the main struggle against Iran has been about their drive for nukes. Period.

Weird of you not to recognize that.

How is it possible you don't understand that despite the JCPOA and all the other diplomatic efforts to stop Iran from getting nukes?

If Iran had given up its nuclear program, it sure would not have been bombed this week.

This 'the war is mainly to defend Israel' is poppycock and anti-semitic.

kind of. i think the better example of that is his tariffs. i am not sure we can afford to refund the illegal tariffs without financial issues. what trump does is take risks whose downsides he cannot afford.

Uh, you really don't think that Israel has a desire to keep Iran from having nukes?

Do you realize that the main utility of nukes is strategic?

Do you believe Israel should have nukes?

If so, why don't you think Iran should have them too?

You sound like a religious fanatic